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I don't like the headphone audio over bluetooth part of the device. I hope they will release a device with 3.5mm Jack in the future.

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hmmm he didnt use fingerprint scanner, although it was there...

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Not a trend I like. But for their success, let's hope that they produce a smaller phone and let's see if it catches on or stays a want and empty rhetoric.

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Apple is doing smaller phones now so in a few years those pocket laptops will be gone again, I think.

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The fact that Apple is being used as a the measuring stick as to what is acceptable shouldn't bother me... but it does.

In the end, it just shows that a lot of other companies have forgotten how to be innovative and are quick to follow popular trends. Smaller phones leading to smaller devices... so welcome back to 2007 again?

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You have to give them props for creating a cult so strong that no matter what happens, those who enter will never leave. Sad, but mighty impressive nonetheless.

Come to think of it, they're a bit like the Jehovah's Witnesses of technology.

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I own Apple products. I'm not sure they're as cultish as folks make them out to be - a lot of their owners are just rather sheepish yet it's rather undeniable that they did bring to the forefront: design, user experience, build quality and of course... marketing.

What is a serious cult to me is how exclusive some of these esoteric choices are that push (think: Morton's Fork) users to think that their (the accuser) option is the best option because it shows some level of knowledge that is lacking in other choices. Personally, the push to make something simple like personal computers that are now rather ubiquitous and the necessary hardware to support that choice into rarified territories is really a waste of my time.

Simply stated: I'm technology agnostic. I'm rather apathetic as to whatever choices that people scream for/against/with - they're all tools in the end that can do what is required to meet your user and/or business goals. I support whatever I want to. And I tend to dislike trends - I supported Maemo, MeeGo and Sailfish. I like choice.

Most of them, I've compared them to the Heaven's Gate (Hale-Bopp) folks. And I state that as a MacBook Pro and iPad owner.

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this was my first think too :D

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True. Labeling it as a cult mostly ignores the fact that Apple products are usually very well thought out and executed. Compared to Android phones:

- Apple's SoC is superior to just about anything, both in raw performance and low power consumption
- This enables Apple to create compact, yet extremely powerful devices with decent battery life, there is simply no competition here at the moment
- Because all software updates are in Apple's hands, fixes come through to older models also (AFAIK they are still updating iPhone 4S, which was launched in 2011...), whereas many Android manufacturers stop providing software updates quite fast. This is serious problem.
- Because there are limited number of device models, there are some special apps that can be easily adopted and calibrated to them, IE frequency analyzer we used to tune PA-systems...

It's of course walled garden, but it does have it's benefits. I'm not sure how Jolla planned to manage software updates in multi-manufacturer environment but I do hope they have thought out how to avoid the mess Android is in because of unwillingness of manufacturers to publish updates. Otherwise talk about security soon(tm) becomes more or less meaningless.

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2003! And there was me stuck with my nokia 6600 :p

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2003?!
Dude... It was released back in October 2011...
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4s-4212.php

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Oops... mistyped... and forgot the year also. :D Now corrected.

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Quite right.

Also, the "support" for older Apple products is rather questionable. Apple is quite famous for dropping support for older*) models at the drop of a hat. And even in cases when a new version of iOS is available for an older device, I have heard too many horror stories about people turning a perfectly working device into a snail crawling through treacle by foolishly accepting the update.

*) Read: older than the current newest model on the market.

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Considering how MS/Nokia dropped support for Harmattan, Symbian Belle on 808 before their promised time (2016), and then followed by some WP7 device (Elop 900?) which can not upgrade to WP8 after launched for just 4 months, and then some newer Elop 1020 etc stuck on WP8 not going to Win10... I think apple is doing a good job here now... Although what you stated is absolutely correct.:p

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwhmZRT9HoA

Doesn't look like unusable to me. Apple does mistakes at times and even their updates are not always perfect but they usually fix things quickly. Also, show me Android manufacturer that delivers latest Android versions to devices manufactured in 2011. Nokia never did it with Maemo or MeeGo, newest releases were always bound to new device and with Symbian they updated when they changed to rolling release, if my memory serves me right, Apple was the first one or at least one of the first phone manufacturers to deliver new software versions to older devices. Nokia followed the suit with Windows Phone to some degree, but that's another sad story...

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I wouldn't really enjoy having to wait multiple seconds for the keyboard to open. I get frustrated when this sometimes happens on my Jolla phone for whatever reason, not really because I'm in such a hurry but because a phone shouldn't struggle with one of the only two things it's supposed to do right. The keyboard and the messaging application should probably be held in memory at all times, like the calling application. Of course, with only 1GB RAM, this wouldn't leave a lot of options for other applications to run concurrently. Looking it up, the iPhone 4S apparently only had 512 MB RAM, so it does seem to work alright.

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Hmm... The device: https://t.co/X4Z5qWYFQR
Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/LiKimmo/s...81989040447488

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True, however it's not uncommon when some app is launched for the first time. In that video there was noticeable delay when keyboard was opened for the first time after reboot and opening messages. After that it was noticeably faster and in general the device is quite usable. Jolla struggles with these things when OOM-killer kicks in after some heavy usage and it can be very frustrating at times. Reboot helps, usually I reboot after one or two weeks uptime.

iPhone 5S with 1GB RAM works very fast and is pleasant to use in that regard. Having decent performance with slower SoC and 512MB RAM is not bad at all, using up to date software. In that regard it looks like there's still much to optimize in Sailfish. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Sailfish works with better SoC and increased RAM.

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vaporware turns into not a complete-scam-ware...thats a thing i swear haha

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Finnish Broadcasting Company (Yle) had 20min interview with Steve Chao.

Taxfree price of the phone will be ~600$

Google translated article and video

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I'm sure that guy in the video came round selling windows the other day.

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With that price I would certainly go for FP2 or even Intex.

A more than $720 (plus 20% VAT in UK here...) phone without storage expansion and battery replacement, no thanks. I would prefer buying 4 Intex phones with that money. At least I would have 4 batteries to swap with or buying 3 phones + 200 GB SD card.

3GB ram is certainly appealing, but a 3GB to 2GB difference is definitely not as big as 2GB to 1GB difference.

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Interesting news :) And the no more pre-orders bit too.
https://www.facebook.com/turingrobot...30149583698230

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And if you read the comments:

So we might see it in May?

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Here is the email :)

I'm still little sceptic..

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Pricey, but tempting. I actually hope some success for them as it should also help Jolla via Sailfish licensing.

600 sans taxes is roughly 800 incl taxes here in Jolla landia. Perhaps my wallet can accommodate it when it hits the shelves or is otherwise available to everybody. But a bit expensive as a toy, I haven't even given up my N900 yet.

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Yup the same email just showed up here.

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According to the reply Turing is giving people on their FaceBook page it sounds like we should be able to order the Turing Phone in June.

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Hope so, my J1 isn't as snappy as it used to be, suffering lots of OOM related app kills

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That's interesting. For me it's quite the opposite. I had a lot of OOM issues last year but do not remember a single one since the upgrade to Saimaa, to the point that this post has made realize that I had completely stopped being careful (closing applications & browser tabs etc). Admittedly I do not use AD.

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OOM kicks in easily if AD is activated, but it still better than it was at the time Qt version was upgraded. If AD takes about half of RAM, it shouldn't be a surprise that there are OOM issues. My device has begun to suffer from complete freezing of UI at times when under heavy use, also audio stuttering is quite bad at times (for example when playing tracks from Spotify though bluetooth after ending a call, or at time when using HERE for navigation).

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https://together.jolla.com/question/...wmemorykiller/

Well, this one helped me a lot, in case of oom. Also I edited a couple of files, to make these values last after reboot. I think its worth at least trying.

example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cdi1rlmh1m...20111.jpg?dl=1

Here maps, Pou (:D ), Opera mobile, Aptoide store, Shazam, WPS office, Firefox, Angry birds Rio and video still playing in background from LLS player (paused because of screenshot app) :) Of course, there is a slowdown, but no crashes.

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picture show us a android os or somting else, but not sailfish. Batteriestatus is right on top like on android. On Sailfish is it left on top (SFOS 2.0.2 too)
A Store is open on Picture and you see the Statusbar on top. With SailfishOS you cant see the Status if you open Play Store or other apps

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It's the same UI they showed before the switch to sailfish. Best case is that they ported the UI. In the video last year it looked fairly similar to sailfish so a port might be plausible. More likely they just reused an old publicity image. Given how close it is to launch it's not a good sign if they don't have lots of prototypes to use in photos, but fingers crossed anyway...

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Who noticed:
This, from
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news...erproof-716303
The github or sourceforge for this Aemaeth appears to be very difficult to locate.
I presume that makes it unhackable,
just like they said in the advertising.

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I see people are still suspending disbelief.

It's funny that this factory they've supposedly restarted from a mothballed state, with ~200 workers, there has been no sign of activity whatsoever reported at the site by any of the (rightly very sceptical) Finnish dailies.

I guess they fly all the staff and equipment in under cover of darkness by helicopter?

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What 200 workers?

Google translate from Finnish article:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

TRI employs are currently fourteen employees. Finnish CEO to be appointed by the first of May. Chao believes that the end of the year, employees may be about a hundred.

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They earlier claimed to have more than 150 workers ... and how does production start in June or July at a mothballed factory when you have 14 workers in March / April?

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Well, with a different interface they aren't really using Sailfish at all.