Post editing by moderators with no notification
 

I just found out that one of the moderators (jalyst) simply modified (at least 2nd time of those i know of) my post. If first tiem we had an argue over private chat before and even if if i did not really agree with him i somehow can understand the reason there.
But last post he edited with no notifications, and though the text inside quote that was changed and not my answer itself, i don't think it's acceptable. As it's starts here and you never know where it ends. Maybe intentions were good, but still it's not very democratic and reasonable that moderator who even doesn't own the site (it's not private or personal site) just simply decide to change someone's post without notification? It doesn't matter what intentions are (as point of view can differ from one person to another).

First of all it's my post and this is public forum and no admin or moderator can simply change it if it's not direct insult or/and spam, not allowed words. In other cases it would be logical that moderator at least contact the person and give him a chance to do it himself or to discuss the matter(in our world the judges need to prove the guilt and not opposite). Or the most least thing is to add edit reason for edit, as there was no reason as well!



P.S. Please do not answer that mods are volunteers, this is excuse and not the reason to do such things. Being a moderator(and i had exp in this) is duty and not the power and abuse of it, doesn't matter if you get paid for it or not!

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I think it is reasonable to ask that a notice is left whenever a Mod alters a post. Authorship otherwise becomes clouded.

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I have stopped counting how many times that has happened. To me as well as to others. And yes, it is always the same moderator. I have also expressed my concerns about that a number of times (example, another one...), but nothing has happened as a result. I have even emailed the Council to ask them to comment and was told, in no unclear and, frankly, quite rude terms, to shut up and mind my own business.

Deleting posts a random moderator happens to not like or moving them to Off-Topic in bad enough but editing quoted lines is downright unacceptable.

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Really? I am pretty sure council did no such thing.
I'll have to check that when I get back home...


I agree, that is not allowed. Even when the message is rude and personal the moderator should always inform the author on edits.

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Not the whole Council. Only one member. Possibly not even a Councillor. The whole Council politics are too complicated for a mere simpleton like me to understand. Which is why I stepped down from my mistakenly accepted candidacy and promise to never run again.

I now went back to read that reply again and, admittedly, it could be read in more than one way. It's just that at the time it sounded a bit... dicouraging.

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ZogG, after the first argument between you and jalyst I have spoken to him, so in the future he should add editorial notes if he does edit posts - if on the other hand a post is rude or reported, you better do not start a fight about a silent edit, rules actually have infraction points for you so if a moderator removes "bad" stuff without further notice and you did not get any points either, why bother? We are or at least should be grown up enough to admit to our own mistakes. If you supply links to the current situation I will have a look though.

Pichlo, iirc you have been complaining about such unnotified edit and while I understand that you want an explanation, the same rules apply to you, having a dirty mouth and getting edited because you get reported and do not get any infraction points for it should teach you a lesson. Bluntly my reply to your inquiry can be read as "shut up", yes, if you want to. I wasn't council and I find it offensive to go up the food chain without talking to me first. I took it first of all as a personal insult. I do not have hard feelings though. Never the less you are here again bloating about it. I have explained every detail there is, if you are still unhappy, so be it, that is what moderation looks like, you make a mistake, you get moderated - I will personally take care that the next time you get your explanation and your infraction points and no more silent edits - if you don't want special treatment that way let me know and we call this the year of moderation and I will take care that any moderation has its points applied to the users - just kidding, hope you get it now.

For both of you, if jalyst plays up, let me know!

Jalyst while you are here, you may explain yourself...

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Just to make you aware, I edited your post with a few spaces at the end, the edit is clearly marked with timestamp and mods name

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I'm really disappointed at the attempts to character assassinate here, I'm genuinely trying to do my job, nothing more & nothing less. I can't constantly waste huge amts of time on this sort of thing, this is the explanation I gave ZoGg, outraged again at TMO's bias against him (yes he's said that sort of thing quite a few times -not my words):

At no time have I been biased, I have only ever tried to ensure that the rules aren't being bent -too much. My conscience is clear, I know I did the right thing, like anyone though I'll sometimes make mistakes. As you've seen in our convo above, I'll try not to forget adding a clear explanation for every single post edit, if/when they're done.

The suggestion by some here (well, one really) that I'm behind every single poor mod decision (IYO) that's occurred, is just downright wrong, misleading, & extremely offensive. Please by all means some of you suggest a motion to have me expelled, if you think that's the fair & reasonable thing to do, it'll certainly give me quite a bit more free time.

Maybe one of you feel you can do a vastly better job*, based on your idealisation on how moderation should be done, & perhaps you really can. I very much doubt that though, as I take the responsibility very seriously (as one should), & usually ponder every single decision once & then several times. Amongst that I'll occasionally "err", I'm human. This is all I'm going to say, not subscribing to this thread, I honestly can't afford to waste one more minute on this, I'm sorry.

Have a good day.
*assuming you realise all the extra running around it can often entail

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Yeah I found the posts already, please refrain from editing non offensive language, "naive fantasists" isn't hard language. Correcting spelling mistakes ok, I can even live with replacing google with android, but rephrasing whole sentences is not part of your job description - that was off limits. Especially when you just correct spelling, that is oddly strange to people not having an edit note, keep it short though [spelling,language,missing link] like notes.
So please limit your edits to stuff like that, don't rephrase whole sentences for people (ignore that for obviously foreign speakers where you get the context but the phrases are just wrong - still note "rephrased" please). Less is sometimes more.

So as this was about a strange edit matrix and not even about language stuff - please keep in mind that jalyst is just trying to help out. A tad overambitious but I hope we got that sorted.

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It is in the context of what other users had posted, calling them "naive fantasists" is pretty clearly insulting language IMHO, there was a tiny bit more, but I can't recall it OTTOMH. Regardless, I only very mildly edited it, the entire meaning & all of the points he was conveying remained, almost all of the original sentence structure remained too.* I also included an explanation, but later he edited it, so that went away. Only the aggressiveness was toned down, so folks were still able to engage in a debate about the points he'd made, as evidenced by subsequent posts.

ZogG's post was edited because he quoted the amended post, I forgot to explain in his post why it was amended, or rather I (mistakenly) assumed it'd be obvious, I didn't touch the body of his post -just the quote. As explained I can't afford to be partaking in this any more, so this is my last post or read of this thread, someone else by all means raise your hand to take-over. If Chemist or Council feels you're better suited, or that it's simply time for a mod cycle (maybe that's a good idea?), then I'm happy to stand down.

Bed-Time/Good Night,
*though it changed a tiny bit more -as he edited it later

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Thanks, I saw that - I really meant a reason along with the edit notice, given as one or two words.

I completely accept jalyst's good intentions and expressly thank him for his interest and motivation.

And in principle, I agree with him regarding unnecessary levels of aggression and hostility - I wish it would vanish but sadly, it will not.

Providing a reason for an edit will go some way to helping.

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Welllll...I think for clarity's sake.
So no one feels like they are being over-moderated (whether that is the case or not) and feel offended...
nor moderators feel slighted or hurt by the comments thereby....
[And I really hate the thought anyone I like here...moderator or poster or both... being upset.]

I think that whether it is accidental omission or kindness on the part of the moderator not to inflict infractions here ...it doesn't matter ..it is an unfair tarring of the moderator as a consequence.
Likewise posters end up equally dismayed...
So to make things absolutely crystal..
I think concerning what chemist was mentioning...he has it right.
"By-the-Book" is the way to go...
I think it truly saves hurt feelings..
and it makes the posters responsible for what they write...which is ultimately what the posters are stating that they wish. [It's just that everyone want's to feel a greater responsibility ...without the infractions of course.. eh? am I right or am I right? :D]
So yeah...By-the-Book...I think is the best way to go...

[watch me get a pile of infractions now..for stuff that has been quietly and patiently edited by others....make my glove box fulla speeding tickets look like a joke :D]

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Here is what I would do if I were a moderator.

First of all, no silent edits/deletes/moves. My personal affiliations go out of the window. With a moderator's hat on, I do not have any personal opinion. If someone gets reported, I ask the reporter and the reportee to explain themselves. Moving/editing/deleting posts is the very last resort and when it comes to that, I would add a comment explaining the reason.

That is what I would do. YMMV.

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If I got one cent every time IT happened I would have been billionaire by now. :)

Isn't that part of the fun with admin right. You select a target, you follow him, you sneak...and then BAM...and disappear before the target knows what happened :D

Preditor...

But when I think about it...it was a while since it happened actually. Maybe that means that I'm back on topic...

I think the 2,5 mods are doing a good job. It's not fun to be mod. Just think about it. Everyone here thinks they are right all the time :D

It would be fun to vote mods into office...and out ;)

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That is what in general is happening, you report with a reason, if the mod does not see reason it is dropped, if he sees reason he acts, that is exactly what jalyst did, that started an argument and then I told him that he must not get into this kind of argument (getting personal and stuff), shut it down, write a reason below, give infraction - not nice but before you get involved personally.. when you are in personally mods need to go to supermods/admins and ask them to solve the issue. What people most of the time do not understand is that at the point I need to get involved I do no more asking questions, I read conversations and posts and wipe the plate clean as I see fit. If there is an apology to be made or not and so on. People tend to attack me personally as soon as I get involved publicly, so I try to not get involved.

You know the game, you are a thread hijacker and get caught with your hands in the cookie jar ;) and yes everybody here thinks they are right, always, some of them know what my toolbox looks like from below as I do not even bother to get the hammer out of the box... :) and yes it seems you are back on topic (mostly) at least I hear no complaints anymore ;)

Those whom have seen my toolbox know that they get a msg about why and what happened. Most frequent response is still "WHY?", most frequent answer is then "so you cool off, take the 3 days and do something useful"

To add a closer, there was no harm done here, you can read the history of the posts yourself and jalyst did add an explanation to each (last) edit that was then edited by the original poster again - which got some confusion spread although the edits did not even change the context, just the language was cooled down so the thread does not get into a serious fight. That was actually good moderator work but in this forum or in forums in general people do not like when mods change their wording, they want to sound angry, they want to get into a fight they want to get banned for three days or at least get some infractions so they know it was worth while it lasted... so all of you take a deep breath, jalyst try to not overedit things, let the boys fight if they want to and send them into their corner when it got out of hand. If they start arguing with you about the then deserved infraction or editing of language, let me know and I grab my toolbox to fix it, some nails should do it.. (sorry I am out of duct tape).

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hehehee
Like the cut of your jib sir.

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Ffs guise, leave you for half an afternoon and it's all smoochies and hugs. Where can I claim a refund? Have 5 buckets of popcorn and the shop said thread fail is not a good enough reason for refund. Should I mail council? This seemed like return to the old days of page after page of good corny drama, damn you!

btw, all the transparency lovers, transparent modlogs are something which open source centred community would like? Less drama if anyone can check the logs before slinging some excrementy accusations he said she said etc, no?

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Haha...Serial thread derailers! Brilliant line by gerbick. Also, miss texrat Messing with With the thread title of the longest thread of TMO history on a daily basis. :D hard to be on topic when you dident had a clue what the title would be the next day...

Once we were many derailers in one single thread...now Im the last dinasour ;)

To me...The best mods follow the flows of the thread and only interfering when breaking the rules Which is pretty much never. Usually a good Idea is to just post a line in the thread rather then step in and take over by removing stuff and that is usually enough to direct the members to behave. Remove threads/posts should be rarly to never and only With personal attacks and religions....And today i never seen personal attacks like before...

Btw...if you have time you can read IT for yourself and see if IT needs moderation...http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42285

One good post of many: (mods do get some love)

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Great thread guys..

@ Laughingstok.. you the man..
@Texrat.. no better moderator in the world..
@rpgamazon.. the world will seem to dull without ur trolling..
@optimus.. good stuff..

and other random ppl whose name was never remembered.. good job everyone..

Now if only my internet will take less than 8 hours to download the firmware!!!.. I hate being away from home with such monumental things happen..

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I don't believe for 1 second that our posts would EVER be covertly moderated for our own well being how did when the fact remains and in conclusion I reiterate that thank you and good night

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Not you what you just Said... Mods are infact nice people? ;)

I have at least read 10 simular threads...every mod must have atleast one when he/she steps on someones toes :D

Deja Vu

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The internet's changing, imagine someone using today's meme: why would anyone go on the internet and lie? posted in 1997 (before google) on usenet, when internet was 20-50k of actual geeks who thought this is for sharing real ideas? They would answer him without even seeing how this is a joke. Everybody knows about russian troll farms (bit less but still expect majority to have also read about US troll farms, not on fox or ABC news), times are changing. Open modlogs would be absurd in the infancy of the internet, now it's PR/propaganda machine, nothing wrong/bad comes out of it, so why not? Would kill those juicy/corny mod drama threads for sure, if anyone could point to the log saying this is bullsh*t accusation (that's why I'm against, still no idea what to do with the popcorn), why not? (some thought is needed so we don't become linkfarm as the world cup streaming live 20xx spam as we used to get, not recently though). This has nothing with our current discussion (or the participants), but is transparency good or bad?

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Dave..Didn't notice how choppy my sentences were there ..eh?

Of course!
Mods need love too.
That's like sayin' pimps don't cry...
Nooo-oo-oo they never shed a tear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0dV_jZMEc

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Everyone knows the real purpose of the internet...
Brazilian fart porn..

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And therein lies the problem. Person A posts something that Person B does not like. A decent Person B would suck it, or in the worst case posted a reply. But our Person B decides to run to mamma and reports Person A. Moderator C, who happens to share the same opinion as Person B, as we see often in the Jolla subforum, takes Person B's side and acts. Person A never gets a chance.

The situation gets even worse when Moderator C is Person B, which is what this thread is all about. You are happy to dish difraction points to someone reported once by a disgrunted member who is too immature and cowardly to act on his own, yet all you do about a moderator who on his own accord and without an explanation moved, deleted or edited posts, causing at least three complaints in the last two weeks, is "talk to him".

If anything, I believe that moderators should be bound by the rules more than anyone else, not less. After all, they are supposed to be our role models.

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role models? bwaahahaa...
yes indeed
my fragile child-like mind needs that.

We need more alphabetical people here...
The situation is dimensionally too ABC for me...
not to mention It isn't confusing enough yet for me not to be able to follow...hehehehahhaahahaa

sorry...I need a time out for a sec.
it's too hard to type...
I need my hands right now to hold my sides...
gawd you guys are great.

http://s26.postimg.org/o5ledf0d5/mcs54.jpg

ah..welllewellwellwell...
hmm...I think everyone should just chillax ...
It's obvious that people should behave and police themselves...
and when passions get so heated that is impossible...the mods are there so one or a few person's upset doesn't spread and become a firestorm contagion of upset...with words upsetting many more.
Alot of people here are bandying about words ...too much power...abuse of power...I think people better calm down on that front...it isn't a position of power nor an abuse of it...mods are not omnipotent entities..the supermods are there to moderate the mods..the fail-safes are there....the mods are other members just like you and me who are volunteering their own free time to try to keep the bloody peace whilst their fellow members make more work for them..work I might add they are not getting paid for...and then...on top of their selfless work moderating people who themselves should know better...they are trying to be kind and polite and not disturb even the offender ..(whether or not the offender deliberately offends..) ...nor penalize them...
Then the moderator gets tarred, feathered and beaten by his fellow members for doing just that?
I think enough of being kind...
the community are not children needing that kind of moderation nor the ensuing tantrums.

the 3 american principals are Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I don't buy it ...
I'm Canadian and I believe in our 3..
Peace, Order, and Good Governance.

Stop being "kind" ...
Follow the letter of the law...
if there is a legitimate grievance ...the "only" entitlement anyone is due ...is the right of "due process"....to be heard out by another higher impartial [judge / supermod]
Otherwise it's time to pull out the big stick and start dolling out infraction-ary spanks.

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I find it quite disconcerting that a moderator may edit any post at will. On top of that, they can do it without notifying the original poster and without even leaving a trace. I don't think I've ever been affected by this, but then how would I even know? I don't go back and reread every post that I have ever typed.

I was once indirectly affected by moderation where I cross-linked to a post in another thread. As I mentioned in my subsequent edit of that post, the intervention by a moderator affected the sentiment of my own post.

Seriously? Correcting spelling mistakes or correcting the English of foreign speaker is part of the job description? Wow! I'm all for good English, etc. but that just seems bizarre to me. If a moderator is able to interpret poor English, I'm sure others can too, without moderation.

I appreciate that the moderators mean no harm and I'm sure they have the best of intentions, but my personal opinion is that editing of other peoples posts is going too far.

Hear, hear!

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With all this long post you just justified any action moderate can do (let's say in passive aggressive way), but not trying to understand that anyone from both side can make mistakes.
After that you somehow assume there is ranking and that we are bottom of some food chain you invented (i do understand the logic, but as if someone is set to some post with responsibility doesn't make person in upper ranks and there are hundreds of users here who never were in any related position but contributed to community more than others). I don't think your polite "shut up" is better than any insult that moderator should change. I don't see why I as member can talk to anyone from council, especially as it's it's responsibility to try help solve problems users have, even meetings are public, but still you invent some chain and rank us :(

I don't think spelling or other things should be changed and only real spam, insult and such (e.g. my post that was deleted for word "fanboy" is not more insulting than calling someone bottom of food chain and tell them to shut up). English is not my native and i might make mistakes, and if you want to help me, you can PM me and i'll fix it, but do not kindergarten me, it doesn't feel the best way. Changing quote in post is even most ridiculous, as it can change the whole meaning of answer and as we know same words told other way can change the meaning.

I just want to remind that you deleted my post just because there was "fanboy" in there which is slang word for some fans of product that try to justify anything, even "bad things" about product. It's like call person stubborn, but on other hand you use "ZoGg, outraged again at TMO's bias against him" where you even spell my nick wrong and it's okay, right? And then you assume that you can be better moderator than us, because in your opinion you are more responsible than us? Nice way, interesting how would you edit my post if i write than kind of things about any of moderator :)

And it's really not cool to post private conversation, especially only part of it and when in prev convo you explicitly asked me not to post publicly it. It's called hypocrisy when you do not like something and you even make actions against it and on other hand you do it yourself without blinking the eye.


I'm not trying to overthrow someone here or exile, i just see wrong actions in community i care about and feel part of it for past 5 years from maemo 5 era. And i do believe that if you do things you should do it right, doesn't matter if you a volunteer or not. As i understand it, i never asked to be moderator or council member(though i was offered by one respectable here council chairman(he was that time)) but reason i did not do it was simply as I know you need to do it proper, it's mostly not power but responsibility and time. I appreciate the work of moderators, the free time they spend here and all the mess they need do deal with, but on other hand it doesn't justify their wrong actions. Pretty fair and simple, it's not black and white.


I can be pretty annoying and talk on less interesting matters, but those matters we need to talk about and resolve them and i'm not afraid to raise my voice, I'm trying to be straight and tell what i think. When i had time i participated in meetings and tried to help folks in a ways i can. I never insulted anyone as far as i recall on this forum and i want to feel here as at home and it's not enough of fragmentation on the forums with some "elite" groups, but moderators and admins now feel free to change post coz of spelling, delete posts on matter of own view and they angry at you for pointing this out? I think slowly the line we passed is getting more and more far behind us! Just trying to think of it objectively, mostly this is the best quality you can find in moderator...

I had more to say, but most things ran out as i was not in reach of computer and it's not the text i feel comfortable to write on phone. I hope you get my point.

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holy wow, pls next time just fix it to fanboi, why the deletes (and if it was aimed at me, leave it!!! I am proud to be a fanboi, latest slashdot's comments probably now brought up to light there aren't that many of us left (and latest slashdot 'modding out' comments/news critical to throwing out gimp guy to dish out malware installer (slashdot owner owns sourceforge too): are probably even better example)

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Meh, i mentioned in the first post, that even if i don't agree with him, i can understand where it came from. But changing quotes? it's just proves the point "it starts here, where it ends" as i understand from thread that even spelling changed sometimes. I understand that this comes mostly from "it doesn't really matter" and even if it's true, it should not be a reason. Today this doesn't matter, tomorrow more serious things, as who to judge what does matter? Once the line is crossed it never ends.
I can understand if there is spam or real insult or calling names and it can be deleted till resolved, but some things shouldn't be done silently like it's nothing to change someone's post. if it doesn't that matter — you can inform the user and wait him to fix it. The minimum is that he would be aware that in some thread, he may never visit again, someone decided to edit his post and he do not really agree with that (which is fair enough and i think is his right), though i doubt he will get notification on phone about that.

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Of course i know that was a joke but still I don't got it. :mad: Please could some moderator edit this racist post ?


:D Sorry... I couldn't resist !!!

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I second that!
Bloody nicey-nice-guy Canadian types...
smarmy b-tards them all...
hoist them on their own petards I say!
o-ooh..that's me...

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More humour ...
less fumour ...
[sure it doesn't make sense ..but it sounds good]

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If you do not care and think this is stupid, why are you trying to hijack topic?
Please don't do that

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I never said I didn't care...
I never said this was stupid
Considering what I said earlier...
I believe I'm dead on the money.
People need to calm down.
I've been very specific, exactingly so...concerning the reality of the situation...I stated such.
I believe also in injecting some humour to lighten things...
I don't believe I'm hijacking a thread...
if I had hijacked this thread...then mods ..supermods ..would have censored and / or informed me of such ..I am sure.
As far as censorship, moderators having to alter my posts or inform me of such, warn me of my behaviour, give infractions...
I have never...ever...violated any protocols of behaviour here which would warrant a mark ..excepting once when asked to curb and tone down my joy, enthusiasm, and giddy excitement over good news...

of course like anyone here I have been upset ..in my instance ..at a couple of fellow members...over their poor behaviour...but still..even still..never warranting ever a warning, censorship or infraction...
It boils down to respectful behaviour to one another...that's it.

So..back to your post there..
you are speaking for me now?
you are quoting me now?
then it is misquoting... and flat out falsehood based in zero.
Never did I say "I don't care..."
Never did I say "this is stupid..."
quite the opposite.

but I do believe in trying to lighten the attitude here.
If you wish to throw completely invalid accusations me of hijacking the thread... when I most definitely am not...in fact I have been on topic...
Then bring in a mod and let him or her explain how exactly I am hijacking this thread...how I have deviated from topic..and don't just stop with me...but everyone else here who is not only talking about the laws of genteel behaviour here.. but are trying to lighten the tone of this angry-angry thread as well

otherwise throw baseless accusations elsewhere or better don't throw baseless accusations anywhere at all.

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...and stop moderating posts for any slightest hint of an excuse.

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I guess it's appropriate that I put my views across lest my own viewpoints are presumed to be something else.

Personally, I have used the edit posts function in the rare instances of needing to delete links to warez, add notice to the OP etc with edit reason clearly stated and/or a [MOD EDIT] tag. I have always been against editing people's words because it ruins the spirit of openness.

In cases where posts are unacceptable I prefer deleting them with reason instead of editing them. While others may not see the reasons for a post deletion the author indeed can see it from the user profile page. Here I am conflicted because I find it unfair to shame someone publicly with reasons for post deletion as the post could have been published in an unwitting moment.

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Very interesting take on it all, but what when user has a 'cause' and mod has vendetta against said user? If you are afraid of shame of that user you can always make posts/thread deletions acceptable by said user, if they feel no shame showing for all: this post was deleted because of religious reasons, ed sucks, we all vi here (or emacs, hope you get it)

still, keep current modding scene, don't look into opening up what goes behind it (this is not about mailboxes (yet)), users just loathe the power users, unfair, we can run 10 articles on you down-users being clueless and deleting any disagreeing post here (because), just because, even public modlogs won't fix it fully

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I think that this "fear" of vendetta from our mods ....
especially our guys....
who take their job seriously...
is about as probable as my G.P. (doctor) of 15+ years ..
suddenly becoming a psychopath.
I don't think it something to worry about.
I haven't ever seen an abuse of privilege or power by a mod. here.
Some may say different ...but I doubt the veracity of such claims.
As has been stated many times before...if such an occurrence took place or there was a dispute 'tween poster
http://s26.postimg.org/7e0je1h21/2015_06_04_1312.png
and mods. ...
http://www.maxmayo.com/wp-content/up...-style-men.jpg
then the supermod is sent in to clean things up ..
http://molempire.com/wp-content/uplo...od_revival.jpg

crap...these are the moddest mods ...

actually lookin at the post now...
I don't wanna be a poster boy...
I wanna be one of those slick mods :D

Re: Post editing by moderators with no notification
 

Shield of a thousand mirrors actually is a thing, goddamit

Re: Post editing by moderators with no notification
 

szopin,

Is the jalyst - ZogG issue being discussed here or the issue of editing posts more generally? I gave you my take on the general issue and in the event of a vendetta (though it's rare to see such) the user reports to the admin and he can undelete the posts too so it's not as big an issue as you think it may be. The worst thing is the post is missing for a few hours but you can be damn sure if a mod goes on a vendetta spree the admin and/or other mods would surely not stay silent once it's brought to their attention.

Also why is this sounding more like a us vs them thread? Mods are normal users with some powers to keep the place clean and tidy and not another elite or special group of people that you are making it sound like. This is TMO, a place where I think most of us are sane adults so can we please try not to create a divide where there is none?