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Mer continues as usual.

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@Stskeeps
Looking forward to reading your new ideas :p

Could you please let us know about one project you had with Jolla which is the open sourcing of SFOS. Is the project near completion, abandoned? Can you say something?

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yes, reveal all the secrets

https://media.giphy.com/media/SdzqEPdTx9cha/giphy.gif

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Come on, people, he already has. What more do you want? ;)

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Makes sense and I wish you good luck and fun!

About supporting Jolla: are you going, just like others and myself, to (continue) using Jolla as your primary telephone?

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It's much more fun to run around with something that says "I MADE THIS" than yet another they-all-look-the-same.

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Somebody has to say this... good luck in your new endeavours and THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH!!

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Of course then also somebody has to post this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefP0_ZM-Lw

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So actually you use the Jolla! Great, thanks for your answer.

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Once you go Jolla, you never go back.

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Admit your are working for Apple. Dillon at slash with iPhone.

Thank you for your work and hope you have some time to blog and post here.

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Never would want to work there.

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Why? Never say never. Just imagine the prototyping you would be able todo. The resorces. Build next gen Oses that evolves by itself. SkyNet 1.0

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For the occasion, some rum and the good old times...

http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/jo...5c-in-finland/

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@HtheB, are you sure? Yes the C?Os will carry wheelbarrows of it back home every week but I am not sure regular employees will. Or even irregular ones like Stskeeps.

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I know the CoreOS security researcher at Apple, and believe me, he's rich....

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More than one, less than a trillion?

Does the "richness" really matter?

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Not really. But it helps from time to time. At least that's what I heard.

http://iphone.appleinsider.com/artic...-total-volumes

Wonder how much Jolla earns per device. 100 Eur? The new iPhone plus cost around $1250 where I'm so sure Apple makes around 50% profit on it so Their employees should get some money before the shareholders takes the big cake.

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If capitalism was working then AAPL employees would be the best paid around, with a cool $200B in the bank it's not like they can't afford it.

Good to hear you're pursuing your ideas Stskeeps! I'm sure whatever it is you'll be fighting the good fight for open source, privacy, and freedom.

Evidently Jolla needs to mature into a money making machine, rather than continue to be an investment backed speculation engine.

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I would be very surprised if it were that much.

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At this point it's closer to 169 euro, no? It's all stock, so either they pay for warehouse to house those, or get that 169 euro instead (no advertising budget at this point, factory finished its run, maybe DHL gets a cut of it)

ok, there is still exchange license and myriad probably still takes a cut from each phone, but 150?

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They had to pay to make them in the first place, did they not?

But yeah, we are in the speculation land. Again. Ho hum. I'll get me coat.

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If Jolla employees used their own product as their primary phone, the company would have folded long ago. For most of its life it's been about as useful as a brick from a business perspective. Not greatly better even now.

But then again, if they used their own product, then maybe some of the ridiculously long-lived absent features or bugs would have been remedied sooner and with some sense of urgency ...

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I have to disagree... my Jolla would be much better than my Android phone at work - proper IMAP4 email client that actually deletes/moves emails when I do it on the phone, as opposed to Android's client which can only deal with 25 emails at a time and seldom synchronises them; native caldav support, as opposed to none from Android; native carddav support, as opposed to none from Android; native XMPP support, as opposed to none from Android.

Admittedly, some of the features were added relatively recently to SFOS, but that's much better than never or "you have to download an \o/ app \o/ that will store your password on some obscure server and give you a completely different user experience just because".

If you're wondering whether I work for a smallish company that uses all these open protocols, you have every right to do so as most small companies won't rely on m$'s email/directory services; but you would be wrong in my case. So, the Jolla is pretty good for big and small businesses, so long as they don't use heavily customised stuff such as google email and whatnot.

EDIT and PS: I learned my lesson and will move to iOS, which is far superior in terms of business than Android; sadly, my company doesn't offer Jolla as a business phone.

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The Jolla e-mail client is a total POS, from every perspective. Speed, UI, lack of features, bugs? CalDAV / CardDAV - a more than year long and still extremely inconsistent 'beta'?

What's more, there's no alternative. It's only beaten by the Browser in terms of being bare bones.

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Nothing is perfect, but have you checked the competition and are you going to tell me that Android is better at providing 1/4 of the features that I least I use?

If we bring iOS into the picture, things get slightly better, although they don't have XMPP, the email address has one or two more features, but crashes constantly (or at least did when I used it last...), consumes all the battery in PUSH mode. caldav/carddav was ok-ish - at least I can go and hack the config in SFOS.

Overall, I prefer Sailfish, or I wouldn't mind giving BB a go, but if I'll be married to them for the next 2 year contract I'd rather be with something I know better, so my options would be SFOS > iOS >>>>>>>>>>> Some old Palm if I can find it > Android

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I have to disagree. Or rather agree with the first half but disagree with the "from every perspective" part. The email client is indeed very barebone and has some missing features and glaring faults, but what little it does it does quite well. Not exactly "good" but "good enough". The only thing that I really miss is the totally messed up folder management.

Please note that unlike Browser, Email is not a core application. The phone came without it. The way I read it is that Jolla has provided it only because they had to, but they would rather someone else who knows how to write email clients write a better one. That it has not happened in two years is Jolla's fault only partially, by failing to make the platform attractive enough to professional app developers.

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Disagree fully here. Email, as it stands, is a part of the perks that come with the Internet. It's a part of communication and participation.

It's an essential part of the Internet. The rise of social media is just an altered form of email - it still is just a message to/fro individuals, but are more public. Anything grander in discussion than that is just semantics. It's a way to address a person or party, respond. And it should be a core part of any Internet accessible device that facilitates communication.

Third party support should have been pursued more heavily. That gap is starting to be a problem now instead.

Agree here. But Jolla provided the platform, the marketing provided the words, the 3rd party support should have been chased down, the geeks argued about... well, whatever they wanted to argue about (shell, browser, vi, other ********). Momentum was wasted in my estimation, no matter who you wish to blame.

How to fix now? Participation and understanding that a platform that fits our want for freedom is right there, but it needs participation and actually resolving problems as encountered and finally learning how to think about other use cases that don't fit your need but are as important as your own personal uses. Folks think only of themselves too damn much (i.e. "It's not a problem for me") and it's showing.

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That makes it "important", "inevitable", "essential", bla bla bla, but not "core".

I could not find any official definition of a "core application" so maybe it is not the best term I could use but IMO a core application is something the OS cannot live without. Not necessarily something the user cannot live without.

Admittedly Jolla's choice of core applications seems rather random. To this day I do not understand why you cannot unistall Tutorial.

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Because it's not important to you? No... without email, there was no participation, communication on the Internet for many. In fact - and I'm showing my age here - I remember usenet via trn as being the first time I interacted with people. Then email via pine. Then browsing the web via Mosaic. In that order... to me, a browser is not core. But it is to many, so I'll allow it. To you, email is not core... we disagree and it's not even the first thing I think of in regards to core usage of the Internet.

Core is subjective, agreed. But going back to 1993, it's been at the core of usage for people. The new ways to use - such as your iOS example - is just... well, disregarding decades prior. What is important to you is not essentially a determiner of what's important to all. Same goes for me.

I disagree with you. Last I checked, that is allowed. Core applications for the Internet are steeped in communication. Email is one of many ways to do just that.

That annoys me too.

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I think we're straying off the topic a bit.

ggabriel, I have quite a different experience from you in relation to Jolla's support of IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV but I'll leave that for another thread maybe.

On Android however, I can thoroughly recommend Marten Gajda's CalDAV/CardDAV sync apps, particularly SmoothSync. Utterly flawless support, native and they cost less than a semi-fancy coffee. Jolla should just get him to sort out their *DAV and sync cluster****.

And I'd kill for an email client as good as AquaMail on Sailfish.

Who cares about native support when you've got 3rd party developers like that?

Not that either of those are going to happen given Jolla's lacklustre progress and developer-hostile stance. I know Slush is more of a startup/investor kind of event but it was devoid of any really encouraging signs of product progress.

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I mentioned three synonyms of "important" in the very post you quoted. I give up, I'm out of here.

PS1: It's not I who considered Email not a core app, it's Jolla. It was their decision to ship the phone without it.

PS2: If you weren't so preoccupied with latching on to trivia, you would have noticed that I was defending Jolla.

PS3: Sorry, that's all. Now I am definitely out of here.

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Sigh.

I agree; this is going off-topic, so I'll stop it here.

My main concern is threefold:

• Jolla has produced a platform, feel free to join. Or sit back and do nothing but critique everything. That's been going on for far too long.
• What's important to whomever needs to be collective, not just all about some egocentric push to make your one voice heard more than others. Tired of that mindset.
• The discussion of folks that have left the company has taken precedence over what can be done as a community to continue those efforts. Instead, the community will do just like MeeGo and Maemo; react once it becomes too late and then scramble to get something up in a very unorganized way. Tired of that too.

Jolla at Slush 2015 has an outreach program that is trying to harvest new ideas in growing markets.

And Jolla's email program sucks...

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EDIT : problem is, will we still be able to contribute after this switch at the top?

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Which is fine but if they want to harvest new ideas in growing markets, they shouldn't neglect to water their houseplants while away. Perhaps leaving the keys with their local community might be a good idea.

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The same way you leave your home door unlocked when you go on a vacation? ;)

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Who's to say that's not the case? It seems as if their invitations to any input/ideas are still open to all. They're extending to Asia now.

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Is it possible to find somewhere video of Antti Saarnio speech from SLUSH 2015 ?

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It might be that your concept od a "business phone" is different from mine, maybe you are referring to "running a business" or "being an executive" or some other silly things as business use?

To me my "business" means my job, which is software development. I have been using the Jolla device as my only daily phone since it came out, which is about 2 years this month if I recall correctly. And I am doing fine.

The most important things to me from my business perspective are the following features: (sorted in a rough ordr of importance)

• placing and receive phonecalls
• sending and receiving SMS messages
• alarm clock
• working hours tracker
• email
• calendar
• browser
• ssh client
• ability to automatically record phonecalls
• notepad
• voice recorder
• local public transport application

The Jolla device has all of these, and is very good at the things it provides. I do not understand why some people bash the browser, email and calendar.
The browser opens all the pages I need, I have found that only video-filled pages do not work but I do not need youtube at work. :)
The email is barebones but works well.
The calendar is barebones but works well.