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Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Sailfish OS 2.0 is now available for your Jolla smartphone! (notified per email)

I just downgraded back to 1.1.7

So far I am much enjoying the uncluttered minimalist interface and swipe cover actions.

What I miss from 1.1.9 (2.0 preview):

-background application tiles keep same position in task manager overview on 2.0
-Bluetooth transfer (of pictures) to Jolla needs per file confirmation , very annoying, and much better on 2.0 which accepted the whole batch in one go.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

A step forward to action based OS and at least some good use for the now omnipresent eventsview. :p

"Jolla Tablet: perform your favorite actions directly from the Events view. E.g. connecting to internet, search the web, find your location, take a photo, make a note or add a reminder"

"There are now even more options enabling you to personalize the phone according to your needs. One example is defining the behavior of the top edge swipe gesture: you can choose to keep it as an ambience switcher or change it to close apps directly with one top swipe (like before)."

Ok, Jolla recons that people like to personalize the interface through standard available options...

So let's say I don't need carousel or tap cover actions? In the next update those features will be made available as options so I can set it like I (we) want (like it was before) ?

edit: typo's

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Interesting. I have two Jollas in the house, mine with 1.1.9 and my Other Half's (geddit? ;)) with 1.1.7. After a couple of weeks on 1.1.9, I just tried the un-upgraded one and found it sooooo clunky, limited and confusing to use. I cannot blame my wife for putting it on the shelf and never using it. I should uprgade hers and let her try it out, maybe she will change her mind.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1483249)

Are you sure it's Jolla's CalDAV that's broken, and not something unusual about the way apple's CalDAV is implemeted?

Possible but then that just points back at Jolla for their implementation not working with one of the largest CalDAV and CardDAV providers on the planet. And it of course works with every other device I've got.

Thanks for the pointers with ModSecurity and DAV too but I've been through those already and it works just fine on my Mac and Android and even N9. OwnCloud and cPanel's built in CalDAV works all the time on those too.

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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1483251)

Will be quite fun if the everywhere on this forum seen: 'jolla sucks because of caldav!!!! fix it nao!!!!' turns out to be a single user's lack of config skills.

...where that single user is Apple or cPanel.net not able to configure their servers?

Or if it's myself configuring my Jolla, I'm unsure how I can manage to connect to the server but entries end up an hour out, disappear when edited or fail to sync.

It could be some protocol difference but I get the same behaviour regardless of which CalDAV server I use.

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Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1483251)

This is where tjc is ++, most of the threads on tmo dominated by few same names with same complaints over and over, how jolla is still around beats me

I don't go on tjc. a) I'm banned after repeatedly complaining about bugs not being fixed but since I'm a Mac user it's b) an exercise in pissing into the wind anyway as Jolla have the same kind of blind spot that Nokia had with Apple.

Simple cure of course for "same names with same complaints over and over" would be to fix the problems leading to the complaints perhaps? Even just a reply saying "Hey, we've (not)reproduced the problem. Thanks we'll fix/won't fix" would be nice.

The people that complain the loudest are often the people who really want a company to do well. We're passionate about making things better. You want those people on your side.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

@ pichlo:
You forgot to mention that the older brother sadly is dead. So the younger brother has now the burden to bear his late brother's heritage ...

And IMHO he does quite well

EDIT: hoops - this is somehow out of context, I don't know why. I was replying to pichlo's two brother allegory when discussing N9/Meego and Jolla/Sailfish

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Downloading of the latest version is taking a loooong time. Any easy way to see how much (of what total) is downloaded? Or even if it's just stalled/hung?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by skanky (Post 1483515)

Downloading of the latest version is taking a loooong time. Any easy way to see how much (of what total) is downloaded? Or even if it's just stalled/hung?

Code:

pkmon

and (as root)

Code:

journalctl -fa

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1483517)

Code:

pkmon

and (as root)

Code:

journalctl -fa

Thank you for the answer. Here's the result of the first one (I've left it for a minute or two, in case it's working on something):

Code:

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daemon connected=0

daemon connected=1

network status=online

It's not returned yet.

I cancelled the pkmon and ran journalctl:

Code:

[root@Jolla nemo]# journalctl -fa

-- Logs begin at Wed 2015-09-23 21:09:20 BST. --

Sep 24 17:09:52 Jolla dbus-daemon[444]: dbus[444]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' (using servicehelper)

Sep 24 17:09:52 Jolla dbus[444]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' (using servicehelper)

Sep 24 17:09:52 Jolla dbus-daemon[444]: dbus[444]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit'

Sep 24 17:09:52 Jolla dbus[444]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PackageKit'

Sep 24 17:10:54 Jolla kernel: [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=105, status=0, far=358, near=779

Sep 24 17:10:54 Jolla kernel: [TSL277X_P][After] far=355, near=779, from=104, to=779

Sep 24 17:11:46 Jolla [16533]: [D] StoreClient::slotInactivityTimer:938 - -- still busy, restarting inactivity timer 

Sep 24 17:12:14 Jolla kernel: [BAT]## SOC= 80( 80, 80),4116(4136),A=-128,T=347,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4360(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B

Sep 24 17:12:14 Jolla kernel: [BAT] Internal R 10 mOhm, I1:-48717uA I2:-190175uA V1:4134366uV V2:4135836uV

Sep 24 17:12:30 Jolla kernel: kworker/1:0(17793) send signal 2 to pkmon(18100)

Sep 24 17:13:00 Jolla kernel: [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=89, status=0, far=355, near=779

Sep 24 17:13:00 Jolla kernel: [TSL277X_P][After] far=347, near=779, from=0, to=779

Sep 24 17:13:46 Jolla [16533]: [D] StoreClient::slotInactivityTimer:938 - -- still busy, restarting inactivity timer 

Sep 24 17:14:39 Jolla kernel: [BAT] 81( 81, 81.0, 80.7( 80.7)  0.0)v4137(4099)(-182,-175)t348,c -252488,    0(19660)r210,L3975,s10

Sep 24 17:14:39 Jolla kernel: [BAT]## SOC= 81( 81, 81),4117(4137),A=-120,T=349,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4360(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W1B

I'm not sure I fully understand what that all says, but the impression I get is that not a lot's happening?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1483511)

Then it points back to question, should bad/non-standard implementations be "fixed" by making them work with some non-standard workaround. Like the Internet was in the days of IE6. Personally I wonder how bad CalDAV and CardDAV be if there is so huge variation on how they work. You don't see such behavior with Active Sync (which I'm using against Z-Push). Still, I guess Apple will never fix their end as long as it works with their walled garden, so perhaps Jolla should really fix that. Hopefully Apple has some documentation available for it, otherwise it's more or less hit-and-miss type of debug...

Quote:

I don't go on tjc. a) I'm banned after repeatedly complaining about bugs not being fixed....

You were banned because of your offensive comments in the great ExFAT-war. Not because complaining about bugs.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by skanky (Post 1483518)

Thank you for the answer. Here's the result of the first one (I've left it for a minute or two, in case it's working on something):

Code:

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daemon connected=0

daemon connected=1

network status=online

It's not returned yet.

I cancelled the pkmon and ran journalctl:

Code:

...

I'm not sure I fully understand what that all says, but the impression I get is that not a lot's happening?

Yep, nothing's happening. Try again. Probably the servers got jammed by too many requests. :)