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@mosen
Thank you, it seems you searched much more than me.
But maybe I should explain what was meant: A trademark is sometime more the commercial name than the product itself. Rolex for example use the name Rolesor for a red gold compounding that doesn't change color after some time (they say). But for sure you can use the same additional materials or.at.least change a little percent of the components and sale it. But you can't call it Rolesor.
So maybe Turing can apply some similar procedure but not.call it Liquidmetal.

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It all comes down to one question regarding Liquidmorphium:

"while it is based on the work of Atakan Peker (co-creator of Liquidmorphium) , how much of this work does NOT rely on the patents owned and licensed by Liquidmetal and Apple?"

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This whole discussion just makes me wonder what the point of giving stupid names to anything remotely technology-related even is. Imagine going to a hobby shop, "hello sir can I interest you in our newest drill model, it's made of pure liquidmorphium(tm)(r)(c)". Does 'liquid' even hold any meaning anymore? Do the people responsible for these names know that a liquid is basically the one thing you don't want to associate with a phone?

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Names matter and Apple knows how to milk it. Just look at their "pressure sensitive" technology. It has been around for decades, known as "resistive". Now Apple comes along, digs it out from archives, gives it a new name and the masses swoon.

Troubles start when someone else tries to do the same. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

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Correct, let me be more clear on the difference between Trademark and Patent.
I myself own a trademark 'moSushi' being a name for the services and products i offer.

If Sushi was a patented food by say Kraft Foods, i would have to pay fees for even using the phrase Sushi.
Even more so if i prepare the food touching patented utility models, meaning it looks like Kraft Foods Sushi, prepared in an equal way or with equal ingredients.

Now TRI naming its alloy "Liquidmorphium" as a trademark may be allowed.
But they still need to prove making the alloy does not contradict other patents.

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No. Sorry. My mistake... 8M was still quite near what i've heard before... Again, sorry...

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For what I understand, the "liquid" part in various trade names given to amorphous alloys references their amorphic structure, unusual for metals (typically quite regular crystals), but common in liquids -- even apparently "solid", as glass. They have some interesting (for metals) properties, for one -- excellent thermoplasticity at relatively low temperatures, with no hard melting point (just like glass compared to steel -- there is a reason one can blow glass, but steel has to be mauled).

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They're not using resistive screens like old Nokia phones. Those used a flexible layer which you pushed against another layer creating a circuit.

Apple use a glass front with a capacitive screen and 96 strain gauges. It doesn't just know where you're pressing, it knows how hard.

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Story continues:

http://www.sss.fi/2016/03/turing-rob...n-toukokuussa/

SSS has done a short interview with Turing's CEO. According to article, new jobs at Salo will be openly advertised (hopefully that was correct translation for "avoin haku") in May, but Turing will be hiring people already before that.

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More of the same, the CEO claims that they favor people who have worked in Nokia factory previously and that the company already owns the production machinery.

http://www.tivi.fi/Kaikki_uutiset/ss...kuussa-6310366

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Read also Reviewjolla's more sceptical take:

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2016/...ish-os-in.html

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I heard some (real vague) rumours that TRI actually has already hired some old Nokia employees that used to work in prototype manufacturing. Nothing certain but this actually might become interesting in near future.

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Now also HS has a quite long article about Turing:

http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/a1457146835509

They go through the whole history of Turing and it's predecessors, QSAlpha with Quasar IV and QderoPateo with Ouidoo. QderoPateo's webpages have been apparently lately used for adult hentai stuff and selling counterfeit shoes...

Well, at least there is definitely one proven scam for Dave in article. :)

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I believe that at the factory site probably would prevail some movement, if they really want to produce in April. Can somebody living/working nearby tell us what's going on there?

And no, I'm expecting any activity there.

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Sadly,
Not much happening in Salo Finland these days,
looks like a beautiful daily commute
if there was anything to commute to...
http://weathercam.digitraffic.fi/C0251309.jpg
Wish I were there - I do miss cross-country shooshing,
and the steamy hot chocolate*Baileys/Schnapps
in a hot tub after sunset outside in the snow
under a star-studded sky bracketed only by conifers....
(not that I have ever been anywhere near Finland !
Alaska and the Northern Rockies are no substitute)

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As the following comment from TRI on their Facebook - page (comment is from 30th March) shows, delivery in April will not happen:
Our phone will ship in May. You will receive an upgrade.

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Where did you see this? I just looked at their FaceBook page and only see their latest post from Feb 25th.
And I do see some posts from people in March but Turing's responses do not say anything about postponing it until May.

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It's in the comments.

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this actually sounds like a scam :P

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Uh, that's been pretty obvious for a while now.

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To be fair to them, they haven't opened up for more orders yet.

I think they're trying to placate their backers, but (maybe like Jolla), are going about it the wrong way; instead of giving a real, honest appraisal of their status (ie rented property in Finland, hiring staff to populate said factory, and therefore probably a couple of months off shipping) they're saying, "we're nearly there".

This does no-one any favours - the backers just end up getting more pissed off when another deadline has passed, while potential buyers think "scam".

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But it's only me on N9 that could not open the official homepage www.turingphone.com, where.was published the specs?
The same if.you follow the link on www.turingroboticindustries.com, and where you can only sign in

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...1f132a25ae.jpg
didn't try to sign in ^^

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...3673237a7e.jpg

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Yes I did find this in comments to someone. But any official comments from Turing are from February.

I like how they made a comment to someone about shipping in May but no official announcement.

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Yep.

And misusing Turing's name.

And having a logo that looks like they were playing Destiny when they "designed" it... https://www.destinythegame.com/uk/en/home

Klaxons should be sounding.

Where can I pre-order this Klaxon of which you speak? Someone, take my money!

Seriously, wouldn't that be a good name for a phone? Or a band?

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Do you have the equivalent of 10 GBP plus p&p?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...laxon&_sacat=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaxon

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The band name is taken too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaxons

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Waaay off topic,
but I spend the bulk of my time working on something completely removed from tech (hobby)
and this klaxon idea certainly suggests an idea.
We all (even recently) recall and occasionally refer to
something that could be regarded as TMO's version of the Godwin rule
(a concept so sacred no one dares to add anything to it anymore)

Maybe we could create a similar application that quantifies the
raw volume and depth of BS
(what we see so much of in the quest for a linux phone)
and generates a klaxon rating.

"This is open source" vs where is the github version
"we are being honest" vs where is the corroborative news
"we are shipping next month" vs show me your manufacturing facility
etc ad nauseam

We could simply name it KLAXON,
and it would be somewhat like SAERA,
(SAERA should stay focused on truth, unsullied of course)

You could, of course, use it for anything,
beyond just determining if the next linux phone investment scheme,
needs a Panamaniac shell corp or what.

We could test it out during the US general elections,
at the least....

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According to Digitoday they have 20 employees now and manufacturing of the phones will start on May.

More Turing phone models will be shown later this year.

http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2016...an/20163735/66

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Also mentioned in article, that the company has been officially added to company register in Finland this week. So it's no longer a "drawer box company" in legal sense. Still, I have doubts about it...

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Picture from article
http://www.digitoday.fi/files/B88378...G9PMJGK721.jpg

I can see SailfishOS there :)

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And it is fail or photoshopped. As screen should be off when you talk on phone and it's close to your ear :)

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If its photshop it's at least a nicely done job ;)

From what you can see there is no app running at all and clearly Mr.Chao isn't making a phone call. I still would not call it "fail" - the photo credit is assigned to "Jussi Helttunen", it might well be that the photo was shot during the interview and that Mr. Chao just put the phone up for the photo (Phone calls with others during an interview is kinda rude anyway, bad enough he has the "party" and not the "silent" profile activated :D )

I could think of many possibilities to fake such a picture - and in this thread there are enough arguments to remain sceptical about the TRI-Sailfish story, but for me it looks like there is at least one single turing phone which at least can boot SFOS...

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...or at least show the SFOS ambiance picture ;)

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No, it has the same issue with sensors as the Nexus 5 :D :D :D

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I don't think it is photoshop. Here you can see Turingphone running SailfishOS on video!

http://www.digitoday.fi/mobiili/2016...63772/66?rss=6

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Now i,m really excited ! please take my money

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What stops me somehow is the size. Hopefully there will be smaller devices in future, but the trend is going in an other direction.

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Wow, didn't know ISIS had their own technology news channel already, too!