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Another reason is simpler : many Android users buy new smartphones each year, because their smartphones use Android, i.e., become slow, full of WhatsApp files, not working at all, etc.

So no need to have new battery if the life cycle of the smartphone is just about 1 year.

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The Jolla C and Aquafish, which are reasonably recent devices, still allow that though. But the real trouble is to find replacement batteries, and Jolla is arguably a bit underground anyway so the question is different with them. I believe Fairphone 2 allows that too, but it's the same, it's a niche product which made a point (a selling point) in being easily serviceable, which is possible only because the vast majority of other manufacturers do not make that choice.

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And that's very good for the environment.... not....

Ohh I forgot climate threat is just hoax...

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Is that what slows down an Android device? Whatsit? That would explain it. My daughter's 2.5 years old tablet works just as fine as it did on day 1. My other daughter's even older tablet, that I inherited when we upgraded hers so she could play Pokemon Go, is now about 6 years old and shows no signs of slowing down.

None of those devices have ever been reset to factory defaults. On the other hand, none of them have ever had Whatsit installed on them.

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I try to explain that it is better to buy good smartphones to last 3-4 years, with batteries that can be replaced. But the majority of people just follow the trend.

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I've seen many Android smartphones with 4-8GB of flash memory totally full due to WhatsApp taking half of flash memory. It seems WhatsApp on Android doesn't have any upper limit of flash memory to use... or if it has, nobody I know has set it up.

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well, whatsup is used for transfering a lot of media files. Delete them. Or some of them from time to time and that's it. Internal storage has nothing to do with how slow the device is. It's mostly because of android itself and OEM bloatware plus users (cr)apps that are just piling up with 86358962587 background services running 24/7. My Z2 tablet is close to one year without restart and still run as fast as after restart. With official MM FW, just rooted. uneducated users are the problem, not that much android as such.

EDIT: to be precise, 303 days without restart.

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And apps like Facebook, which is also a real hog. Notice that both of these apps are made by the same company!

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If no available flash memory is available, a lot of softwares and services can't write/update configuration files, cache files, etc, so they will show a lot of erros, don't open at all, etc.

Yeah, uneducated users are the problem... because they agree to use Android :D

PS: I don't use WhatsApp. Android just to test some softwares.

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There seems to be no quality control at Facebook. "Does it work? Yes? Ship it. Test later."

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Totally offtopic, but about a week ago my workmate asked me if I could set her Android Phone not to show all Whatsapp media in Gallery app. For people who use Whatsapp a lot, eg. many big group chats or so, the amount of transferred media is just enormous.

I did some google searching, and found three "solutions". First one is to put a file called .nomedia to Whatsapp media folders. This might have been working like years ago, but looks like it doesn't work anymore. Another "solution" is to hide Whatsapp media folders using some file browser etc, which prevents displaying any Whatsapp media in Gallery. Nevertheless, it doesn't prevent Whatsapp from downloading all the content, and also makes removing those media files more difficult for an average user. The last one is to disable automatic media download from Whatsapp settings. Which prevents you also to watch the media. And when you want to see them, you need also download them, which is not a solution at all.

Great job, Whatsapp.

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Are you sure it doesn't work? I think that would prevent it indexing new content added to that folder, but I wouldn't expect it to remove already indexed files from the database.

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folders with .nomedia get ignored completely from most media viewers/players. Even if it was indexed before. I'm using the same trick on my bravia.

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Like this.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...w-on-power.jpg

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I tried this earlier on my girlfriend's Android phone, and she said that it didn't work. Of course it's possible that I messed something up.

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I just backed this campaign.

Hopefully they make the 1.5M to start/continue the project properly.

They will return money if 1.5M is not raised but I rather loose my money to give them a shot of doing some good in the mobile market. We will get the linux phone someday. Hopefully its already this project.

Edit:
Actually no money is taken if goal is not met.

https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ and "updates":

"if you back the campaign using a credit card, we only pre-authorize your card; we will not (and cannot) charge your card until we cross the goal. Which means, you get to show your support early and get all the other "wait-and-see" folks to pile on! Feel free to back this campaign now (and pay later). Be the change you want to see!"

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I think I will back this project. I hate to say it but one of the reasons is that this company is located in the US an is more likely to provide good service here. One of my biggest gripes against Jolla is that their phones, as beautiful as they are, never had the proper frequencies to be fully functional in US. Even the Nokia N9 worked well in US although it was not sold or supported here.

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I plan to support them too but I will wait until pay week. I really hope the success! Like I said before they have HW skills already cause they already selling laptops. That was not the case of canonical and similar campaigns. So let's hope...

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I've been considering backing this project too. I'm somewhat sceptical on whether they can deliver and I have my doubts as to whether they will reach their goal.

Firstly, their campaign is dishonest:

How about the Neo Freerunner, GTA04 and Neo900? They are aware of the Neo900 project's existence as I mentioned it to them when filled in the Librem phone survey they put out several months ago. Their hardware design that separates the baseband from the CPU and has hardware kill switches is clearly influenced by the Neo900. I find it rather cheeky of them to claim to be the first.

Their campaign contains buzzwords that don't make any sense. WTF is "IP-native mobile handset" supposed to mean?

Another major concern for me is the lack of prototyping in their product schedule. They talk about one "dev board" and one "production board". Hardware development is not the same as software development. You can't just update a line of code if it fails to compile. Their campaign doesn't tell me that they have a lot of experience in developing this sort of hardware, thus it doesn't inspire me with much confidence. The Neo900 team had Openmoko experience. These guys have laptop experience. Is that really the same? As far as I'm aware, most phone manufacturers produce several prototypes before delivering a final product. I know Nokia did.

Having said all of that, this is the only project I've seen since the Neo900 which closely fulfils my requirements for a mobile phone. It's not explicitly stated what kernel will be used but it is somewhat implied that it will be based on mainline Linux when they say you'll be able to run most GNU/Linux distributions. They do state that they plan to provide patches to upstream projects although there is no explicit mention of the kernel.

My main fear would be if I back it, they reach their goal, but they fail to deliver. $600 is significantly more money than what the Neo900 guys asked for, and for the reasons stated above, I've less confidence in the Librem phone succeeding than the Neo900. It's not everyday I find phone that would meet my requirements. Do I take a punt? :confused:

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In some interview they said it is based on https://puri.sm/products/librem-11/ tablet.

So they have some HW skills at least.

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Until the neo900 actually ships I think it's fair to treat it like it doesn't exist. Other than that, I think we're pretty much on the same page...I'd love this thing to exist but I'm very skeptical about its chances of being delivered.

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I was referring to the Neo900 project, not the device. I know there is still a possibility that it may fail and we may never see the device but as I can still see regular, recent updates to their Git repositories, I think it's fair to treat it as if the project does exist. My complaint was that Purism claim to be "the first to seriously attempt this" when quite clearly this is not true. Even if there is still no device, I would at the very least assert that Neo900 have attempted it, not to mention the Freerunner and GTA04.

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Yeah that's fair enough. Maybe they consider the neo900 to be different as it's not going to ship with a fully free OS provided by the neo900 team (just the bits you'd need to build one)? Maemo isn't fully free after all - most of the SW focus of the neo900 has been around porting Maemo to it.

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I was just wondering. Is this device as pure as Ivory soap?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...e-other-56-100

What fraction of it do you think is not FOSS or not gnu compliant?

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I think what they are meaning here is that they are pushing TCP/IP based solutions over the typical GSM based options, and they are doing this by partnering with Matrix.org to produce a device with VoIP, video calling, and instant messaging out of the box rather than third-party bolt-ons.

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You could well be right there, however this sounds very similar to what Nokia introduced back in 2009 with the N900 when they allowed us associate accounts for SIP, Jabber, Skype, Google Talk, etc. with a contact. It all worked out-of-the-box, no third-party bolt-ons required. They didn't necessarily promote IP services over GSM services but they certainly made them first class citizens.

So that's yet another false "first ever" claim from Purism. :rolleyes:

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Indeed, on the more mainstream side of things this is the same with an iPhone you get iMessage (instant messaging) and Facetime (VoIP and video calling). And I think BlackBerry did it even before Nokia with Blackberry Messenger, so there's tons of prior art here.

But anyway, since when has marketing wank ever been 100% accurate without any hyperbole?

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Just looking at the numbers. After about 3 weeks Purism is at around 20% of its goal with about 6 weeks to go. Need to raise another million dollars. Right now, I'm not too optimistic about them making it... Hope they succeed.

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Also KDE is cooperating: https://www.kde.org/announcements/kd...sm-librem5.php

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For those who has missed it: They will use an open ARM platform not some shitty Qualcom garbage with closed drivers instead they will use:

https://www.nxp.com/products/microco...s:IMX6X_SERIES

or:

https://www.nxp.com/products/microco...rs:IMX8-SERIES

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I'd contribute but unfortunately the pricetag is too high for me.

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well, there's more than one way to look at it. Samsung and huawei are the only vendors that have something that can match the performance and they are even more shitty when it comes to openess. MTK...... no need to waste space on that crap. And the rest of ARMs are also mostly closed and undocumented. At the end all comes down to what do you want more but in reality of open source world, if you want performance and support you need to accept closed source drivers.

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"KDE Plasma Mobile Is Coming to the Purism Librem 5"
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/k...urism-librem-5

After this news there seems to be new spike in the orders. Close to 0.5M now and rising. :)

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Wonder if it would be possible port SFOS to this device. It has no android kernel so no need for hybris? But it will probably use wayland. I do not expect X11.

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same like raspberry pi and sfos is existing for

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Gnome getting involved.

https://puri.sm/posts/gnome-foundati...-5-smartphone/

https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/09/g...-5-smartphone/

600k :)
https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/

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This is getting exciting! Nearly half way there!

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Damn now it is Jolla's turn to show their support!

I hope they atleast reach 50% this weekend cmon cmon!!!

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The Linux gamer support them now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPS-EAqr9E

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Librem has reached 50% and raising. :cool:

https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/