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mp107 2015-08-31 09:43

The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
I think it is worth mentioning as it may affect open-source software used on devices equipped with Wi-Fi.

SOFTWARE SECURITY REQUIREMENTS FOR U-NII DEVICES:
https://apps.fcc.gov/kdb/GetAttachme...g_number=39498

Quote:

(...)
2. SOFTWARE SECURITY DESCRIPTION GUIDE
An applicant must describe the overall security measures and systems that ensure that:
1. only properly authenticated software is loaded and operating the device; and
2. the device is not easily modified to operate with RF parameters outside of the authorization.
(...)

Thread inspired by an article (Polish language): http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/WiFi-sci...ews,66029.html

robthebold 2015-08-31 13:33

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Preventing the flashing of DD-WRT is specifically mentioned. Don't think I'd buy an access point that I couldn't flash Tomato on.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2015-08-31 14:49

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1480541)
Preventing the flashing of DD-WRT is specifically mentioned. Don't think I'd buy an access point that I couldn't flash Tomato on.

Routers and stuff are already a botnet, but now it's botnet 2.0 now we can't flash other/OSS firmware on it.

nieldk 2015-08-31 15:46

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Good thing I dont reside in the US

pichlo 2015-08-31 16:37

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1480551)
Good thing I dont reside in the US

As I know our belowed establishment, the UK will follow suit shortly. If it hasn't already. Good job my 10 years old router is still going strong and I have no reason (or intention) to replace it.

nieldk 2015-08-31 16:45

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1480559)
As I know our belowed establishment, the UK will follow suit shortly. If it hasn't already. Good job my 10 years old router is still going strong and I have no reason (or intention) to replace it.

True. Guess I neef to purchase one sooner than later

mp107 2015-08-31 17:04

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
I am afraid that some (most? all?) the producers would not want to create separated vesions of devices for USA (without flashing option) and for rest of the world (with it).
Worse, even differences of AC voltage are not a problem while most of the routers, all of the phones and tablets have external power supplies/chargers which can be exchanged easily depending on region.

endsormeans 2015-08-31 17:18

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Wow,
ugly.
Feel for anyone having to deal with this...
hopefully us Canucks won't have to.

nokiabot 2015-08-31 17:37

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
actually this one is more concerning
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Save_Wi...idual_Comments

pls post your views there

gerbick 2015-08-31 17:42

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Sadly, the only thing that these idiots understood was "properly authenticated software" and something like open source is considered a threat since "just anybody" can alter the software; a common issue with some folks that govern our devices in the FCC, et al.

Oh well. It'll probably be turned around just like unlocking phones was in the US.

Paranoia. It's a spectator sportŠ

endsormeans 2015-08-31 18:49

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
That info is very disturbing nokiabot.
Unfortunately it is specific to the U.S. and I doubt it would mean a hill of beans if people from other countries post comments [if it is allowed even.] As it seems to be a [national] domestic site pertaining to U.S. citizenry and the point of becoming vocal and speaking out ...for or against... on the topic ...not international.

I hope enough people in the U.S. become informed enough, care enough that the citizenry understands that it will shape the very advancement of U.S. technology and innovation as it is understood.

Overall ..chilling really.

nokiabot 2015-08-31 19:17

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
looks like i never realised its us
blame the internet
anyway impact would be felt elsewhere too i think ?
thanks

gerbick 2015-08-31 19:42

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1480584)
I hope enough people in the U.S. become informed enough...

You have no idea of what you're demanding. Not even I have that level of hope.

endsormeans 2015-08-31 20:34

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
aw mannn...
I didn't want to address the Godzilla in the room.
I didn't want to be the 1st to say it.
But yeah...even waaaaayyy up here in Canuckland
we see the misinformation deliberate or not, the apathy, the total "so what as long as it doesn't bother me immediately" point-of-view, right down to lack of actual proper edification [let alone] without some band of critics or opposition parties or lobby groups or pinning amendments to bills where there is no hope it will ever be passed. ie- the only way this could be passed to ensure the safety of emerging tech and innovation would be for it to be taped to a bill to restrict gun control. Hence it will never pass. [in the U.S. that is...for now anyway...as an aside ...I do truly hope one day there won't be people using military-grade assault weaponry on one another...]
I watch how good efforts to bring about positive meaningful change are perpetually stymied in the U.S.
We have our own probs here...but they seem pretty small ..and manageable compared to the U.S.'s ...
I feel for you gerbick.

And yeah nokiabot.
there will be a repercussive blow from this globally...
but there are soooo many nations with proper tech advancement and the understanding if you collar innovation...you strangle and stultify it. Hence ...let it be. Monitor it ...but let progress continue as it has been going ..since fire and the wheel....

Interestingly the U.S. [actually lately it is one of the repub. contenders..but the topic in the states comes up every now and again.. ] stated that in addition to a wall between america and mexico ...a wall between america and Canada should be built.
ok.
personally I have no prob with it...good idea...
reduced trade by a 1/3 but we can do more elsewhere...
fewer weapons, crime, drugs, alll sorts of probs because of the border...pretty much gone.
But...
I don't think the walls are meant to keep canadians and mexicans out of the U.S. ...
but rather to make sure that their own people can't flee the country. :D
I'd suggest immigration to B.C. gerbick...
climate is nice...
people are too...
not so many probs either..
start packin' before they start laying the bricks ..:D

nokiabot 2015-09-01 05:21

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1480600)
aw mannn...
I didn't want to address the Godzilla in the room.
I didn't want to be the 1st to say it.
But yeah...even waaaaayyy up here in Canuckland
we see the misinformation deliberate or not, the apathy, the total "so what as long as it doesn't bother me immediately" point-of-view, right down to lack of actual proper edification [let alone] without some band of critics or opposition parties or lobby groups or pinning amendments to bills where there is no hope it will ever be passed. ie- the only way this could be passed to ensure the safety of emerging tech and innovation would be for it to be taped to a bill to restrict gun control. Hence it will never pass. [in the U.S. that is...for now anyway...as an aside ...I do truly hope one day there won't be people using military-grade assault weaponry on one another...]
I watch how good efforts to bring about positive meaningful change are perpetually stymied in the U.S.
We have our own probs here...but they seem pretty small ..and manageable compared to the U.S.'s ...
I feel for you gerbick.

And yeah nokiabot.
there will be a repercussive blow from this globally...
but there are soooo many nations with proper tech advancement and the understanding if you collar innovation...you strangle and stultify it. Hence ...let it be. Monitor it ...but let progress continue as it has been going ..since fire and the wheel....

Interestingly the U.S. [actually lately it is one of the repub. contenders..but the topic in the states comes up every now and again.. ] stated that in addition to a wall between america and mexico ...a wall between america and Canada should be built.
ok.
personally I have no prob with it...good idea...
reduced trade by a 1/3 but we can do more elsewhere...
fewer weapons, crime, drugs, alll sorts of probs because of the border...pretty much gone.
But...
I don't think the walls are meant to keep canadians and mexicans out of the U.S. ...
but rather to make sure that their own people can't flee the country. :D
I'd suggest immigration to B.C. gerbick...
climate is nice...
people are too...
not so many probs either..
start packin' before they start laying the bricks ..:D

cool post :D

nieldk 2015-09-07 06:14

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Bad is beconing worse
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...LEX:32014L0053

endsormeans 2015-09-07 15:47

Re: The USA and an attitude to the unofficial Wi-Fi firmware
 
Not good.
Not good at all.


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