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nieldk 2015-07-07 17:45
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Well, here is an good article, that answers a goodload of the speculations in this thread, including my own

http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/07/mob...r-of-business/

pycage 2015-07-07 18:00
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
With MeeGo and Nokia we saw that having both, the OS and hardware inhouse doesn't attract 3rd party manufacturers to license the OS, as they had to compete with the license giver in terms of hardware.

Jolla has always stated that licensing Sailfish OS and thus gaining market share has been the goal all the time. The design of the phone and the tablet hardware were a necessity to get Sailfish OS to a market where nobody was interested in licensing a so far unknown OS.

Now that the situation has changed, and there is growing interest by 3rd party manufacturers to license Sailfish OS, it is just a logical next step to pursue that road. Imagine that, to have an Android-compatible system that does not force you to play by Google's rules.

By the way, no one ever said, that Sailfish OS is to become more closed due to the licensing strategy. The opposite has been stated and been reiterated always.

The press release sounds like the Mobile World Congress in Shanghai will be pretty interesting in terms of Jolla.

@nieldk: I don't understand your reasoning. Do you want Jolla to succeed, or to remain in a niche that cannot sustain a company?

mosen 2015-07-07 18:12
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
totally understand @NielDK!
You deserve better information.

Reading the Techcrunch article gives the impression it has more info and is more on spot than jollas own announcement.

Again very vague communication that forces to try reading between the lines and heats speculation...

nieldk 2015-07-07 18:16
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
With MeeGo and Nokia we saw that having both, the OS and hardware inhouse doesn't attract 3rd party manufacturers to license the OS, as they had to compete with the license giver in terms of hardware.
Probably not the best example in terms of this forum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
Jolla has always stated that licensing Sailfish OS and thus gaining market share has been the goal all the time. The design of the phone and the tablet hardware were a necessity to get Sailfish OS to a market where nobody was interested in licensing a so far unknown OS.
They could have chosen exisiting hardware. Would have loved them to continue the development of SailfishOS on N9. But that work wasnt even released I believe (I could be wrong),

Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
Now that the situation has changed, and there is growing interest by 3rd party manufacturers to license Sailfish OS, it is just a logical next step to pursue that road. Imagine that, to have an Android-compatible system that does not force you to play by Google's rules.
You are very wrong, Google still have a major role to play there. Sure, unofficial Android apps can be used and installed, outside Playy store. However, Google completely control Play store, and can easily lock out unwanted devices.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
By the way, no one ever said, that Sailfish OS is to become more closed due to the licensing strategy. The opposite has been stated and been reiterated always.
That is yet to be seen. I cant say anything that proves the opposite. But I fear the opposite, thus I started this thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
The press release sounds like the Mobile World Congress in Shanghai will be pretty interesting in terms of Jolla.
Indeed

Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475980)
@nieldk: I don't understand your reasoning. Do you want Jolla to succeed, or to remain in a niche that cannot sustain a company?
They cant stay in a nice, I completely agree. And no, I want them to succeed with our without own hardware. I will support them as far as I can. But I dislike the disrespect they had had for developers and that they have mainly supported TOH development.
Even Nokia supported developers much more.

eekkelund 2015-07-07 18:51
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Just interesting quotes from article:
Quote:
Update: Asked directly whether the new Jolla company was committed to making new hardware Saarnio told TechCrunch he can confirm “it is committed” to building new devices but added: “There’s a limitation that the company is not yet established so there’s a plan to start producing it. I personally believe they will start producing smart hardware, smartphones or smart devices, in the future. That’s the plan and the intention.”

The scope of the new Jolla devices company may also be broader than the first wave Jolla, which has brought one smartphone to market and is in the midst of building a tablet. “This new company will have quite a lot of freedom to do all kinds of handsets. And I think what we are looking for is to create a young brand with this that’s able to expand to different interesting areas and utilize the existing hardware ecosystem with this,” Saarnio added.
Quote:
Meanwhile Saarnio said Jolla will have an announcement about India partnerships coming next week, at Mobile World Congress Shanghai, with “major corporations in terms of device licensing and other ecosystem partnerships” — adding: “This should be the biggest announcement so far from Jolla.”

He couched the forthcoming India announcement as a “proof of concept” for Jolla’s BRICs-focused business model, adding:. “I don’t see any reason why we would not be able to expand this licensing agreement to multiple device vendors and multiple media companies and multiple ecommerce companies. I do see that the market is really looking for an alternative at the moment and companies are ready to take actions on that.”

pycage 2015-07-07 19:00
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
Probably not the best example in terms of this forum.
Why not? This is the story that many people on this forum know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
They could have chosen exisiting hardware. Would have loved them to continue the development of SailfishOS on N9. But that work wasnt even released I believe (I could be wrong),
The N9 and N950 work from Jolla was released by granting public access to the hardware adaptation repository for these devices. That's why you can run some versions of Sailfish on the N9. Unfortunately, the N9 is stuck with its outdated kernel version.
Anyway, Jolla has worked to run Sailfish OS on existing hardware such as the Nexus 5. The N9 and N950, however, became soon a deadend due to the lack of drivers, as there is no well performing Android hardware adaptation for the N9.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
You are very wrong, Google still have a major role to play there. Sure, unofficial Android apps can be used and installed, outside Playy store. However, Google completely control Play store, and can easily lock out unwanted devices.
Amazon, for instance, is making Android tablets and settop boxes without Play Store.
Not everybody needs Play Store when there are alternatives. I stopped using Play Store
the day my only Google-ified Android device, the Nexus 7, was turned useless by Android 5.0. I don't miss Play Store, but I regret having bought apps there, because they are tied to Google devices.

So, if an alternative store comes preinstalled, and it has good content, then why would someone need Play Store? Amazon IMHO has proven the opposite, and AFAIK the Kindle Fire Tablets and Fire TVs are not selling that badly.

And there's no Play Store in China either, or is there by now?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
That is yet to be seen. I cant say anything that proves the opposite. But I fear the opposite, thus I started this thread
I can understand that. But it's probably not a good idea to start a thread based on fear, uncertainty, and doubt. :)
Do not fear the opposite. Most non-UI stuff is already being developed in the open on github (under the Nemo Mobile disguise), and some UI stuff, such as the browser got opened, too. And it doesn't look like the (admittedly, slow) process of opening has ended yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
They cant stay in a nice, I completely agree. And no, I want them to succeed with our without own hardware. I will support them as far as I can. But I dislike the disrespect they had had for developers and that they have mainly supported TOH development.
Even Nokia supported developers much more.
Maybe what you felt as disrespect towards developers was a lack of resources for proper developer support? Nokia had a lot more people dedicated to support developers.
At Jolla, OTOH, the developer support is given by the busy Sailfish OS developers themselves, sometimes in their spare time.

romu 2015-07-07 19:03
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
With all that noise, just hope to see a FairPhone2 with sfos, that would be great!

strobovalo 2015-07-07 19:58
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
In my humble opinion we need improve the OS and more native apps than new hardware.

MartinK 2015-07-07 20:42
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475982)
That is yet to be seen. I cant say anything that proves the opposite. But I fear the opposite, thus I started this thread
Indeed! While I have (multiple times) said that you can license software while keeping it open, there are not yet any indications of Jolla choosing to go this way.

Some sort of clarification about this from Jolla would be very welcome, as I can see a nontrivial number of contributors from the open source community, that are not satisfied with the current closed source mobile landscape and might be willing to help improve a truly open mobile OS.

m4r0v3r 2015-07-07 21:50
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1475989)
Why not? This is the story that many people on this forum know.



The N9 and N950 work from Jolla was released by granting public access to the hardware adaptation repository for these devices. That's why you can run some versions of Sailfish on the N9. Unfortunately, the N9 is stuck with its outdated kernel version.
Anyway, Jolla has worked to run Sailfish OS on existing hardware such as the Nexus 5. The N9 and N950, however, became soon a deadend due to the lack of drivers, as there is no well performing Android hardware adaptation for the N9.



Amazon, for instance, is making Android tablets and settop boxes without Play Store.
Not everybody needs Play Store when there are alternatives. I stopped using Play Store
the day my only Google-ified Android device, the Nexus 7, was turned useless by Android 5.0. I don't miss Play Store, but I regret having bought apps there, because they are tied to Google devices.

So, if an alternative store comes preinstalled, and it has good content, then why would someone need Play Store? Amazon IMHO has proven the opposite, and AFAIK the Kindle Fire Tablets and Fire TVs are not selling that badly.

And there's no Play Store in China either, or is there by now?



I can understand that. But it's probably not a good idea to start a thread based on fear, uncertainty, and doubt. :)
Do not fear the opposite. Most non-UI stuff is already being developed in the open on github (under the Nemo Mobile disguise), and some UI stuff, such as the browser got opened, too. And it doesn't look like the (admittedly, slow) process of opening has ended yet.



Maybe what you felt as disrespect towards developers was a lack of resources for proper developer support? Nokia had a lot more people dedicated to support developers.
At Jolla, OTOH, the developer support is given by the busy Sailfish OS developers themselves, sometimes in their spare time.
Amazons fire OS is ****. So is there app store.

I think realistically Jolla are simply stuck in the middle of being completely open with the community, but at the same time don't want to constantly let down the community.

Also if Sailfish OS becomes a seperate entity from Jolla then maybe they open source more to allow the community to speed up development. Its why libhybris was opened up wasn't it?(unless I've miss interpreted the blog)

gerbick 2015-07-08 03:30
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Wow... talk about your leap of faith. A company splits to ensure that the right people are placed in the right endeavors/channels and since it goes against your personal whims and expectations; it's a bad thing. No... in fact, it's the worst thing ever and you're going to leave.

All I see is that folks are speaking from a personal investment level and not from a company making moves in an ever-changing environment level. BRICS alone is a good move for Jolla. And that ensures that it will stay more open than Android and iOS.

The hardware division split concerns me. But perhaps it's just to divert folks that would be useless in some areas and make them useful on some Jolla inspired/internal endeavors whereas Sailfish OS is now the push to be an alternative in some of the countries way too fed up with Google and Apple (or just America to be completely honest) and are embracing something that can seem more homegrown and ready faster than starting from scratch.

I don't share any excitement on this. Nor do I have any insider information. But given how the game has changed since 2007; this might be a savvy move.

Or it might not. Time will tell.

nieldk 2015-07-08 06:35
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
Wow... talk about your leap of faith. A company splits to ensure that the right people are placed in the right endeavors/channels
Are you suggesting that they are doing humanitary work?
I think they are all great people and if they were not, they wouldnt have gotten onboard the ship in the first place

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
and since it goes against your personal whims and expectations; it's a bad thing. No... in fact, it's the worst thing ever and you're going to leave.
Copyright © 2015 NielDK

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
All I see is that folks are speaking from a personal investment level and not from a company making moves in an ever-changing environment level.
I can only express my own opinion, yes. But, as a 'company' I am always changing. I make bad decisions, and so do Jolla (in my opinion that is).


Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
BRICS alone is a good move for Jolla. And that ensures that it will stay more open than Android and iOS.
Perhaps. But why are we left with some statement in an article, from an interviewer. Why dont we see (and almost never did) such statements here, on TJC or even in the original press release ?
This, unfortunately (in my opinion), is a quite normal way for Jolla to communicate. An open company as they claim they are, seems to be pretty closed (in my opninion)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
The hardware division split concerns me.
Well, see, now its not only my opinion, but ours ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
But perhaps it's just to divert folks that would be useless in some areas and make them useful on some Jolla inspired/internal endeavors
Humanitary work :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
whereas Sailfish OS is now the push to be an alternative in some of the countries way too fed up with Google and Apple (or just America to be completely honest) and are embracing something that can seem more homegrown and ready faster than starting from scratch.
I dont think thats the reason, but they have seen potiential for growing fast in certain areas. This, in my opinion, is one of the best moves they have done



Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
I don't share any excitement on this. Nor do I have any insider information. But given how the game has changed since 2007; this might be a savvy move.
We share again some opinions here

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
Or it might not. Time will tell.
Yes, I hope for the best, but I do fear the worst.
^ that statement, believe it or not, is expressing my concern for their survival.

gerbick 2015-07-08 06:49
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
What you call humanity work, most people would call resource allocation.

JulmaHerra 2015-07-08 06:52
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1476009)
The hardware division split concerns me. But perhaps it's just to divert folks that would be useless in some areas and make them useful on some Jolla inspired/internal endeavors whereas Sailfish OS is now the push to be an alternative in some of the countries way too fed up with Google and Apple (or just America to be completely honest) and are embracing something that can seem more homegrown and ready faster than starting from scratch.
In Techcrunch article it was explained that they want to concentrate more on Sailfish OS and not spend so much time on HW issues in administrative meetings. They could have done it by establishing separate HW department inside Jolla but thought it might not be a good move for startup, so it's more clear if SW and HW are in separate companies. It also gives the new HW company more freedom to operate and explore new things. Don't know how much is left untold, but my gut feeling is that there might be some cooperation-scheme which is possible only with separate HW company. But that's just speculation...

javispedro 2015-07-08 09:57
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Sadly, this reminds me of Palm's "burning platform" era, when they tried a lot of broken strategies. Including splitting into hardware and software companies.

Eventually, the software part got bought by some other company and the code was never to be seen again. The hardware company, ironically, ended up starting another operating system, which ended up being used on .. TVs? before finally disappearing, too.

bluefoot 2015-07-08 10:08
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1475907)
I am not so sure. But I hope you are right.
The 'licening' SailfishOS is what mainly sounds worrying.
The announcement is effectively recycled from the last two MWCs (and in between), except with a bit added on stating the explicit intent to separate the two operations ... mainly I expect for accounting reasons as the HW business probably had or needs some big writedowns, and if it continues to be unsustainable (highly likely) they can wind it up much more easily.

TLDR - there isn't really anything new here. Dunno why this statement specifically is what's worrying you.

tortoisedoc 2015-07-08 10:23
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1476035)
Sadly, this reminds me of Palm's "burning platform" era, when they tried a lot of broken strategies. Including splitting into hardware and software companies.

Eventually, the software part got bought by some other company and the code was never to be seen again. The hardware company, ironically, ended up starting another operating system, which ended up being used on .. TVs? before finally disappearing, too.
I guess time will tell. It makes sense to split risks tho.

chemist 2015-07-08 10:30
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
So Niel, you leave, then kickstarter then leave again? Your points are exaggerating and interpretative in a massive way, Jolla said they will cease device business, now they announce they continue device business... what is bad in that? That you put different departments in different companies is also risk management and maybe Nokia (or any other company) has their hands in it and Jolla protects SFOS from being bought and destroyed through device investments.

Jolla also announced that they will open more sources, looking at the bigger FOSS companies, they all make money from other companies, not from private users so sailfish-secure will probably their commercial piece in terms of FOSS, highly adapted security devices for specific company/government needs. There are companies out there doing that closed-source without you even knowing their name as they do not offer any consumer devices. I can go on and on fighting your misconduct, but here it is also coming down to 2075eur you got from the community and you quit before you even started, I don't ask for money, I do everything here voluntarily, use my savings to buy devices. If you are worth the shot you probably be in Jolla's developer program... so what hardware did you buy from those 2075eur? Which is 4 phones (including a full stack of TOHs incl TOHKBD) and 3 tablets btw... and will you donate them to the community as you are leaving now?

jalyst 2015-07-08 10:53
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chemist (Post 1476040)
I can go on and on fighting your misconduct, but here it is also coming down to 2075eur you got from the community and you quit before you even started, I don't ask for money, I do everything here voluntarily, use my savings to buy devices. If you are worth the shot you probably be in Jolla's developer program... so what hardware did you buy from those 2075eur? Which is 4 phones (including a full stack of TOHs incl TOHKBD) and 3 tablets btw... and will you donate them to the community as you are leaving now?
I don't think he's leaving, see some of the more recent posts of his, he should prolly clarify his OP though, as it's resulting in some folks misunderstanding his position.

ggabriel 2015-07-08 11:36
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1476043)
I don't think he's leaving, see some of the more recent posts of his, he should prolly clarify his OP though, as it's resulting in some folks misunderstanding his position.
I have to agree, I first thought he was leaving but then read between the lines that the "so long" was more meant for the Jolla movement as the OP's opinion is that things are crumbling a little bit, to put it in my own words.

EDIT: I could be completely wrong though, so a clarification would be nice ;-)

mosen 2015-07-08 12:53
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Antti Saarnio @ Jolla Pioneers Facebook group about 2h ago:

Quote:
Thanks guys for caring. You are true fans for it. Although these are bold moves for a start-up the reasons behind are very logical:
1) HW business can't be justified with Jolla's R&D investment level,
2) To justify investment level, Sailfish OS must scale with licensing partners,
3) Serving licensing business is a huge task for us, focus is needed (imagine you having several big time customers demanding attention),
4) Producing Jolla phones is very different sport and also requires focus (customers are important),
5) Both businesses have very different kind of investors: Sailfish OS: big, expecting scale, Devices: smaller, mostly private. Selling two in one is very difficult. ...Most importantly, what you see here is commitment. We are very committed to build and conquer with Sailfish OS and we also want Jolla devices to show its full potential (with TOH). Thats why were are brave enough to me bold, Unlike moves ;)
and when i wished him luck with theyr plans in a comment he answered:

Antti Saarnio
Quote:
Not only our plans. We plan to do this together with you :)

Fellfrosch 2015-07-08 13:40
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
with TOH
...that sounds, like the next Phone could still have TOH. :eek::cool:

Copernicus 2015-07-08 13:52
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1476060)
with TOH
...that sounds, like the next Phone could still have TOH. :eek::cool:
Absolutely; that's the biggest feature of the current Jolla hardware, which kind of makes it the most important element for the new company's products. After all, they're now going to have to compete with some fairly big hardware producers, assuming that Jolla succeeds in finding some licensees. :)

MartinK 2015-07-08 13:56
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1476060)
with TOH
...that sounds, like the next Phone could still have TOH. :eek::cool:
If this is confirmed this a a really good news! :)

I was afraid it would be the first thing on the chopping block for new Sailfish OS devices - which would be a great shame!

itdoesntmatt 2015-07-08 14:37
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
What about asking to him on that facebook group whats about future of opening sailfish and How is related to licensing business? I find reasons exposed reasonable.

nieldk 2015-07-08 14:48
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
I hope the updated first post answers many questions targeted at me and my initiative regarding funding.

nieldk 2015-07-08 15:05
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chemist (Post 1476040)
So Niel, you leave, then kickstarter then leave again? Your points are exaggerating and interpretative in a massive way, Jolla said they will cease device business, now they announce they continue device business... what is bad in that? That you put different departments in different companies is also risk management and maybe Nokia (or any other company) has their hands in it and Jolla protects SFOS from being bought and destroyed through device investments.

Jolla also announced that they will open more sources, looking at the bigger FOSS companies, they all make money from other companies, not from private users so sailfish-secure will probably their commercial piece in terms of FOSS, highly adapted security devices for specific company/government needs. There are companies out there doing that closed-source without you even knowing their name as they do not offer any consumer devices. I can go on and on fighting your misconduct, but here it is also coming down to 2075eur you got from the community and you quit before you even started, I don't ask for money, I do everything here voluntarily, use my savings to buy devices. If you are worth the shot you probably be in Jolla's developer program... so what hardware did you buy from those 2075eur? Which is 4 phones (including a full stack of TOHs incl TOHKBD) and 3 tablets btw... and will you donate them to the community as you are leaving now?
Shut up ;) I mailed you on several occasions that I am donating both an N9 and an N900 to the coding competion here on TMO. While that seems to be accepted, it was never confirmed that You even want those devices. And yes, I am considering to donate a jolla device as well. This forum deserves some initiative to keep all those devies alive.
Cheer up, and do continue the good work you are all doing.

itdoesntmatt 2015-07-08 15:30
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Just asked on fb. Waiting For a reply but A.Saarni

jalyst 2015-07-08 15:35
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Can you please ask him to clarify his "TOH" comment too (see 2nd post on this page)
I can already predict the response, if there is one... :)

itdoesntmatt 2015-07-08 15:44
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Sure i can. Tell me what are Your questions

Otherwise if i Will be generical and vague i suppose official reply would sound Like "we are working on it.we ll share new info SOON
( copyright all rights reserved)" ahahhaah just joking

Dave999 2015-07-08 16:50
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
please ask him: Who is responsible for the Tablet? what part of the organization?

nieldk 2015-07-08 16:58
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1476087)
please ask him: Who is responsible for the Tablet? what part of the organization?
On that part, I have no doubt. That is the 'existing' company. Who also stated that they are going to ship those ordered by now.
Probably that also means, there will be no more of that particular tablet. Or, it will afterwards, be handed over to the new device company (I guess they will 'buy' the rights to use the already designed tablet).

Dave999 2015-07-08 17:05
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1476090)
On that part, I have no doubt. That is the 'existing' company. Who also stated that they are going to ship those ordered by now.
Probably that also means, there will be no more of that particular tablet. Or, it will afterwards, be handed over to the new device company (I guess they will 'buy' the rights to use the already designed tablet).
the existing company cant be responsible since it's splitting in two :D unless they say: No more tablets!

nieldk 2015-07-08 17:10
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1476093)
the existing company cant be responsible since it's splitting in two :D unless they say: No more tablets!
I guess they could lay of responsibility. But they clearly stated that they are putting effort into delivering as fast as possible ;)

Dave999 2015-07-08 17:11
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1476094)
I guess they could lay of responsibility. But they clearly stated that they are putting effort into delivering as fast as possible ;)
yep, so again back to my initial question :D

jalyst 2015-07-08 17:28
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1476093)
the existing company cant be responsible since it's splitting in two :D unless they say: No more tablets!
Dave, you haven't been reading all the articles linked, please read what Jolla personnel have said about current devices, which includes the Jolla Tablet (by their definition).

@itdoesntmatt

About Jolla TOH, just ask them if it's def. on the table for a successor device, & for that matter; is a J2 def. on the table, or will it depend on investment/partners that the new co. can secure?

Dave999 2015-07-08 17:35
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1476098)
Dave, you haven't been reading all the articles linked, please read what Jolla personnel have said about current devices, which includes the Jolla Tablet (by their definition).

@itdoesntmatt

About Jolla TOH, just ask them if it's def. on the table for a successor device, & for that matter; is a J2 def. on the table, or will it depend on investment/partners that the new co. can secure?
No, I have not and after browsing all pages like crazy I've not found it. :(

nieldk 2015-07-08 17:40
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1476100)
No, I have not and after browsing all pages like crazy I've not found it. :(
First post ;)

link: http://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/...2015_FINAL.PDF

Quote:
Jolla is committed to deliver the Jolla Tablet to its Indiegogo crowdfunding contributors and is working hard to start first shipments as soon as possible.
http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/07/mob...r-of-business/

jalyst 2015-07-08 17:57
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
And that's not all of it IIRC, there was a few more minor clarifications in the TechCrunch article too.

itdoesntmatt 2015-07-08 18:03
Re: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish
 
Asked. We ve just to wait For a reply


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