Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

OOM handling has definitely improved! With previous versions only thing needed for apps to disappear was surfing on the web for short while. Now I could do it for some time with no apps being killed whatsoever. Definitely an improvement from multitasking point of view. :)

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Full quote, as this is the best comprehensional review on SFOS I have ever read. :p

But if it is true what does it say about respect/delivery to the user base that support(ed) them on their way to success?
And imagine it is not true ...

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

right, little bummer there...

But did someone notice that pdf documents have context search now? Very helpful for me at least.

http://mosushi.net/misc/pdf-cut.png

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Oh I 'd love to see that video comparison bench! Scenario's with and without Android support if I may add one request.

"stay tuned..." it reminds me about a famous quote by Stskeeps, just don't remember for what exactly. :confused:

Changelog says: support for Sony Xperia Z rgb led -> has there always been such explicit mention of support for 3rd party HW?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Mine took a long time too, and occasionally seemed to hang on the same bit of mountain for ages. It got there in the end, so I'd say keep at it.

I rebooted once when I thought it had hung, but that restarted the download so I think it did more harm than good.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Yeah, it's burried down the (very long) change list:

sailfish-office

• [office] Add a search engine to PDFDocument objects.
• [office] Add a toolbar to access pages and ToC.
• [office] Create a toolbar component that appears when view is flicked up.
• [office] Implement the interface for the search capability.
• [office] Search inside PDF documents.
• [office] Correct zooming, increase the maximum zoom and disable the zoom proxy.
• [sailfish-office] Install a separate .desktop file for mime-type handling.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Just aligning my "promise" to Jollas kind of liability :P
I ran into several obstacles yesterday evening since this will be my first video comparison ever but am still burning to do the video and have at least 50% setup. so my prediction for completing and uploading it soon(tm) is sunday latest.
Thanks for your interest ste-phan, very encouraging!

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Ooh, missed that. I've a Sony Z1c and Z3c tablet. Both have multi colour RGB LEDs like the Jolla phone. Official support would be awesome.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Not here, on my Nokia 808 I really enjoy unlocking my phone by opening the camera application (press the HW shutter button for that)

What a struggle this is on Jolla: tap screen to bring up lock code, enter lock code, search for camera app cover or bring up grid and launch camera... A photographer's nightmare...


Even on 1.1.7.28 one still had to enter the lock code when launching camera from pulley menu.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Yeh, these features in the document application have been discussed on TJC: https://together.jolla.com/question/...t-application/

The document application is open source, so one can add features easily, and Jolla, especially for this application, is playing the Open Source game very well : accepting pull request, comprehensive reviews from sailors before accepting patches… You can see from Github, that there are new other patches recently included that will arrive in a later release:

• internal PDF goto link working ;
• remember the last page position for each document ;
• shape of the pages for PDF when not rendered yet.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Yay, sub-folders in the microsoft exchange mail account now appear in the correct order. If this update hasnt fixed anything else, this alone has been worth it for me!

Also performance seems much better with multiple apps open.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

This one, perhaps?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I was trying to work out what the weird emails appearing in my events view were before eventually realising it was showing emails from my Junk mail folder which is a sub folder of my inbox. Also unread mail I archive into INBOX/Archive still appears in event view.

It makes the events view completely useless as it's just swamped by mail I don't want to read.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I would never have imagined someone wanting to do that. What do you know, whatever you do you always break someone's workflow ;)

Showing the Inbox subfolders in preview was a requested feature. I am personally not bothered either way. As far as I am concerned, the whole preview can go. Bring back the nice structured layout of Modest (the N900's stock mail app).

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Nice feature.
Is the PDF zoomable?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Yes, PDF can be zoomed (pinch to zoom), but currently, there is a hard coded limit on the zoom level, see /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Office/PDFView.qml, function clamp(). This limit is set to 2.5, meaning that the width of the PDF page can be maximum 2.5 times the width of the screen.

I guess this limit was set to avoid high memory consumption. Poppler, as far as I know, does not allow to render subparts of pages. So you can render only pages full size. If the max zoom level is too high, the page rendering will consume a lot of memory.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Hello Ancelad, I think it's a good idea to set the PDF max zoom value as a dconf configuration key. We should propose it upstream. They may accept it.

Indeed, in the patch to store page settings, I've added a dconf entry to switch on or off the page setting feature and they accept it easily. In fact, I've added a UI for it but they decide not to use the UI, but the dconf key, yes they did accept. So why not for the max zoom level ?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I have one problem.
I had soon after upgrade Facebook notifications on EVENTS. But after set all to read FB dissapeared. Now I have only Twitter. Anything I should do?

Thanks

EDIT

deleted FB - restarted - added FB... now works fine again :)

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

It's the default for cPanel servers (ie. by far the most common shared hosting platform). I think it's a legacy from when they used Courier IMAP - everything was under a prefix of INBOX so you have

INBOX
INBOX.Sent
INBOX.Archive
INBOX.Junk
...

They've kept that with Dovecot so you can switch between mail server software more easily and not mess up client software or webmail.

Preview?

It doesn't show mail from sub folders in the combined inbox view in the mail app but it does in the events view. Seems like a straightforward bug to me rather than a feature.

If they're going to add notifications for subfolders then it'd be nice to be able to configure which subfolders.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Sorry, I meant the aggregated view or whatever it is called. On the main screen where it shows emails from all inboxes.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

This. Improvement is partly new install and reboot and partly psychosematic. I'd wager that with a couple of days of use it'll be back to freeze-fest. Albeit OOM does appear better ....but they improved it and worsened it so many times now.

Objectively, native apps are still running painfully slowly compared to.Android apps in AD. There has been absolutely zero improvement here. It's still scraping the very bottom of the barrel.

Also battery drain is absolutely epic now.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Also they're making workflow even slower again and the UX even more inconsistent and confused. Why on Cyanogenmod / Android can I just swipe down from status bar at any time for quick settings and settings app. Swipe to notifications, swipe down, very limited toggles, swipe back to home screen, select settings (now hugely diminished in quickness of use). Then a load more taps to even adjust brightness. It's absolutely awful and keeps getting worse.

Glad I've now moved over to my N5 (CM).

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Your workflow must be very different from mine because I find mine sped up with the new UI. All settings are just a swipe away, maximum two.

However this...

...is a very valid point. I suspect the main reason we don't have that is the masses who would start shouting how bad it is because "it looks like Android".

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Few smal improvements that I noticed in da browser;

• New tabs opened from a page are now inserted nicely after the current page in tabs listing, as before the went to the bottom
• Tabs retain state and are not reloaded when you change from tab to tab (might be that was already fixed in previous releases, am not sure)

However the bug (in my opinion) that current tab is overwritten when you open an external link is still there... I`d like to see that opened in a new tab.

And OFC copy&paste is missing, has anybody tried to patch it in yet?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Thanks for that +1

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

But the whole point of having a lock code is that nobody can do anything until the (correct) lock code has been entered!

I don't understand how (some) people want to have a lock code but at the same time want to have the possibility (for anyone!) to bypass it.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Seems like you're not familiar how iOS and any Android device out there handles the lockscreen... :)

You can have access to camera without having to enter your device lock. This means: You can quickly take pictures (like in an emergency or just to quickly capture the moment without hustling through the menus)

When you have access to the Camera, it won't let you access the pictures you've taken before, but ONLY the pictures you've taken at THAT moment.

Jolla could implement this feature by adding it through the pulley menu :)

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

There's been enough chat about this kind of request... why don't you vote/open a tjc supporting customisation of swipes? Maybe you want the events view from the top. I want to close applications with that swipe, not change settings - the settings application is for that.
Android needs quick access to certain settings because it sucks too much (e.g., I have to switch off Bluetooth for security reasons and to save battery all the time, or fiddle with rotation). The same goes for iOS.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

No, it doesn't show them there. It's the events view (ie. swipe left edge from anywhere and it has the weather at the top). That's what is broke. It's showing a different set of unread emails to those in the email app and includes sub-folders such as Junk.

And CalDAV (to an Apple Calendar Server or iCloud.com) is still broken too but what's new. :rolleyes:

The accounts setup is still an awful hack.

You can set up accounts, but not edit the setup afterwards.

You can Sync data but it'll not tell you it's doing it.

Deleting accounts has a non-standard remorse timer with an X.

Adding accounts is an option at the bottom of the list and not a pulley menu.

CalDAV and CardDAV are still merged into one account page requiring both to have the same server address.

If you've 3 CalDAV accounts and 2 CardDAV accounts, all on different servers, you end up with 5 identical icons named with the same email address as a username, not that you can edit them afterwards to any useful degree, but you've no idea which is which for manual syncs, which you won't know have happened anyway. :p

In the dim and distant past (the 1980s) I was a junior programmer and spent a while doing QA. This wouldn't have got past me then.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

as I posted before, I'm still facing problem with the download.....it s stll stuck at the beginning of the download,then it starts again. A pop up message appears,telling me that there is un unsolvable problem with the Store.....
Any clue about that?

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Mostly agree.

Shortcuts in the events view is the wrong place to put them. But rather than swiping down to get them from anywhere I'd rather you just tapped the title bar like on the N9. That left swiping down to close as now.

I find the Android 5.x pull down for settings and notifications immensely frustrating.

You pull it down and it shows a fatter status bar with LESS info in than the default. Below that a pile of card based notifications. More often than not, doing this wakes up some app in the background which pops a card right over the top of the status bar.

You then swipe down again to get shortcuts and it adds in a tiny-tiny cog into the status bar to access all settings. That's if it doesn't just bounce back and close on you already. Grrr.

IME 4.x wasn't that bad.

On Sailfish, I noticed that one of the shortcuts I'd like to add is a shortcut to the entire settings app. It's not there.

And if you tap on the mobile data icon in shortcuts, with no SIM card in, the icon will keep on flashing indefinitely rather than time out and/or give an error. I only tapped on it to try and work out what the cryptic icon with no text label was.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I read in IRC that that may be due to network time outs. It doesn't start again, that appears to be a problem with the progress bar - it continues from where it left. I'd be a bit more patient, especially as a lot of people may be updating, factory resetting, updating again.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Admittedly the only accounts I have are the Jolla account and 6 email accounts but I can edit all of them just fine. Tap on the account in Settings and off you go for the basic things. For the rest, pull down the menu to "Server settings". Not the most intuitive thing in the world but does the job.

Can't comment on Cal* as I do not use any but all the rest are valid points.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Not that it matters, but no. I take a certain pride in noting that I've never even physically touched an iOS device :)

My wife has an S3 mini, which I sort of "maintain" (which makes me feel pretty akward -- I really dislike Android), but she doesn't have a lock code.

I would vote against it. The device is locked or the device is not locked. Any exception is not only (IMHO) non-sensical but also a security risk. Even not even Apple can get a complicated lock screen system right then I want mine (Jolla's) to be as simple as possible.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I think it's just your Android paranoia, since I've seen you posting this same comment at least 5x :)

I think it is generally bad to take something from a different system without thinking it through. And that's not just Android, but also Harmattan or other systems. One fine example is SailfishOS 2.0 - in 1.0, you would just swipe upwards and have all of your events available (and controls with a patch - there's no reason why Jolla couldn't implement it exactly like that) while still being one swipe away from the app you were using.

Then some people shouted how Harmattan was great with its status bar and carousel (which was great, I don't disagree with that, but it was a different system), so they implemented some of that...

Now the system is a hybrid where you have a tiny status bar (I am really glad I have TOHOLED, since checking the time in the OS is quite painful in v2.0), Harmattan-like carousel that prevents you from easily going back to the app you were using before checking the Events view, weird gestures like "swipe left, then up, click a switch, swipe bottom, swipe right, tap the app cover" and overall inconsistency.

That's what you get when you listen to particular requests without a strong design leadership.

• Harmattan was a great system with its own logic (even if it didn't suite everyone).
  
• Sailfish 1.0 was a great system with its own logic (even if it didn't suit everyone).
  
• iOS & Blackberry 10 are great systems with their own logic (even if it may not suit everyone).
  
• Android is an established system with its own logic. The only reason why I don't call it great is that I think they made some very poor design choices, like putting some important controls (like the swipe down status bar or app headers) at the top, making it impossible to use with one hand. That's also the reason why I don't want some UI things to be inspired by Android - not because "it's Android", but because I think that good UI is something that Android severely lacks. But people use it, even though I often see Android users struggle with it as well - but there's little to no alternative, so they just put up with it.

Anyways, systems have their own logic and paradigms that work well for their use case. But if you try to put different features from different systems without thinking, it will likely end up in a mess. The fact that some other system has some good feature does not necessarily mean you can just take it and put it in your specific design flow.

EDIT: Not to just trash Android - it has a very nice widget area. But you can't just take it and put it in SailfishOS as it is.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

I would argue that it is their paranoia. I may have pointed it out 5x in my whole life but try counting the "too Android-like", "not unlike", bla bla bla moaning in any single random thread on TJC ;)

The rest of your post is 100% true. I agree that SFOS 2.0 has lost some of the consistency of SFOS 1.0. No arguing against that. I would argue though that what it has lost in consistency it gained in usability so it is on the right path, even if not quite there yet.

I would also argue that things like memory management, global cut&paste and 200+ bugs and missing features reported on TJC are more important but Jolla seems more inclined to fiddle with the UI (OK, they seem to have fixed some OOM issues now, kudos to them).

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

It can of course be done, however it's also something that increases the possibility of bypassing the lock code, like happened with Android not so long ago:

http://sites.utexas.edu/iso/2015/09/...screen-bypass/

Is it relevant source of concern, that I guess depends on who you ask.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

Indeed, way to many resources have gone into the UI changes that are 2 step forward one step back. Hopefully it will pay of in the big plan picture some how. I am more excited about Fairphone working with Sailfish OS than I am about the Sailfish 2.0 for the moment.

Considering peek feature one of the most beautiful showcase and useful parts of Sailfish it is strange that this hasn't been fixed yet in 2.0.0.10:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...e-running-app/

2.0.0.10 OOM behavior has clearly improved but also in that field things went from ok to worse to ok again.
If Jolla was to fix the big UI inconsistencies nodevel and other people are describing in a nicely detailed way things could get back on track towards implementing usability features and spoils we knew back on Maemo / Harmattan.

Re: Sailfish 2.0.0 Saimaa
 

example i find better this flow that you have described about notification and toggles. i find them very consistent, so de gustibus..
only thing i miss is settings shortut in toggles