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mscion

2016-02-23 18:34

Re: Mwc 2016

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Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1499620)

To cut to the chase, I think this means that Sony phones will be able to run Sailfish without an Android kernel, without libhybris, along with proper linux in general.

Interesting. What was the last phone that ever did that?

aegis

2016-02-23 21:03

Re: Mwc 2016

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Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1499601)

Yep, wouldn't really expect anything less from Sony, and they seem to be puzzled as to why they can't make any ground in the smartphone market.

I'm not sure the problem is Sony. They're generally a bit more than a Samsung or a Motorola or an LG but IME they're worth it for the waterproofing, build quality, audio DACs and Sony's light touch on Android that generally improves it rather than detracts from it (cough - Samsung).

The new LG is getting a bit of press for having an optional Bang and Olafson plug in audio DAC but nobody seems to be pointing out Sony have had superb hi-res audio DACs for years.

Audio quality is way more important than camera for me personally.

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Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1499601)

I see the X performance as a baby flagship, they've reeeeaaaaally neutered the battery on that. Waaay too small.

Disagree. I quite easily get two days use out of my Z1c if you switch on Sony's Stamina mode. I've a Z3c tablet too which does well for battery life. I'm not so concerned about the battery size. IME Sony's do much better in real world usage than other brands for battery life because they've spent some time on software rather than throwing bling at it like Samsung do.

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Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1499601)

If they think of it as an actual flagship the Z6 better not come with the same capacity battery otherwise I would be really miffed. (mainly because I've decided to wait till that comes out to make a decision), as there isn't a phone out at the moment, that comes out in the UK that I would like to buy to replace my Nexus 5.

Same here. I was hoping for my usual trick of buying the previous year's model when the Z6 comes out, presuming they continue with the Z and the X isn't a replacement. But, the Z5 and Z3+ got the Snapdragon 810 so I might be back to buying a new model - probably a Z6c as I like the compact models.

aegis

2016-02-23 21:07

Re: Mwc 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1499620)

To cut to the chase, I think this means that Sony phones will be able to run Sailfish without an Android kernel, without libhybris, along with proper linux in general.

Exactly. I'm presuming also there's at least less hardware adaptation needed if the mainline kernel has support for things like the USB port or sensors. Maybe libhybris/Android doesn't disappear entirely but the reliance on it and HADK work is less and less.

elastic

2016-02-23 21:13

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Intel shows 'Big Screen Experience' http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02...gscreen_linux/
So now after Microsoft and Ubuntu - Android + Debian

Dave999

2016-02-23 21:16

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1499647)

Intel shows 'Big Screen Experience' http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02...gscreen_linux/
So now after Microsoft and Ubuntu - Android + Debian

Good news...let the best man win!

MINKIN2

2016-02-23 22:03

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1499647)

Intel shows 'Big Screen Experience' http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02...gscreen_linux/
So now after Microsoft and Ubuntu - Android + Debian

The sad thing is, it has been 5 years since we all awed over the Motorola Atrix for doing the same thing. And with all the companies pushing this “convergence” bs, they are still not announcing a laptop docking device.

nh1402

2016-02-23 22:08

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1499651)

Yes the Motorola Atrix was really ahead of it's time, had a fingerprint sensor, that laptop dock thing, and pretty powerful hardware for it's time.

nh1402

2016-02-24 08:14

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

The X performance neutered battery really put me off getting that (500mah smaller than the Z2), and with the rumour going round that there will be no more Z series phones, it put's me into a dilemma of which phone to get. None come with a force touch like display panel. Samsung are known for being a hard/bad Sailfish port candidate, and LG are known for bad battery life with reasonably big batteries, and now with it being smaller, it doesn't bode well.(I'm aware the S6 battery life was bad/disappointing but they seemed to have fixed it this year by putting the 3000mah battery in it.)

What to do, what to do?

UPDATE: Making the port even harder is that in the UK it comes with the exynos variant. So looks like I'm not getting that then...

eekkelund

2016-02-24 09:16

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

MWC press release from Jolla!
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads..._240216_65.pdf

Quote:

Jolla announces new Sailfish OS partnership initiatives and unveils Aqua Fish with Intex Technologies

mosen

2016-02-24 09:25

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

OK, no word on turing, but mi-fone collaboration?
Nice, only they do not mentioin sailfish on theyr homepage :D
http://www.mi-fone.mobi/

Oh gosh nooo... i hate "Super Apps" as new name for partner space
Sounds like.

chenliangchen

2016-02-24 09:37

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1499668)

MWC press release from Jolla!
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads..._240216_65.pdf

Quote:

Fairphone and Sailfish OS evaluating future collaboration
With Fairphone, Jolla shares a very active community that values transparency both in
hardware production and software. Since autumn 2015 the Jolla developer community has
been working to port Sailfish OS to the Fairphone 2, the ethical smartphone that uses
modular design to increase the phone’s longevity and reparability. Following the progress
of the community porting, Jolla and Fairphone are now evaluating possibilities to enter into
commercial collaboration based on common values.

Apart from Intex, I hope Jolla can successfully make a partnership with fairphone and bring official port to FP2. And we will (finally) have a device than can last for years.

NokiaFanatic

2016-02-24 12:03

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That's it guys, I am done with Jolla.

It'll be nearly 2.5 years since the Jolla 1 was released, and since then we've been waiting, waiting, waiting for a sucessor. I am long overdue a new phone, but was hoping we would see something positive for MWC. After the tablet debacle, we now find out that Jolla are doing an Africa phone, an India phone (never to see release in Europe) and an unofficial Fairphone port (unofficial ports for overpriced hardware just does not do it for me). It really does look like Jolla have just decided to abandon the core European market in the hope they can chase emerging market growth. Personally, I think this is a mistake, as platform loyalty exists here. I think it's going to be more difficult for Jolla (really, impossible) to compete with $10-$20 Android devices.

Dave999

2016-02-24 12:14

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

They scamed Europe and NA so need to release anything there until all are refunded. Africa is perfect for Jolla.

r0kk3rz

2016-02-24 12:15

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1499677)

They scamed Europe and NA so need to release anything there until all are refunded. Africa is perfect for Jolla.

scam scam, refund refund, scam, refund.

Is that you prometheus?

JulmaHerra

2016-02-24 13:06

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Life is a scam and then you die?

pichlo

2016-02-24 13:10

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1499677)

They ~~scamed~~ failed in Europe and NA so need to ~~release anything there until all are refunded~~ try something less ambitious. Africa is perfect for Jolla.

There. Fixed it for ya.

Drekkie

2016-02-24 13:15

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Reading these repetitive posts is a scam of our time. You're lucky people quote them or many of us wouldn't see them.

Dave999

2016-02-24 13:21

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1499681)

There. Fixed it for ya.

Stop make false QUOTEs in somebody elses name. its not cool.

I consider it to be a scam to do so.

aegis

2016-02-24 13:52

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1499676)

After the tablet debacle, we now find out that Jolla are doing an Africa phone, an India phone (never to see release in Europe) and an unofficial Fairphone port (unofficial ports for overpriced hardware just does not do it for me).

It's unfair to call Fairphone hardware overpriced. They've specific reasons why their phone costs what it costs - ironically the very reasons why phones that Intex and miphone ship are so cheap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1499676)

It really does look like Jolla have just decided to abandon the core European market in the hope they can chase emerging market growth.

I don't think it's their decision. They tried with their own handset and massively failed. They no longer have the money or staff to do that again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1499676)

Personally, I think this is a mistake, as platform loyalty exists here. I think it's going to be more difficult for Jolla (really, impossible) to compete with $10-$20 Android devices.

Really? You think there is still platform loyalty? IMHO it's just hangers on hoping there's some miracle to prevent an iOS/Android future.

gerbick

2016-02-24 14:03

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1499676)

...we now find out that Jolla are doing an Africa phone, an India phone (never to see release in Europe) and an unofficial Fairphone port (unofficial ports for overpriced hardware just does not do it for me). It really does look like Jolla have just decided to abandon the core European market in the hope they can chase emerging market growth. Personally, I think this is a mistake, as platform loyalty exists here. I think it's going to be more difficult for Jolla (really, impossible) to compete with $10-$20 Android devices.

I'm of two minds here... I get your point, actually agree. I'm in the North American market and imagine the lack of impact here - at least you've had one solid release by Jolla so far. We've had none.

Partnering and growing their base may ensure longevity. And doing so in emerging markets might disrupt the growth of Android in those areas directly whereas they're less likely to make a dent in Europe. And when they do release the Jolla Phone 2, it will come with refinements and more user input than before (due to expanded user base).

But I get your point; not even disagreeing. Guess they'd need to refocus on the areas they've released something at least once to make those fans "happy". But let's be honest... would you buy from them right now? If I were management, I'd assume not. So go where folks will buy - interesting point about the sub $20 devices though. That's definitely outside of Jolla's intended audience right now.

Metsämies

2016-02-24 14:34

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1499676)

Turingphone? https://turingphone.com/ I think that is premium phone.. Or later Puzzlephone, which is also made in Finland.

pichlo

2016-02-24 14:47

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1499684)

Stop make false QUOTEs in somebody elses name. its not cool.

More uncool than using the word 'scam' in every post?

Quote:

I consider it to be a scam to do so.

I rest my case.

mscion

2016-02-24 14:51

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

I don't mind if Jolla sells low end devices that I can tinker with. At least then it becomes an inexpensive hobby and development continues. But the problem for me with previous Jolla phone is that you could not get 4G/LTE in US. Only 2G so I'm not going to use the phone as a daily drive. As a result, after buying the original Jolla phone and tinkering with it for a brief period, it was left in a drawer and gets neglected (except when I travel to Europe). Instead I tinker with my android phone which is not my preference cause I prefer the linux environment found on Jolla phone. The N9 was also not supported in US but the Singapore version I purchased at least got 3G which was not bad at the time. So, I don't care if Jolla targets Asia or Africa. Just allow device to have radio that works on 4G/LTE for some carrier in US. Afterall, folks from those continents travel to US. (Although maybe not for long if Trump becomes president! lol Hmmm. maybe that's not so funny!)

Fellfrosch

2016-02-24 15:40

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1499669)

Is this company selling phones already? I wonder because they have listed 6 devices and i can't find any info about their specs e.g.

Dave999

2016-02-24 16:03

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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1499698)

Is this company selling phones already? I wonder because they have listed 6 devices and i can't find any info about their specs e.g.

If you click on sales you are directed to mail with subject: I want mi-fone. :D

Looks like another Turing company. I doubt they sell anything since no trace of sales or usage. I really hope they have something solid or this would be yet another embarrassment.

At least intex phone looks like the real deal.

kingstu

2016-02-24 16:17

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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1499694)

IBut the problem for me with previous Jolla phone is that you could not get 4G/LTE in US. Only 2G so I'm not going to use the phone as a daily drive.

AT&T is sunsetting it's 2G this year and that makes things even more difficult for the Jolla in the USA. I wish it supported 3G in USA, that should be a minimum even if the 4G frequencies are not all supported. worldwide 2G and 3G.

mosen

2016-02-24 16:31

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1499698)

Is this company selling phones already?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1499699)

If you click on sales you are directed to mail with subject: I want mi-fone. :D

They do at least since 2011

And have a recent model

Dave999

2016-02-24 16:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1499705)

They do at least since 2011

Good. I'm not sure If can't handle another scam from Jolla.

Fellfrosch

2016-02-24 17:01

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

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Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1499705)

They do at least since 2011

And have a recent model

Thanks! Strange to find the homepage of a manufacturer without any infos about their products....:confused:

salyavin

2016-02-25 20:36

Re: Mwc 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1499601)

I see the X performance as a baby flagship, they've reeeeaaaaally neutered the battery on that. Waaay too small. If they think of it as an actual flagship the Z6 better not come with the same capacity battery otherwise I would be really miffed.

http://japanese.engadget.com/2016/02/24/xperia-z5-z-z6/
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/n...25_745336.html
There will be no Xperia Z6. Sorry didn't have time to find English but it should be in English somewhere.

aegis

2016-02-26 09:22

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Yep. No more Z series. X is the new Z.http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/24...es-is-no-more/

The annoying thing is the one model that is waterproof is the expensive one that isn't going to be available in the UK or Germany. Sony must really be in a state if they're reigning in their range like this.

nh1402

2016-02-26 11:22

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

yep, saw that, a real shame. Really puts my next phone in to question. Maybe Oneplus 3 or the next Nexus phone, will see what they bring. Was looking forward to test out Sailfish with a mainline kernel. Now won't get that chance. Unless Sony are still releasing 2 flagships a year, and they increase the battery significantly. (I know, I know battery capacity isn't everything, but if you shoved the Z2 battery in the X performance, I'm sure you would get an extra day of usage out of it)

Dave999

2016-02-26 12:23

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

So what tech are you going to buy from MWC 2016?

I think I will get an Ubuntu M10 to compare with my surface pro.

nh1402

2016-02-26 12:32

Re: MWC - Mobile World Congress 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1499885)

So what tech are you going to buy from MWC 2016?

I think I will get an Ubuntu M10 to compare with my surface pro.

probably the weather.

SKyd3R

2016-02-26 15:42

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bq Aquaris M10 with Ubuntu Touch is a really cool concept. If it works properly with any projector, it will be mine.

nh1402

2016-02-26 17:49

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Originally Posted by SKyd3R (Post 1499907)

bq Aquaris M10 with Ubuntu Touch is a really cool concept. If it works properly with any projector, it will be mine.

Now now, there's no need for stealing, there are plenty to go around.

mikecomputing

2016-02-27 17:33

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Everyone talks about internet of thinks lately.

What happened to Jollas otherhalf? They could have been "the first ones" years ago if the just got some cool OTH modules for the phone. Instead they released a tablet that only a few will get :mad:

Just got an idea connect one of my stm32 nucleo to my phone via the I2C but question is what the hell I should do with that hmm... :cool:

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