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Hi guys

I'm looking at getting a SFOS device but the tablet and phone don't really appeal to me.

I was looking at some community ported SFOS devices and have noted that the Nexus 5 seems to have a lot of love in the community. But i never did like them.

Other than the official devices, what phone & tablet can i buy that can flash SFOS onto, that is that i don't have to port over :p, it seems that some OnePlus devices have some builds aswell as the some Sony phones.

Cheers.

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You can either buy an Intex Aquafish from ebay or wait for an official port for the Fairphone 2 (although the device is rather pricey) :)

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The intex device looks a little weak spec compared to the nexus 5 and i was looking at something similar.

The Fairphone is just something else... quite an expensive niche device.

Wiki has an article with ports, has anyone tried any of the devices on the list, phone & tablets?

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More detailed list of ports in Mer wiki. :)

I have tried with Nexus5 and RaspberryPi2. It is nice indeed on Nexus5!

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Wow, that's a very nice list.


Now which of those support android apps either via dalvik/sfdroid?

• jolla
• Nexus 4&5
• Anything else?

The tablet section looks a bit sparse...

Can anyone add the HP Touchpad to the list as it seems to have a working SFOS2 rom

The Intex looks more and more appealing but the hardware...

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The only phones that support android apps via AlienDalvik are official Jolla phones (Jolla, Jolla C and Intex). The Nexus 5 works with sfdroid; I cannot speak toward any others.

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I really hope some kind of 3,5-4 inch device with Sailfish OS will be released in the (near) future. I'd buy it without even looking at the specs.

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I think the closest so far is some of the compact Sony Z series. I've a z1 compact and it's not much bigger than an n9 but has a 4.3" screen. Unfortunately for me there's a lot of red boxes in the adaptation chart. The z3c fares better.

https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris

In theory libhybris shouldn't be required with Sony as they've been releasing sources.

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I was looking at that list as well, but unfortunately the red boxes are in all the wrong places, the porter for the Z1 Compact is no longer working on it, the Z3 Compact doesn't seem all that compact anymore at 4,6 inch and is on the expensive side anyway (of course I say this having paid full price for the Jolla phone). Good to hear Sony are releasing sources, though.

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+1!

Sailfish would fare marvelously on a small screen. That is where the swipe navigation would really make a difference. Not on big screens where buttons make more sense.

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As long as the buttons are big as well, of course (unlike a certain robotic OS).

Come to think of it, if there's one thing Apple has done right, it's their screen sizes. Although even there the compact models have become bigger over time. The compactness of an iPhone 4S with Sailfish on it would be heaven.

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The z1c and z3c are pretty much the same size externally. There's less bezel on the z3c. It's still significantly smaller than a Jolla phone despite having a larger screen.

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Agree 100%. IMHO even Jolla 1 was (and still is - I have not grown yet) too big for one hand use and thus in part spoiled the user experience that SFOS aims for.

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There are Xperia 2011 devices which have a working Sailfish OS port. To be honest it works surprisingly well (as for such piece of hardware) but has also some issues. Mostly with scaling (320x480 devices especially, mostly with 3-rd party apps), lacking of the proper hardware keyboard layout and the amount of RAM memory seems to be a significant bottleneck on daily routine using.

I am also looking for a "preferably smaller" device with Sailfish OS porting in mind. Unfortunately, all the Nexus devices lack the memory card slots.
Currently I am thinking about Sony Xperia Z1 Compact and Motorola Droid 4. The first one seems to be almost perfect. Has even the FM transmitter. But doesn't have the hardware keyboard and has a poor CyanogenMod support. The second one has a lot worse hardware but includes hardware keyboard. The CyanogenMod support seems to be better.

It seems that every available solution is to some extent a compromise. And that bothers/annoys me.

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Slightly O/T: Maybe I'm bonkers, but I covet a phone with something like an e-ink / e-paper primary display.

It'd be niche, sure, but for basic use I think it'd be just about viable (perhaps with a few more years' development). No videos possible, only very basic games, and web browsing would be sketchy. But imagine the battery life...

I was seriously considering buying the JotaPhone 2 before I found the Jolla. Probably would have gone ahead and bought the former if it had had a replaceable battery.

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MikeHG, you do realize that Yota(sp?) had both LCD and e-ink and used the latter as auxiliary only? The main screen was still LCD.

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I do, yes - I looked into it fairly seriously.

It was the non-replaceable battery that caused me to look elsewhere and find the Jolla, partly in the hope that Kimmo eventually got his e-ink TOH working.

But the more I've thought about it since, the more I've realised that I really could do without a 'decent' display on my phone at all - I have a tablet, and we live in an era of screencasting.

If I could get something that was more or less a 'featurephone' (with a text-only LCD, capable of doing emails and maybe console style web browsing) but could tether to my tablet I'd also be happy. Not in the market to replace my Jolla 1 yet, but if semi-modular phones become a viable thing that's a direction I'll look into when it finally dies (or 1GB of RAM finally pushes me over the edge).

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According to GSM Arena:

Jolla: 131 x 68 x 9.9 mm
Xperia Z1 Compact: 127 x 64.9 x 9.5 mm
Xperia Z3 Compact: 127.3 x 64.9 x 8.6 mm

I wouldn't call 4mm significantly smaller.

Compared to the N9: 116.5 x 61.2 x 12.1 mm

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Yeah, if the Xperia Mini Pro had some slightly better specs I think everyone on this forum would buy one. It's only 9cm! The Xperia Mini is even smaller!

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So add your vote here: https://together.jolla.com/question/...maller-phones/

There is nothing small enough in the Android world today. I switched to a small iPhone. I'm a bit disappointed by the user experience which I expected better than it is, but in hand, it's far superior to everything else. And I trust more Apple to protect my data than Google.

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Why no mention of the OnePlus X?

This has a great port by Kimmoli and Taaeem. All aspects of the phone are working in SailfishOS, including hardware button for switching ambiences and gestures for turning on camera or changing media.

It has a 5" AMOLED display, and the same processor as Fairphone 2.

Slightly difficult to get hold of now, but way cheaper than the Fairphone.

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Sailfish would look just wonderfully on Xperia Mini. Finally the shameful screen real estate waste in apps like Email would not be so noticeable.

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If all goes well I might have a Mini Pro in a couple of days. With 512MB RAM it probably won't be possible to have all that many applications for multitasking (although a lot of applications seem to consume not much more than 20MB, excluding the browser), but on a screen that small I think four is probably the limit so the covers don't get too small to tap. I'll keep everyone posted.

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Some useful links regarding Sailfish OS port on Xperia 2011 devices:
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Ada...r_2011_Xperias
http://forum.xda-developers.com/joll...-2011-t2171283

I would recommend reading them up (especially the second one) before purchasing the phone to avoid any possible disappointment.

Regarding multitasking. There is a possibility to run a few applications on the same time but it is a bit risky with the browser. If the device runs out of memory the screen may go black with the red LED light turned on. I am not sure if it is a bug or what.

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Black screen with a fast flashing red LED is an error condition for something along the lines of "screen driver not responding". It used to happen in Sailfish from time to time, usually out of the blue, prompted by some random action like swipe from home to the lock screen. It also used to happen every time you restarted Lipstick, like for example to apply some patches in Patchmanager. Both issues were fixed some time ago, around the time of the upgrade to 1.1.9.

I am not sure Sailfish would actually run on Xperia Mini. I meant that screen size, not the actual device. The RAM is just too small. On my Jolla, I regularly see 500 MB used just by the OS itself, with no open apps and no Dalvik.

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Dzięki! I took a quick look at that thread earlier but didn't notice the usernames, and didn't see you had posted a few screenshots in there already. In fact, it looks quite alright, small scaling issues aside which I assume will be fixed in the next release. If you don't mind, could you post a couple more to show off what it looks like on such a small screen?

In any case I wasn't really expecting much, just the thought of a device with a perfect form factor and the superior mobile OS gets me excited.

Edit: I was going to ask if the Weather widget works, but of course if the Jolla account doesn't work yet, that won't work either. Maybe the MeeCast widget?

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what about motorola photon q?

sailfish it has been ported
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...otorola+photon
http://www.vladislavonline.com/sailfishos-for-photon-q/

how to SIM mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1929143

Has 1gb ram 4.3" display 1.5 ghz dual-core

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Thanks but it's too big, I'm looking for something really compact. I already have the Jolla phone and it seems to be really similar anyway.

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I have the same question. Why isn't anyone talking about one plus X ? IMHO one plus x is the best sailfish port out there. That too with 3 gigs of RAM .Here in india it is available for about 14000 (220 $ in ebay) . The only problem i have found in the spec is the somewhat limited wifi bands and a very glossy back side. But looks better than any premium phone out there.

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The dimensions aren't quite the whole story. The n9 and Sony phones are curvy compared to a Jolla so when you're holding one you've not got edges and it feels smaller than they are in the hand.

Anyhow, the compacts are pretty much the only phones with decent spec and sub 5" screens these days.

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Available for £189 from OnePlus in the UK direct. https://oneplus.net/uk/x

Nicer design than the newer models as it doesn't have a home button.

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very nice.

how does the SFOS port (via cyanogenmod?) compare to the N5?

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I will try to flash SailfishOS and make some additional screenshots tomorrow (as I currently use Mini Pro with CM11 as my daily driver).
What screenshots are you interested in?
I can also try some Terminal magic if there will be any question about it.

MeeCast (and its widget) do work well.
There are only some slight scalling issues in the application.

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The basic Jolla applications, the application launcher, the event screen (with the pulldown with the quick switches) and the lock screen would be great, but feel free to post screenshots of anything you want. Also, is the hardware keyboard properly detected, does it hide the software keyboard when opened?

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Few observations:
* 2G/3G (signal), Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, brightness and orientation sensors work well (as I have tested)
* events view works fine. It shows SMS-es, e-mails, Twitter, calendar events (I've tested with birthdays before), etc.
* look out the WareHouse app - it is lagging during installing anything. To avoid it after enabling repository and clicking on the install key you should go to any page where you cannot see the progress bar.
* the home key does not work at all. You have to wake up the phone using power key (Is there any way to assigne keycode to only wake the device up?).
* on-screen keyboard hides when slided out but some apps do not support landscape orientation and the don't rotate (luckily Terminal supports rotation)
* keyboard layout doesn't work fully: A-Z, Dot, Apostrophe, Enter, Shift, Backspace, Space keys work, rest (including symbols combo Sym+...) doesn't
* the proximity sensor does not work
I will add some more soon.

Patches which seem to work well:
* Hide Tutorial Icon

Came across a bug: Warehouse shows error "Status: no-distro-upgrade-data":
Fix (source https://tradiz.org/sfos-armani):
Screenshots are available here:http://web.archive.org/web/201704101...7i_SailfishOS/
Unfortuantely, forum had some troubles with the size of them.

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Thank you very much! Scaling issues aside which I understand will be fixed in the next release, that looks really, really good. The Warehouse lag you mentioned also occurs on the Jolla phone (and I guess all other devices).

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I added also the screenshots of menu and some folder in menu which I've forgot to include earlier.

Regarding the accounts.
I cannot log into an existing Jolla Account but can register the new one. The Jolla Store will still not work. I haven't tested the Jolla's Weather widget. Also don't try to remove your account and reregister with the same login or e-mail. It won't work and you'll lost your Jolla account and previously used username (as I did :().
I've successfully added Facebook Messenger (link), Google, Twitter account, XMPP (Jabber) and Nasza-Klasa (through XMPP nktalk.pl).
Facebook Messenger and Nasza-Klasa accounts have imported contacts into the People app (with thumbnails - form both and birthday dates - from the latter).

I've also noticed that default governor is "performance" which is battery consuming and changed it to "conservative". I'll take a look if it would help with battery time. It was the main reason (beside lack of OSMand) why I've retuned to CM11 trying out the Sailfish OS.

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Thanks again! I'll await your battery testing results. I noticed it has a fairly small battery, so curious to find out how long it lasts with Sailfish on it.

On another note, I prefer Maps.me to OSMand, it's lightweight and easy to use (but doesn't have the large amount of functionality of OSMand), and it's free software.

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I'm using OnePlus X' port on a daily basis and almost everything works. Bluetooth gets disabled on boot, but manual enable and restart of Rockpool's service are not too much hustle. 4K video and screen gestures support done by kimmoli are a very nice touch, especially the torch and camera ones :) I'm on 2.0.3.14 btw.

The adaptation page is here:
https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Ada...ishOS_for_onyx

Ask me, if you want to know something in particular.

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1.) Does AGPS work for you?
On my Hammerhead port it doesn't, which means that GPS takes minutes to lock to satellites. After that it is very accurate though.

2.) Does Call Recorder work for you?
On my device there is something hazy in pulseaudio; when I try to route the call to voicecall-record profile and dump the data to file it does not work but pulseaudio goes to some kind of loop consuming around 10% CPU.