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aflegg 2007-09-30 16:37
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
OK, I see how XMLTV works in VideoCenter now. Interesting; but still not a fan of Yet Another Nokia UI.

Anyway, the URL I gave above works perfectly and displays UK programme information ("Remote EPG" VideoCenter calls it) within it.

unique311 2007-09-30 16:37
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 78603)
I've installed VideoCenter but not really used it as it's yet-another distinct UI from Nokia with no clear instructions and no choice for changing where it looked for videos. It also didn't pick up all the videos I already had, so wasn't exactly clear on what it should be doing.

Someone'll need to explain to me better what VideoCenter does with XMLTV files. It's a file format for describing what's on TV channels, does VideoCenter double up as a listings app?

Anyway, you can get uncompressed XMLTV files from my "bulk" download service using a URL like:

http://www.bleb.org/tv/data/listings...XMLTV&file=txt

If VideoCenter still doesn't work with that, raise it on the mailing list:

http://www.bleb.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tvdevel

More info at: http://www.bleb.org/tv/data/listings?help

Cheers,

Andrew

PS. Top tip for both here and on the garage thread; perhaps emailing me would've been a useful way of getting XMLTV output which worked with VideoCenter? ;-)

Wow, cool.
didn't know you were the admin.
going to give the uncompressed xml a try in video center and post findings.

unique311 2007-09-30 16:45
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 78607)
OK, I see how XMLTV works in VideoCenter now. Interesting; but still not a fan of Yet Another Nokia UI.

Anyway, the URL I gave above works perfectly and displays UK programme information ("Remote EPG" VideoCenter calls it) within it.
works here also....
can you make a guide for the guy that owns livetv.ws....

getting stream uri's not availble for both channels.
but it at least shows up...

The UI does suck..

luca 2007-09-30 17:51
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 78607)
OK, I see how XMLTV works in VideoCenter now. Interesting; but still not a fan of Yet Another Nokia UI.

Anyway, the URL I gave above works perfectly and displays UK programme information ("Remote EPG" VideoCenter calls it) within it.
Interesting, I didn't even see the remote epg section. Now, if it allowed to embed an url in the epg and by clicking it tried to stream from it (or schedule a timer if it is in the future), it could be a pretty interface for vdr live tv viewing (with a suitable plugin to spit out vdr's epg in xml and streamdev-server).
Or maybe the poor n800 would be overwhelmed with many thousands channels ;-)

unique311 2007-09-30 18:05
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
So right now as it stands, the xmltv links from aflegg site only shows tv listing.
I don't follow the remote epg thing!!!

aflegg 2007-09-30 18:36
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
VideoCenter supports showing listings using XMLTV. It calls this Remote EPG.

There is no facility in XMLTV, nor in my listings, to provide any form of streaming - either technically or legally.

bunanson 2007-09-30 18:41
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck (Post 78553)
I find watching flash youtube in the browser poor - too jerky, too slow. Watching youtube via UKTUBE/MPlayer is PERFECT however! Really good job by the developer. Take a look at it. If you can format your tv streams to be compatible with this program, that would be great. Can't help you with specs - try getting in contact with UKTUBE creator Urho Konttori. All we need is a plain text list of the links to paste into UKTUBE.
Love to watch your site with my N800. Good idea ..:

There is a difference between streaming and dl. UKMP/UKTube is a good idea for a last resort AND a small youtube file, but not practical for a 200 - 300 MB media file of a 15 min TV program, I trired to explain the difference,


[QUOTE Just to make sure i am not confusing anybody. Streaming video means video starts to play almost right away after a few seconds click on the media, similar to waiting for a browser page to load, this includes files as big as 300 Mb, and it does NOT leave a copy on your device after finishing watching. While, dl means one has to wait for the whole file to finish dl to your device and then able to watch, a small file like 10 MB will usually wait around 5 min to finish dl and the button changed from a white 'Download' to a green 'Play'. I usually click 2 to 3 files for dl altogether. Sometimes all 3 dl finish, sometimes 3 files dl sent the 770 to twilight zone, never have problem with 2 files dl. QUOTE]

bun

luca 2007-09-30 20:09
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 78633)
There is no facility in XMLTV, nor in my listings, to provide any form of streaming - either technically or legally.
Oh, I didn't express myself clearly: I wasn't asking for you to embed streaming information in your listing (which I reckon it would be impossible), but to generate my own xmltv listing from my own vdr machine to stream live tv, again, from my own vdr machine.
Now, if there's no way to do that, I don't really see the meaning of remote epg, ok, the listing is cute and the reminder could be useful, but if it's impossible to use it to program real timers and/or to stream its usefulness is limited.

aflegg 2007-10-01 09:28
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Theoretically you could combine an XMLTV data source with a VDR/MythTV/Freevo/video archive to use XMLTV as an index in some new format.

What'd be better, given VDR/MythTV/Freevo/video archives have additional meta-data anyway is expose a listing of those in some HTTP-based XML protocol, possibly RSS. This could well be the "Internet TV" that's mentioned in VideoCenter.

It'd still need a transcoding solution at the backend, though.

With some more information on what these data sources in VideoCenter are, however, it could be very possible to use VideoCenter as the tablet-based UI to an on-demand transcoding solution, using something like 770-encode at the backend.

Very simple (and powerful) indeed... hmm.

luca 2007-10-01 10:14
Re: Watch Live TV on N800
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 78748)
It'd still need a transcoding solution at the backend, though.
streamdev-server (vdr plugin) already does it for live tv: if you use the url, e.g., http://vdr:3000/Extern/5, it will pipe channel 5 to an external remuxer of your choice (usually a script to call mencoder with suitable parameters) and stream it to you.
Note that you can also open in a browser http://vdr:3000/Extern/channels.html and you'll get a clickable list of channels.
What's missing (or maybe it already exists, I don't know) is a plugin to convert vdr epg to xmltv (and in a suitable format for videocenter) and a solution for recordings.


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