Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

What has this to do with this thread? Stop spreading FUD about systemd. Besides, you are several years too late. Articles such as this were written in anger and fear over unknown changes. But if the world doesn't develop, it stagnates. We can't be afraid of change. Change is always good. There is no harm done with systemd and you can continue to use the free (libre) and open source GNU/Linux system with or without systemd. Don't be afraid, there are much worse things in the world, such as binary driver blobs for smart phones :)

Edit. Besides, that article (and other) has been proven wrong many times since it was written. Systemd is not a poor implementation, it is a very successful and really good implementation that has been embraced by almost all linux distributions just because of those qualities. As the article stands today, it could as well have been written by a lunatic that doesn't believe in the moon landings.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

No need to share.

So it is basically bransched in some way. Thats bad. Developed in the dark. Thats bad.
How could anyone trust it when its totally deviloped in the dark. GL with that.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Don't worry, average customer like you can NEVER access any closed part of Sailfish Mobile OS RUS. You can not trust, because you will never have an opportunity to use this OS.

Became a partner, place a supply order, sign many legal stuff. Only then you can know all information you need.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Where do I sign? :D

This Sounds like an OS developers around the world would like to help. Not. Sailfish moves in complete wrong direction from what I thought. Even more closed than Apple?

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

You know, you are continuing the discussion about systemd if you take a side in the argument + someone already said to stop the discussion about systemd and there was no replies about it after that... except from you.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

You should understand one simple thing: Salifish Mobile OS RUS is local russian solution for corporate customers only.

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My main interest as a consumer of SFOS is if the RUS company will send some lines of code back to core sailfish.
Is that happening already?

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Almost every day :)

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:cool:I understands that.

But how is sailfish more open to me as a user than iOS?

No problem for me if Russians Wants to hijack sail, after all they pay for it. But its currently not credible to call it open nor secure than other OS on the market from a user point of view.

I smell a scam ;)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

I really typed a more or less long answer to this with some explanations of open source systems running closed source, which I deleted before posting to just say:

Please stop trolling people. Thanks.

(There really is no definition of "open to dave as a user" relevant to anyone else.)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

i am happy with it as long as it gives some code lines back to core sfos. this has been confirmed by coderus, so what? what's the problem Dave, main sailfish will be just like today, with some additional value back from omp. you won't need closed part of sailfish rus, that's it.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

If you are happy I am happy.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Simple explanation:

Sailfish OS is open.
Salifish Mobile OS RUS is not.

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Coderus:

I look forward to when any info can be shared about the progress of Open Mobile Platform.

Thank you for being here.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Well, you can read news in internet to know about partners and solutions in Russia, who bought Sailfish OS solutions. I guess nearest news should come when Russian Post will finish recent tender. But only if Russian Post will decide itself to disclose details :)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

What is russian post? Aha, the good old post Office.

Software wise its not that intressteing. But hw wise, who Will back up this government OS? Yota would be cool but I doubt russian going that way and buying some cheap hw that noone really want to use.

It would also be fun to see the employes give up the phones for this new OS :D

EDIT: Especially Love the thread title. "Russian Open Mobile Development" yeah right ;)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Coderus, you are underestimating your role :D

OMP is a complete blackbox to all of us.
The biggest credebility bonus they can get is you staying as verbose as possible.

You are an ambassador now and have been for a long time!
Get yourself a decent suit and tie now :p

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Do you personally know any other russian company (except Yota Devices probably) which is NOT a blackbox for you?

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

No ;)

But calling themselves open is ironic though.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Me personally, yes.
But honestly, besides doing many russian weddings and enjoying decent vodka, i am only dealing with private mid-size companies on tradefairs and can not make out any difference to "european" ones from my limited insight.
And more relevant to this discussion, non of them has anything to do with SFOS development or is otherwise meaningful to this community.

If it was not you working at OMP, the distrust towards the project would be much higher as you can see from the raised questions.
Thanks for patiently answering them.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

true. russian companies usually not open to disclose information how they work :D

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I dont think that is the main issue but that is basically a government controlled OS. Sailfish is no longer the open/indipendent os we hopped it to be but basically funded and controlled by the Russian govnernment. Without going political I have to say I don't like government controlled OS.

Don't take it personally coderus. I think it's great that you have work with sail and I'm happy for you.

But I don't see why we should support this over Apple or android if this continues. Same ****, different name.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Damn, you're hell of a spammer. You can flood any topic.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Indeed. When something is fishy someone must start the play on the war drum.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=ignorelist ;)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

wish I could ignore circles on the water

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

True. But you know, a signpost can be all rotten but still point in the right direction.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Wow, so you don't like Android, iOS, Chrome OS, Windows. Nice, no problem.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Hi. How are these OS's government controlled? Just askin'.

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Don't listen Dave, he is totally brainwashed.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

1. There are many android version that have "special" government addons, for example the chinese versions
2. iOS is being controlled by US government
3. I have to say I have no evidence on ChromeOs but would be surprised if there was no version created for government use
4. Windows is being controlled by US government

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5. Every hardware has backdoors implemented, therefore probably every device/OS is government-controlled.

6. The internettraffic is government-controlled, so even with a "secure" device, big-brother knows what you're up to.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

trim one's sails to the wind...

So now it's suddenly OK?

iOS, WIn, And chrome is not manged or funded by the US government directly. They are also publicly traded componies which is an important aspect compared to jolla and sailfish. It's all in the dark and almost no information can be found.

That's why it's fishy. But we will see how this turn out. :cool:

I guess I'm most disappointed what way jolla was force/chose to go. I guess they had no other option to stay alive. I was hoping for an indipendet OS which is no longer is, and maybe never was for all we know.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Really?

Do you have any proof or is it one of those, "Of course the Moon landings were staged, are you blind?"

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Hey folks WTF is goin on here ?

I would really prefer not to start a Cold War feeling here at tmo. Switch your brains back on (and online) and stop following the speeches of the (crazy) politicians who are "ruling" the world this days - they are all looking backwards and want to reverse to the unglobalized (and easier to rule) world of the 80s by trying to mark all others as dangerous, unreliable, or even worse ... - I grew up in a divided country where people where shoot for crossing a border - I definitely don't want that world back ...

So please stop talking about the US, the Russians, the Chinese ...

We are all living in one world and if communities and communications between the people are on and working we can make a difference and on the long term no borders, politicians, ... can stop free speech, free movement and free software - even if they produce their own closed systems - if the Russian government wants a mobile OS which is 100% free from influence of other governments I wouldn't blame them - and neither Jolla for selling the base to them (that's business) - or would you call Linux a bad thing because a government builds is own closed system on the kernel (or on a specific gui) or would you call BlackBerry unusable because they sold many specially secured and closed devices for governments all over the world?

At least the choice is yours - use a special country version of SFOS or the community one from Jolla ... (at least that is what I hope for) - only thing I would blame Jolla for would be if they are helping governments spying on people or blocking them from something but that is neither said nor proofed ...

Sorry for any inconvenience

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

That case was a sham: as soon as it was going to a court, the FBI just used one of the backdoors to get everything they needed and dropped the case. Easy to make people then write it off as a win for Apple (who, doing nothing, cleared their bad rap in the public opinion) and a loss for the FBI, even though Apple had long before provided backdoor access to the US government and were just acting like saints, as proven by NSA document after NSA document.

Of course this only proves they're silently compliant, not that they're actually being controlled by the government. However, if you take a look at just how much advertising company Google is entangled in government affairs, it's not very hard to extrapolate to other large US-based technology companies.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

This is really only true for unencrypted communications. Of course in most cases you still let onlookers know about which websites you're connecting to, which is usually enough to get an idea of what you could be doing. Still, these problems can be solved using things like I2P, Tor or Freenet. If you run the latter in its 'dark mode'*, anyone overseeing your communications can't even see you're doing anything.

* It's high time software developers stop calling the most useful parts of their software shady names. Why does it have to be dark? I'm not doing any shady business, I just don't want everyone to know about it.

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Why you think OMP / Sailfish OS is controlled by Russian government?

You CAN'T actually hide anything from your own government. You can try to hide your communications from other people. But you just can't hide it from your government, in case of situation government can get maximum information about your person and your communications. :)

Re: Russian Open Mobile development based on SFOS
 

Tor is only secure as long as its entry/exit -nodes haven't been compromised/aren't run by GOV-agencies.

And btw, these tools won't stop anyone from spying from you on the hardware-level. If the data your spied on before it's encrypted the encryption is of no use.