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C'mon Dave, do not nail me on this...
I should have shut my mouth.
I read everything reported here closely and am not stupid :p
Sure it is not the perfectly competent sailfish release "we all waited for".
But what do you want, another marc entering the stage and promis the stars?
We have a Jolla that is on its knees and a turing that nobody really heard of but a possible decendence from another failed crowdfunding.
You expect a perfect release?
Well i don't, but again, i do not recommend this view because it is rooted in my forementioned low treshhold to spend money on entertainment i personally get from following small companies and projects development.

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I think it a perfect sailfish device. Much cooler than the jPhone. It's a bit like a mix between a batman phone and a Ubuntu edge.

But stuff must add up. And it might do in the future...

But if now word before or during MWC...it's really scamish:D

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Hhaahaahaahaha
I think Tesla wasn't tortured by society...
I would guess the moral and ethical ambiguity just isn't there for Elon's car.
But I think buying into the acceptance that willfully and knowingly ...historically degrading and / or destroying a thing, a species, a person or people...and then naming a product afterward...
That is low.
It is insult piled on top of injury.
It denigrates the value of the thing, person, or people ...
and in the end makes it ever easier to consider something of lesser or no value and do it again and again...
Nor does it elevate humanity in the doing either.
The reverse in fact.
Objectifying a thing , species, person or people make it easier not to relate ...and that much easier to destroy...

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Gee! You mean I'm doing that when I root for the Redskins? I just want them to score touchdowns and win games! But I know where you're coming from. Years ago, I remember the Redskins playing the Cowboys and their mascots would pretend to try to scalp each other. At least that was what I thought they were doing. It was pretty bad. In contrast, when growing up I remember my favorite pro wrestler was called Chief White Owl. Always thought he was cool.

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And another bit:
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/st...tg4hrbzypwow04

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Ach...
I hear you mscion..
there are alot of institutions which I used to love growing up...
seemed innocuous..harmless...hell..it was established tradition even...
but ...sadly age ...now I am more well-read, well-informed, and a more widened view of the world...
It isn't that I think that political correctness needs a police force...
I don't believe in going that far to the extreme...the other way...
but at least for myself gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere...
gotta have some principles ...
treating people like I would like to be treated is one of those lines in the sand for me...

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At least this part:

Additionally, I have come into possession of a Facebook post shared with what I assume are prospective corporate customers, in which Turing's CEO claims the company has bought a manufacturing facility ("ex-Microsoft ex-Nokia") in Finland to produce its devices.

I'm not aware of any such facility been bought or sold here. Nokia's manufacturing facilities were shut down years ago and with it went big part of contractors supplying that factory. I'm not aware of any other facility here that would be ready to build such devices in mass.

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Naw, he was all about eugenics and I can't support that.

At the end of the day, almost all of our heroes, intended or not, has a piece of them that's extremely flawed. Me? I like the characters that have embraced their evil.

Darth Vader
Dr. Doom
Boris and Natasha
Bluto
Thanos
The Undertaker
Thomas Edison

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Hehe...
I gotta admit ...
I have no prob with the good or the bad guys...
at least do it with style...with panache..
eugenics has been a hot issue for a long time...
wasn't Chaplin big on Eugenics...and HG Wells as well?
Both I like...don't care for their view though...

It very well could end up being the result of our species...
Engineering people...
It may end up being a necessity with our planet's changing nature...
and it's inevitable inability to absorb the toxin amount we are continually heaping on it...
Don't like the idea personally ..

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Oh boy. Didn't realize that! Guess I'll have to get a Chevy Volt instead. Then again, gas is pretty cheap. Maybe I'll get a monster truck.
Sorry, still don't like bad guys... Except when bad is good.

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Oh no! How can you be so insensitive? Don't you know that Volt is named after Alessandro Volta? Who was Italian! Italy is where ancient Romans lived. Who, as we all know, were evil! By supporting the name Volt, you support hedonistic lifestyle, subjugation of other nations, wholesale destruction of the environment and slavery!

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Not be an ******* ? ;-)

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Don't worry, I settled on a Monster truck which was named after Cookie Monster. A villan true to gerbick's heart, who stole and ate everyones cookies. Also inventor of cookies that suck up cpu cycles among other things...

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For me the whole Turing phone thing looks like a scam.

Just compare it to other startup - projects in the mobile sector: Take http://www.puzzlephone.com as an example: On their webpage you can easily access information

• on the team
• the funding
• postal adress and other basic information on the company
• hardware and software partners and supporters...

Things, which are all completely missing on both the turingphone AND the turing robotics company site.

Certainly all of that information does not guarantee that everything works out. Every startup may and will have drawbacks, may not fullfill promises in time or in the worst case, fail to deliver anything and your backed money is gone. But for me konwing those things is essential to judge wheter I am potentially backing a good idea with realistic perspectives, an idea by a naive person who massively underestimates the complexity of his/her project or a pure scam.

I hope that I am proven wrong, but at this stage I think that we won't see a Sailfish based - Turing phone in April or anytime soon - and that bothers me a little - eventough this whole thing is unrelated to Jolla Oy - a product with SFOS which fails to deliver shortly after what happened with the tablet might bring further desastrous publicity on the Sailfish project.

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I think it's really telling here that there has been no companion announcement from Jolla. No blog post, no press release. They've confirmed it when asked, but they're not broadcasting it.

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I'm also wary of pre-ordering a device from Turing, and will probably only buy one once I've seen others have received theirs, but I think it's more telling that Jolla haven't denied a link.

Jolla don't have the best reputation when it comes to communicating in a timely fashion, but I'm sure they'd be quick to refute any link that was false.

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Link to that confirmation please?

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Check the update at the end - Android Police are pretty reliable.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/02...-2016-promise/

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Clown show continues.

Company that lacks any credibility and some considered an outright scam drops Android at the 11th hour after existing delays, with no consultation of backers, and announces further delay ... chooses Sailfish (Jolla fresh out of bankruptcy protection and with their own catalogue of crowd-funding delivery failures), and Jolla don't comment and have been silent for more than a week now through social media and PR channels. On the latter note, to underline their total failure to engage, they've been at 37.2-37.5K twitter followers for more than a year now.

If this actually releases I'll be amazed.

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I see no confirmation from jolla there?

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Well I doubt they're lying.

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Well, but this is just some statement from some guy on some internet platform.
So if the elk with the red blinking nose sings: 'please enter your CC number and pin and I'll bring you loads of presents' you do believe him, too???

What I find again -let's say- 'strange' is that our Unlikes are not coming up soon with a statement like: ' this may be true but we cannot say right now' (so wait for a few weeks/month and then it will be solved/answered by itself).

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Android Police are generally pretty reliable. I can't see any sane reason they'd make it up - it's hardly a career making scoop.

edit - an interesting comment from the author:

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That is just another interpretation?
[Which I am going to accept anytime by each garage self-made maker. But from a company up for more than 3 years???]

But this is Dave999's scope so see this as OT and not written by me ;)

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I think I'm going to assume from now on that this whole thread is an elaborate in-joke.

I haven't figured out on what level, or who the victim is. But if I walk away smiling it can't be me, right? :p

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Your assumtion is pretty accurate.
This thread is only speculations and a joke. Nothing wrong with that. There is no victims here, not yet. So keep walking, keep smiling.

Have a nice day!

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TRI has just reiterated the previous letter on their Facebook page. They are mentioning a store, but from the wording it sure is not the Play one :) Everything else is more of the same.

https://www.facebook.com/turingrobot...84477098265479

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Signed: "Turing Phone Team | Turing Robotic Industries, Finland".

Wait, is Turing Phone Finnish? Didn't know that.

From an older press release: "Turing Robotic Industries is headquartered in San Francisco, California with the Turing Phone division in Helsinki, Finland."

According to YTJ (Finnish business information system), there's a registered company Turing Robotic Industries Oy. Its hometown is Salo (where Nokia used to manufacture phones). The postal address is c/o Asianajotoimisto Intressi Oy, a (one-man?) law firm specialized in mergers, tax matters, corporate law and contracts...

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Aha ha...the scam continues...

I think Nokia is behind this.

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sure Dave.....
http://conspiracythoughtradio.com/wp...2/Paranoia.gif

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No need to be right or wrong here, since all info is inconclusive :D

one day it's android, next day sailfish. then its google play and next day its not, One day its promised to be shipped next day its not... ;)

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What I don't get:

Turingphone is advertising a "secure" phone.

But Sailfish OS as of today is nothing secure at all: the disk is not encrypted and screenlocking is only half baked. Anyone can just connect via USB and read all data in cleatext.

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… yet there's no known malware, and afaik Sailfish is quite up-to-date with security patches for CVE's. Unlike most Androids.

Also, who knows what they have coming? Things like full device encryption don't seem to be too hard using the default Linux tooling (which does beg the question why it still isn't in our devices). And Jolla was touting extra security features from the SSH-guys. Perhaps they sold that to Turing? Indeed it remains to be seen what of that is going back upstream.

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Security via obscurity?

Any device that you can get your hands on is susceptible to exploits. The lock screens, et al... those are nice. But if I have access to a device, I'd not say that it's entirely safe by no stretch of the imagination.

Besides... where's the user rights exploits? The trojans? The browser exploits? iOS and Android have plenty of those. None so far for Sailfish.

I'd still not say it's "secure" but there's no USB connector on the Turing phone - well, there's the proprietary connector. But you're right about the lack of encryption.

Edit: Crap, didn't see the above post.

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That's a fairly tall order, how are you going to do that?

I assume you are talking about the case that user has set up the USB port in "automatic filesystem export" mode. And even in that case I think you cannot access anything if the device is locked, right?
(at least SSH via USB cannot connect to device when it is locked... I am not sure about the disk export because I don't use that.)

If you have bootlock in the device there's not possibility for Evil Maid attack either.

Just about the only way to get at some data is to remove the SD card, and if you do not have that encrypted.... well that's your problem then. :D

And BTW, this is all beside the point anyway; The rumoured "Turing Phone" if it ever exists is without USB and without SD card so those attack vectors are out-of-scope....

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Could be performance reasons or just plain lack of time. But indeed using LUKS for the encryption should be quite simple.

I kinda remember that the Jolla Tablet was supposed to have that, but who knows if it was actually implemented in the end.

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CVE patches are released only on updates and not as a patches.
If Android is more popular and thus has more malware doesn't mean Sailfish is more secure. Sailfish can run Android apps and as there is no official Google store and people are getting apk from internet shady sites - same chances to get malware as on Android.
There are vulrnabilities and malware on Linux today and thus on Sailfish.
It's not less secure than android but is not more secure as well (especially with no per app permissions support).
But yes "Android is baaaaaad!!! boooooo!!! Sailfish is more linux and this means be default is better"

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Regarding security; all security measures are only as strong as the weakest link in the system and we DO know fairly certainly that for all systems designed to be operated by humans it is always the human part.

Any security measures that are built into devices will be subverted by the users if they require to do that in order to adapt the said devices to their use patterns.

Hence I believe it is out-of-scope to try to compare which systems or devices are "by themselves" more secure; it would be more appropriate to compare which systems could be easily used as secure environment, given a hypotethical user-who-understands-security-concerns...

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If I have device encryption an the device is locked normally noone should be able to access mmy data.
Sailfish doesn't even have this possibility. That's a shame.

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Just out from interest, if you have device locked how is someone going to access your data?

The most effective way that I know is to open the device and directly access the memory chip. Mind you, it might well be popchip when you canot even get at the die witout etching open the package...
What else, maybe interface to internal serial IO or JTAG? or maybe FBUS? Do you know how to do that?