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atlochowski 2017-01-20 08:58
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pim (Post 1522252)
It's a nice page and it gives (for what I understand of it with my limited knowledge of Russian) a good summary of the selling points for SailfishOS. Happy to see some positive marketing for SailfishOS.

What phone is used on the pictures? It's not a Jolla1/C or Intex.
It's not real pictures, it's renders.

pichlo 2017-01-20 10:53
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1522254)
You know, this happen sometimes, this is albino Jolla C abandoned by their owners.
"parents"? ;)

coderus 2017-01-20 11:04
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1522259)
"parents"? ;)
"creators" then.

mrsellout 2017-01-20 13:49
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1522258)
It's not real pictures, it's renders.
Yes, there's no front cameras or proximity sensors, and one of them even has little turrets all around them :p.

KylliOrvokki 2017-01-20 13:56
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
My prediction is that Jolla and Omprussia will announce phone at Mobile World Congress.
Hopefully there will be also Community version available from Jolla with clean sailfishos.

References:
http://suomimobiili.fi/jolla-osallis...uomiMobiili%29

http://omprussia.ru/

coderus 2017-01-21 10:00
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KylliOrvokki (Post 1522264)
My prediction is that Jolla and Omprussia will announce phone at Mobile World Congress.
Hopefully there will be also Community version available from Jolla with clean sailfishos.

References:
http://suomimobiili.fi/jolla-osallis...uomiMobiili%29

http://omprussia.ru/
You seems don't know Sailfish Mobile OS RUS is only for russian corporate clients, and it's very unlikely you can buy one device with this OS somehow.

Reilu 2017-01-22 09:35
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1522277)
You seems don't know Sailfish Mobile OS RUS is only for russian corporate clients, and it's very unlikely you can buy one device with this OS somehow.

According to Wikipedia on Sailfish OS, on 18 May 2015 the Russian minister of communications Nikolai Nikiforov announced plans to replace Apple's iOS and Google's Android platforms with new software based on Sailfish, as an open-source mobile operating system. He intends it to cover 50% of Russian need in this area during next ten years, in comparison to the 95% currently covered with western technology.

If Nikiforov plans to cover 50 proxent of russian mobile phones with Sailfish Mobile OS Russia, then those phones must be sold to everyone. Corporate clients cannot be 50 procent of phoneusers in Russia, thats why Sailfish Mobile OS Rusia have to be meant for consumerphones too.

You cannot wait years before making phone to non-corporate users, because it would be harder to break in to consumer markets, if Android rules (like Windows). It is better to start selling phones now. l would expect russian phonemakers make same phones available to corporations and consumers, but without advanced security features. That would be economically good move.

There is hope for better!

coderus 2017-01-22 09:51
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Reilu, maybe in some future, but not yet. Oysters had plans for making sfos device, but no any news from them for a year or so. Also no idea what Nikiforov planned himself, but he is not responsible for sfos devices to appear in market. Currently main aim is to make OS for corporate and government clients.

Reilu 2017-01-22 12:54
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Minister can not decide on production, but can influece on the matter. Here he has already created market to Sailfish Os in Russia, by choosing OS to civil servants. It is possible that it there will be legislative restrictions to Android OS in order to limit foreign spying on russians. That would be in line with Russia already demanding info collected by creditcard companies to be saved within its borders. It would make room to alternative OS Sailfish in consumermarkets.

I do not think Sailfish Os Russia survives, if it takes years to make consumerphone. Developing OS is expensive and can not continue years for mainly govermental phones only. There must be income coming from consumerphones. Nikiforov is smart (favours Sailfish Mobile OS) and surely understands that. Therefor I do expect new phone to us coming from Russia this year.

coderus 2017-01-22 16:54
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
There are already restrictions, you CAN ONLY BUY devices using OS and software from "registry of Russian national software".

Reilu 2017-01-22 18:14
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Assume that means restrictions to state agencies bying OS or software. I was hoping more regulations to consumer phones aswell. It would be in place to protect consumers against commercial and US state spying by promoting Sailfish OS.

http://rbth.com/news/2016/10/24/russ...in-2016_641565

coderus 2017-01-22 20:56
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
regulations for consumer phones are not possible. we're living in free world. you can use whatever phone you want.

chilango 2017-01-22 21:56
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Dreaming on

Maybe hacking bootloader from Ipone/Samsung etc and install Sailfish on every device :D

Dreaming off

coderus 2017-01-22 22:02
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chilango (Post 1522325)
Dreaming on

Maybe hacking bootloader from Ipone/Samsung etc and install Sailfish on every device :D

Dreaming off
who will develop drivers or stole source codes? :D

Reilu 2017-01-22 22:20
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Disagree. Even Windows have changed because of foreign laws demanding fair treatment to competitors. It is reasonable to expect goverment protection against snooping us. We are not just consumers, but private people too.

World is not a open and fair nowadays, but it gave Sailfish OS a opportunity. One reason for forming Sailfish OS Russia could be to prevent Obama from blocking russian mobile phones. It was possible, because US controlls Google and Apple. If You do not believe, then remember Wikileaks. They were prevented from having donations throught Visa or Mastercard. I do not think there was any law against it, but all US companies refused to serve them nevertheless.

Future shows what is to come. I expect better than previous year. There is interesting times ahead and I really hope for a new Sailfish phone.

chilango 2017-01-23 02:17
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1522326)
who will develop drivers or stole source codes? :D
Coderus!
Really if the russian Government make strong restrictions about russian mobile markt. Maybe the companys make linux driver for her chips!
Or in other way if the concentrate of some good devices, with enough financial backup from Government, maybe they can reverse engenier the driver.
Honestly iam not a developer. Dont now if it will possible

gerbick 2017-01-23 02:41
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chilango (Post 1522333)
Coderus!
Really if the russian Government make strong restrictions about russian mobile markt. Maybe the companys make linux driver for her chips!
Or in other way if the concentrate of some good devices, with enough financial backup from Government, maybe they can reverse engenier the driver.
Honestly iam not a developer. Dont now if it will possible
First the OS. Next will be the chips. I suspect a new chip that's also sanctioned/allowed by the Russian government to relieve the dependence on external supplies would be the smart next thing to happen.

But (correct me if I'm wrong), reverse-engineering is not against Russian law.

juiceme 2017-01-23 05:51
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1522334)
But (correct me if I'm wrong), reverse-engineerija ng is not against Russian law.
True, reverse engineering is allowed in Russia just like almost everywhere in the world.
In EU legislation reverse engineering a product for compability reasons is even encouraged. :D

pichlo 2017-01-23 11:23
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1522321)
regulations for consumer phones are not possible. we're living in free world. you can use whatever phone you want.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilu (Post 1522327)
Disagree. Even Windows have changed because of foreign laws demanding fair treatment to competitors. It is reasonable to expect goverment protection against snooping us. We are not just consumers, but private people too.
It looks like you two are talking about different things. Coderus about regulations on what the customers may buy versus Reilu about regulations on what the manufacturers can provide. Reilu's regulations may help obscure OSes indirectly by banning the import of phones that do not follow such regulations - which could include all major OSes if the regulations are draconian enough.

ka9yhd 2017-01-23 13:09
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilu (Post 1522327)
Disagree. Even Windows have changed because of foreign laws demanding fair treatment to competitors. It is reasonable to expect goverment protection against snooping us. We are not just consumers, but private people too.

World is not a open and fair nowadays, but it gave Sailfish OS a opportunity. One reason for forming Sailfish OS Russia could be to prevent Obama from blocking russian mobile phones. It was possible, because US controlls Google and Apple. If You do not believe, then remember Wikileaks. They were prevented from having donations throught Visa or Mastercard. I do not think there was any law against it, but all US companies refused to serve them nevertheless.

Future shows what is to come. I expect better than previous year. There is interesting times ahead and I really hope for a new Sailfish phone.
And as of January 20th 2017 Obama is no longer the President of America.
And the new President has started rolling back a lot of what Obama did.

mscion 2017-01-23 14:48
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Trust me! Really! This is not fake or alternate news! I heard that in a private conversation between Putin and Trump, in order to thaw US/Russian relations, that Putin will be offering free Jolla phones to US government employees. And, in turn, Trump will offer free overnight stays at the Trump hotel in DC for Russian Diplomats. He also promises the hotel rooms will be bug free and with free WIFI service!

coderus 2017-01-23 15:34
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1522364)
Trust me! Really! This is not fake or alternate news! I heard that in a private conversation between Putin and Trump, in order to thaw US/Russian relations, that Putin will be offering free Jolla phones to US government employees. And, in turn, Trump will offer free overnight stays at the Trump hotel in DC for Russian Diplomats. He also promises the hotel rooms will be bug free and with free WIFI service!
Please stop this...

mscion 2017-01-23 15:56
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
I respect your concern. More a comment on how things in the US are
becoming more and more ridiculous by the day.


I would like to add a thank you for you commitment and awesome contributions to N9 and Jolla.

Reilu 2017-01-23 16:52
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Bad news. Russian phonemaker Oysters has taken Oysters SF out of their catalog. I have been to oysters.ru smartphone page since they annonced releasing Sailfish OS phone last june, but it has disappeared couple a days ago. It seems they have changed plans for the release of Sailfish Os phone.

Voi vittu!

feedme 2017-01-23 18:50
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
@Reilu , how come people are afraid of chinese phones having " extra " payload, but one country westwards from china has only " roses " in the products.. : )

Reilu 2017-01-23 19:33
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
@feedme agree. There must be alternative to having my privacy for sale. Thats why I hope for success to Sailfish.

lantern 2017-03-07 12:38
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/03/0...-manufacturer/

Not mentions Sailfish, buy I wouldn't be suprised if it might have it.

lantern 2017-04-18 07:11
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
There are rumors that OMP might be sold to Rostelecom (big russian telecom operator, "governement" company full of beurocracy).
If true, it's not a good news.

https://meduza.io/news/2017/04/18/pr...iv-rostelekomu

coderus 2017-04-18 10:39
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
https://vc.ru/n/esn-rbc-plans

ka9yhd 2017-04-20 16:03
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilu (Post 1522377)
@feedme agree. There must be alternative to having my privacy for sale. Thats why I hope for success to Sailfish.
There is been many discussions on Linux forums about systemd and a fare number of Linux distributions are staying with init and not going with systemd.
More recently Debian has forked. The official version of Debian has systemd while the forked version does not.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/260...pocalypse.html

juiceme 2017-04-20 16:20
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
I don't like systemd.

We have had sysv-init for nearly 35 years now, nothing wrong with it.

coderus 2017-04-20 16:33
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1527082)
I don't like systemd.

We have had sysv-init for nearly 35 years now, nothing wrong with it.
oh please, this is totally wrong tread to discuss it (again)

ka9yhd 2017-04-20 17:36
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Sorry my fault for going off topic.

I am still learning Linux. Coderus is there a thread here that does discuss systemd here so I can learn why people dislike it.

Dave999 2017-04-20 19:43
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
How is this Russian OS coming along? anyone actually working on this on a tech level or is it only pdf and powerpoint?

coderus 2017-04-20 20:44
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ka9yhd (Post 1527085)
Sorry my fault for going off topic.

I am still learning Linux. Coderus is there a thread here that does discuss systemd here so I can learn why people dislike it.
you can still use search. thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1527092)
How is this Russian OS coming along? anyone actually working on this on a tech level or is it only pdf and powerpoint?
of course we're working hard on it, but details are classified.

Hariainm 2017-04-20 23:12
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1527096)
of course we're working hard on it, but details are classified.
I'm sorry, Andrey. Are you working on this project?

pichlo 2017-04-21 06:08
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1527096)
of course we're working hard on it, but details are classified.
"We"?!

Classified. What isn't? :(

velox 2017-04-21 06:16
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Folks, it's been in his signature for quite a while now: Yes, he works at OMP.
It wouldn't make much sense if he didn't get hired there, IMHO. ;)

pichlo 2017-04-21 06:19
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by velox (Post 1527105)
Folks, it's been in his signature for quite a while now
Ahh, thanks.

But frankly, who reads signatures? Especially multi-line monstrosities ;)

coderus 2017-04-21 07:17
Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1527103)
Classified. What isn't? :(
Sailfish Mobile OS RUS is not for average customers (yet?), so no details can be shared to public, sorry :)


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