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@bundyo
Sure I will! :) It is really amazing, as 10 minutes before he called I was cursing that pre-orders are over! :P One never knows what is intended for him!

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It's very possible and easy to get Google Play Store on an Jolla device, but it's totally without Google's allowance/permission.

heh... as if they'd get Google's blessing for that. Let's see how this plays out...

http://www.gerbick.com/images/popcorn.gif

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I wonder if they plan to use a previously obtained GMS license for when they were still on Android.

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Speculating here... you'd almost think that would no longer be the case the second the core OS is not Android.

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Wut?

One needs Goggle's allowance to use/install Play Store???
Then I am a bad guy as I just put those apks on my device to give this thing a bit of use for my children.

NB: I never thought of that as I would believe they are happy to infiltrate as much devices as possible ...

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Individuals can do pretty much as they please, but to bundle Google services (on commercial product) I guess one needs to have some kind of permission. AFAIK Google has some strict rules for that.

This is getting better and better.... :)

Here's something about it...

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ds-open-source

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Also this one:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/...ans-necessary/

It quite nicely describes how Google incrementally abandons open source apps and components and moves stuff into their proprietary Google Apps - including APIs!

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True. That's what may become a major hinderance in the future.

In principle, it might be possible to get GMS licensed to Sailfish/Alien Dalvik, as long as it can pass CTS: http://source.android.com/compatibility/cts/index.html

Another option would be to just install them and wait for someone to file a lawsuit. :)

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IMO they just slapped Sailfish OS 2.0 on top of their existing specs page

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As makeclick says above, I suspect that UI bit was valid when they were talking about shipping it with Android and just forgot to take it down when they switched to Sailfish.

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You may not like it as a user but what would you do if you were Google?

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According to replies in TJC, Turing will reopen pre-orders this month:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...r-sailfish-os/

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Who Will play on this gambling site?

The Phone looks cool. But is it cool in the real world?

IF you planning to place a bet, please raise you hand so I can understand how you Are thinking.

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The magnetic charger reminds me of the HP Veer which had something similar. It also had wireless charging and the connector had 2 different adapters, one for audio and one for USB data/charging. Interesting as long as replacements are inexpensive.

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The Veer had a good reason as it was microscopic though and there wasn't really room, is there actually any good reason for this magnetic thing on this massive phone? I would guess there's some security handwaving going on, but if there's an adaptor then that's pointless. Does anyone know if it was detailed elsewhere?

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They wrote on their Facebook page that it was for security and less possible for water intrusion.

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Which is nonsense.

Sony have been including waterproof headphone sockets on their phones for years and also magnetic power connections up until recently where they've now ditched the mag connector for waterproof micro USB. Previously the USB port was only waterproof with a flap with a seal around it's edge.

Rumour has it the next model is waterproof USB-C as Sony has also released USB-C memory sticks.

I've a Z1c and a Z3c tablet and can attest to the waterproof abilities of those. I ride a bike in all weathers with a Z1c on the handlebar and it's been totally waterproof except for when I pulled the mag connector out. The connector is stuck on with what looks like double sided tape. I stuck it back with 'Stormsure' tent glue.

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Sony have a whole pile of cash to come up with that stuff though. I wouldn't expect a kickstarter to be able to keep up with all that.

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I am getting really tired of this "but they are a startup" excuse. A startup cannot use an off-the-shelf component?

To be fair, before aegis' post, I also assumed that they used a non-standard connector to achieve water protection but once you know what to look for, you find hundreds of existing solutions. No need to reinvent the wheel.

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Dang it... I can no longer find it but isn't this basically the 3 year project originally named Quasar IV or something?

Edit: Found it... he promised that he'd give those backers back in 2013 or so two of these phones for their investments.

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I guess without refund still?

Hope jolla Isnt involved in this...and that he is trying this scam on his own.

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(If this phone is vaporware, none of the following matters at all.)

I personally don't mind the idea of moving away from micro usb, not just for water resistance. (For me, water resistance isn't really in my top 10 priorities, but it wouldn't hurt.) Micro USB charging/syncing has as its primary advantage, IMO, its ubiquity, which was its purpose in the first place. It's far from ideal, though. I see the biggest pluses of Turing's connector choice to be the magnetic connection like Apple's. When I trip over my wife's macbook or iPhone power cable in the dark, it falls off, usually without drama. When I trip over my phone cable in the dark, it goes flying across the room, ports get bent a little, stuff sometimes breaks, heart rate soars. Plus, I find it way too easy to stupidly try cramming the plug in upside down and munging up both plug and jack a little in the process. (Looks like USB-C solves this issue, if I'm properly informed.)

The obvious disadvantage of going with a proprietary or less common connector of course is not being able to borrow a friend's charger or easily replacing a dead one in a hurry. Apple solves this by being huge. So many iPhones out there if you need a replacement it's no further than the impulse counter at the grocery store. That would not be the case with the Turingphone charger.

So if I were Turing, and I were marketing just to me, I'd emphasize those advantages above over the water resistance. But there may also be a reason I'm not in marketing. Maybe if I were I'd just look for a nice waterproof USB-C.

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Interesting. Looks like Steve Chao is now SYL Chao. Fresh start? Or maybe he just decided to lose his "nerd name".

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Presumably that means you'd refuse the Turing Award if it was ever offered to you ...

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Quite. USB C or USB D, an off-the-shelf solution wins over a proprietary one, which looks like a feeble attempt at customer lock-in.

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Funny fact that you might miss: the Charging port, is ONLY for charging... NOT for data transfer! (Yes, you can't connect it to a pc!?)

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only wireless for data transfer?

odd choice, my year old x99 / 5820k machine doesn't have bluetooth.
a phone just for laptop'pers!

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and again, some will attack. But I honestly don't know when I used cable for anything else but charging.
But why so many pins on that one then?

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I never use Bluetooth. Never. As far as I am concerned, it is a wasted space on the chip die. I do nearly all my data transfer over SFTP. Even your old machine must support that.

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I use it a lot with transferring photos and videos. Takes a LOT longer with wireless connection.

Edit: I'm also thinking... It means that we can't flash the device at all if something happens... since there is no data connection available on that port!?.....

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If you really need it, a USB Bluetooth adapter can be had for very cheap. (Cheaper than a non-included tablet charger that I didn't need to buy for a certain tablet that never appeared. :( )

But I agree it's a curious choice to have a cord that can't carry both data and power. I too just assumed that it would. How . . . um . . . nostalgic?

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They state in the description page that it is the security concept of this phone to only allow access via proprietary connections.

It will be a proprietary piece of software running on your machine and the phone :D

http://mosushi.net/misc/gowrong.png

But i have to confess to Dave, i will place the bet out of curiosity and because it will not hurt me.
Waterproofness is definately a plus at work!
It will take the turing places that jolla was to shy for ;)

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Given that jolla fully refund all supporters, right?

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They could have gone further with this and included wireless charging, then it could have had no connections at all. Hermetically sealed. With a little cannister of mustard gas primed inside.

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Personally, no.
My threshold to spend money on crowdfundings sank drastically since i work selfemployed, live out of the suitcase in hotels all over europe and have not much time and need to spend money on common material stuff.

So crowdfunding is an ideal fit for me.
I have news on a topic that really interests me and if it succeds i can enjoy the device much more, having a history with it.

And that exactly is what i am doing already right now, sitting in a cheap hotel in Rostock, accompanied by pretty awesome mr. "2007 Müller-Ruprecht Spätburgunder", checking for your all thoughts about that turing thingy on functional kaputt hotel wifi and call it a relaxing distraction :rolleyes:

cheers!

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You dont think this is a scam?

Given the history...

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Nope ...
I'd accept the award, invest in Turing Pharmaceuticals while I'm at it...
I think they were doing a great job hiking the price of life saving drugs people needed...

I'd rather become american "just" to vote for Trump...than accept an award from a society which used the man, ostracized the man, and inevitably drove the man to a final solution ...then names an award after him...

It is about as... "honoring" of the man as ...say ...what is contemporary?...as.. wearing a "Redskins" jersey... is in fact "honoring" Native peeps here.

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I will not give an answere to not mislead anyone ;)
Chances are it is a scam, do not put any money you might miss into turing.

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Let's hope it's real. You deserve a product.

You dont even think its odd that jolla is totally quite about a new partner?

A confirmation from Jolla would atleast give some weight to the story.

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Gee, I like the Redskins. But I was wondering. I would't mind owning a Tesla. Is that ok?