Jolla at Slush 2015
 

Jolla's co founder and chairman Antti Saarnio is doing a speak Slush 2015 on thursday 11:40-12:00!

http://www.slush.org/agenda/

My girlfriend has a pass to get in.. Little bit jelly..:D

EDIT
For me(and you who is somehow not able to participate actual event) hopefully here will be live stream: http://www.slush.org/live-draft/

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have to say I lost interests in what he says. Action is needed now!

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Let her come back with answers ;)

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Yeah it seems the vocal minority feel the same.

Given the vague promise that we would see a new phone before the end of 2015, if they don't announce one at SLUSH this week I do wonder how many people will give up on Jolla altogether.

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For sure if they talk, they gonna announce something and I am pretty sure that it is a phone but depends if they announce a phone from Jolla (the hw company exists now?) or only confirm the phone from Intex possibly coming to Europe also...
at least something in the code: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/...rge_requests/7
but L500D does not seem that informative to me :p

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Yeah if they don't announce something interesting hardware-wise on Thursday, I may have to bow out of my 6-year journey through the Maemo dreamscape.

The Jolla I have now has always been a bit of a disappointment hardware-wise coming from the N9, which for me is still the pinnacle of the "family", although let down for today's usage by service-rot and lack of misc bits and bobs. I realise the J1 was a bit of a compromise and a last-minute rush through an ODM. I hope that the J2, having been hopefully crafted with plenty of time, will be the full realisation of what Jolla actually wants to build with a phone.

We shall see.

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Oh good you people still hopes for a new Jolla Phone? CMON! ain't gonna happen!!!

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If it's of any interest the Jolla developers seem to be referring to the current phone as "Jolla 1" in the git repo. I hope there is a Jolla 2, but for me it's not important. I'm waiting on software not new hardware.

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At the moment it seems that other manufacturers will release Sailfish phones before Jolla. Intex is likely to be first. Puzzle Phone is possible candidate, rumour has it that Jolla is helping with the porting. Yota phone has announced that they switch to Sailfish, but hard to say how it goes now that the ownership is slipping from Russia to China.

As the Jolla has not yet any other (official) than their own hardware running Sailfish, they might try to keep up momentum and interest by releasing yet another gadget with Sailfish. We now have a phone and a tablet (of the latter there are enough specimens to prove that is not just my daydream, now I just dream about receiving mine).

Maybe the next Jolla hardware is not a phone, but a drone, or a blueray player or perhaps a WiFi router running Sailfish instead of DD-WRT. Or perhaps a super computer? That would surely knock my socks off.

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The hw company has already existed for a year: Jolla Mobile Oy, Business ID 2644312-5, ID given 09/26/2014, Main line of business: Manufacture of communication equipment (26300).

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Not likely given the lack of Fortran support. ;)

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There might be no fortran, but python is still sailing strong afaik ;)

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Yep, it is more likely a smart watch or smart car if they follow the latest trends :)

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Predictions
1. Fairphone 2 will come with Sailfish beginning of next year
2. Securephone for authority use (police, government,etc. use)
3. Jolla HW company will start The-other-half phone crowdfunding
4. Intex release info for 2016
5. Tablet hype that it is already send for first users


one more thing...
!! Sailfish will become totally open during this year !!

;)

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Nokia Sailfish phone announcment? :p probably not I guess :D

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I got in and watching Antti live! Excited!

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So, nothing today basically.
Whoops, tablet's late (we know that).
Partnership with Intex (we know that) but no announcements from them with regards to new hardware or anything.
And a startup accelerator program, which sounds great, but probably not what we're interested in on this forum.

So what of Jolla Hardware Division? Is that still a thing? Or are we just all about Intex now?

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The interesting part was that Intex will expand to western markets. Probably this means that there will not be another Jolla-branded device coming. It would be a sensible choice as they admitted they are too small to compete and scale up in device manufacturing.

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I already expected to be able to buy the Intex device here in the UK when it came out, but I guess confirmation and proper "expansion" is good.

But I'd really like to know, given Jolla Hardware Division is allegedly a thing, what is the nature of their involvement with Intex?
Is it a co-created device, with Jolla suggesting hardware features that play to the OS (e.g. AMOLED screen for LPM, curved edges for swipe ... stop me if you've heard this before / got an N9) or is it just hardware adaptation assistance, and the device form factor / features are dictated by Intex?

I'm trying to find someone who took a picture of the Intex slide on twitter but noone bothered (loads of all the other slides) - make of that what you will.

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Any link to the video for those who missed it?

About the Intex device: as far as the specs I have seen around are true, it does not look like a viable upgrade on the current Jolla phone. I am sure it will run Sailfish fine, but unless I break my phone I do not think I would rush to buy a new one with those specs.

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From a business POV this is gold imho :D
Turning past flaws ("learnings" according to Jolla) into an opportunity is the best they could do with the current situation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspen...-launch-slush/

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Pinning my hopes on Intex and Fairphone then. Hopefully either will provide an upgrade to my aging jolla. Wouldn't want to buy a phone that isn't running sailfish >_<.

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I don't know, I have quite mixed feelings about the presentation.

First, the Intex going global announcement is very big! Even if some misunderstood the previous announcement and expected Intex to send the phones abroad, it certainly wasn't the case.
Supporting a new OS globally is a huge task and a challenge - every repair service center can help you with Android or iOS, whatever the manufacturer is, but training repair centers for a new OS and handling customer complaints such as "the internet didn't work, so I came to my service provider, but they said they can't help me, because they have never seen the system I'm using. I am never going to buy anything from Intex again and I'm gonna tell all my friends about it and warn them as well!" is very, very difficult.
So this is a game changer.


On the other hand, the Jolla Adventures initiative seems quite worrying. To me, it is pretty much an announcement of highest Jolla leadership leaving to pursue other challenges. All they do is borrowing the Jolla name to help their new company (is it a company?). Even JollaHQ on twitter refers to it an "Antti Saarnio et al initiative", not "Jolla initiative". If they announced they are shifting focus from Jolla, it would hurt both them and Jolla, so this seems like a creative way to put it. Or maybe I'm just too sceptical and reading too much of it...

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lets make fairphone heard our voice ,if we are a lot they will consider licensing sailfish i guess...

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i am quite worried remembering that Stefano mosconi on twitter zzzste have been always talking about startups and new company for a long time

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Watched the livestream and I have to say I am disappointed (but unfortunately not surprised).

First of all, let me say I am not ragging on Jolla. I think their achievement in releasing a phone and tablet running their own OS has been outstanding. Unfortunately for them, they are competing against tech giants like Apple, Google and Microsoft, companies who have 100x the budget, money and resources that Jolla have. The fight was not fair, but the sad thing is that the tech industry isn't fair either.

The sad fact is that 2 years from the release of the Jolla phone, we are not in a good place. The Sailfish phone has only sold a small 5 digit number of devices and interest has completely tailed off (excluding the current users here who are eager for a replacement). The Jolla tablet has been a nightmare. Originally supposed to be available in May, the vast majority of folks are still waiting. You can tell by the comments form Jolla that getting into hardware was something they regret. At the same time though, if they don't make a device to showcase Sailfish - then who will?

I feel a little sorry for people here. Every tiny little engagement with a third party is getting trumpeted up. An off-hand comment from the Russian government, failed Yotaphone speculation, some unofficial talk with Fairphone. Nothing substantial has come out of this. The last hope seems to stem from this Intex engagement. The fact that Jolla seem to be placing the future of Sailfish into the hands of a second rate Indian manufacturer (an Indian friend of mine says Intex is even worse than Micromax) doesn't fill me with confidence. I get the feeling we will see one more Jolla phone, it will run budget hardware and although it will be cheap - it won't do enough to revive interest.

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So, what we need to do is apply to Antti & Sami's slush fund to resource up a Sailfish software development company since they're far too busy to realise that's where they should be spending their money in the first place.

Who's in? I'll draw up a pitch on this envelope here.

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if you want a better Jolla phone why not just get a Nexus 5 and use the community port? Its my daily driver, has a quad core 1080p screen and 2gig of ram. It works perfectly.

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Saarnio said that compared to Jolla phone the Intex phone has more ram and bigger and higher resolution screen.

http://mobiili.fi/2015/11/12/jollan-...aitekehitysta/

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As far as I understood, they're going to let the community get the port going, but step in at the end to get it over the final yard and potentially work out licensing for the HERE/Android bits, but that was a bit unclear. That's a bit of a nebulous promise to pin too many hopes on. Plus not much word about ongoing support after (if) it launches.

Plus the Fairphone 2 hardware, while admirable, doesn't really entice me much as an upgrade from the J1. 2G RAM would be nice in order to placate the android runtime and OOM killer I guess.

With the Android layer? Legally licensed word completion and HERE maps?
Without the Android layer, for my uses, Sailfish on J1 is just a worse version of the N9.

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Also stated that they want to continue HW business, but split is yet to be completed as it needs approval from share holders.

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Yup, and his twitter profile doesn't mention the CTO title anymore.

And curiously doesn't seem to be 'aboard' either with this Jolla Adventures business (no mention of him in the web page and no tweets yet about JA from him).

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those two are missing. but i suppose it depends what applications you want from android market. i dont really need any extra apps so the setup works for me.

although hear maps would be nice.

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...and it runs Android apps?

The community ports are starting to get pretty good but without an Android layer, Sailfish is not viable for many.

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Near the end of the video (3:22) you can see a glimpse of the Intex phone:

http://www.digitoday.fi/data/2015/11...a/201514931/66

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i cant see it can you make a screen capture?

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I can do better(or worse) than that here is a gif:

http://i.imgur.com/hPsyYyG.gif

But you can't see much.

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Not much to see as it's visible only for couple of seconds. But looks like TOH-concept is still there. Poppy red TOH on otherwise black device, so design language doesn't seem to differ much from current Jolla phone. Not thinnest device out there.... technically it should be superior to Jolla phone with better and bigger display and more RAM, but chipset is still unknown.

Another thing mentioned in that interview is confirmation that Jolla wants to have more Jolla branded devices for fans in the future, but the confirmation about new HW company etc. comes from share holders meeting, which is scheduled to happen in about one month. Also, they may be cooperating with Intex in manufacturing their own branded devices, which seems like reasonable choice.

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Who the heck holds a phone like that?

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You mean better and smaller display, surely? ;-)