Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

yes. further details on https://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_for_Exch...roubleshooting

You cannot change anything as the application is closed source ... but that's strange about not being able to open Ovi Maps :rolleyes:
try to reinstall the following packages:

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

How can I do that?
The following servers fail when trying to update (names
translated from German):
Nokia applications,
Nokia Systemsoftware update
Ovi

I guess servers are also offline.

syslog install with apt-get also does not work
"Couldn't find package syklogd"
Tried that on my 2nd N900: same error message.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

You need to show that you have put *some* effort to solving your problems ....
https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository has your answers

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Exchange works for me but in somewhat curious way. It only syncs automatically when it first enters the peak period at 6am, and then only when the network changes, for example from WiFi to 3G or vice versa. If I stay on WiFi all day then the first sync at 6am remains the only one. A manual sync works any time.

I had a case of Maps not starting too. The cause was a missing file .qf in MyDocs root. I overzealously deleted it thinking I would not need it.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

All I can say is that I had to diagnose a network problem a few weeks ago and had both a 7" LineageOS tablet with a USB keyboard portfolio case but I chose my N900 to diagnose the problem and then telnet in to change settings because I have no idea how to do that without spening hours hunting down a bunch of oddball android apps. The N900 is a real if impure GNU-Linux computer in your pocket. The an Android is just a fast accessory with a nice browser and a few extra sensors, especially NFC for transit card loading and reading. But I don't go out without my N900 even if it require also carrying a battery pod. I am staring down the barrel of a future where I feel I might have to build a small slider keyboard tablet from a wifi/bt Pi-zero and 3D print a case so I have a real up to date GNU/Linux pocket computer also suitable for browsing to tether to a 3g or 4g dumb phone with bluetooth.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

My 2 N900s are still my only phones. Last year I developed a Python GTK habit tracking app on one of them, which I've been using faithfully since to motivate me to do stuff each day/week.

I had set my laptop up using an inotify script to synch changes to my N900 and launch the app each time I wrote one of the source files from vim. That worked pretty well for testing purposes.

If I had time I would try to do more quick and dirty Python/GTK apps.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

As for me I have purchased it again after 3 & half year and still in love with it even though I Android phone for work and N9 (with Broken Screen) but this monster is the best even when playing with its system. Still and shall be the best phone ever made.

Even though N9 is amazing but will be compared to N900 ;)

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I am starting to carry my N900 around more these days, as my second phone ( i have a cheapo android phone ).
The more i use it the more i fall in love with it. I just hope the browser can handle modern webpages a bit better.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

The browser is mostly what's stopping me. It'll take literally over a minute to load the mobile reddit site, if it loads at all ):

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I would suggest reading up on what tweaking can be done....to improve performance and speed.

Mozilla or google will not update, maintain, or improve upon our browsers.
There is no profit in it for them any longer . Only loss.

"just hoping" things will get better will net you little improvement .

Disabling some things will speed things up for sure.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Am like you using it as a private phone or seconad phone not for work of course and frankly I do not rely on web browser too much just some mods am happy with as normal phone and hope to have a solution for it's browsers in the near future.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

" and hope to have a solution for it's browsers in the near future. "

Really.

Come on guys...

How many times must it be said.

Mozilla, Opera, Google are NOT coming back to update, make a new and better browser ...or anything of the sort.

The chances that an upstart new browser that has been developed specifically for the n900 ...is very very remote.
Likewise the chances that something just happening along ...that will work...on our hardware are equally remote.

There are 5 options.

#1 - Do nothing ..."hoping" something new will magically come around that miraculously works for us ...and until then live with what you have.
(and I wish you luck with that....I suggest you take a real good look at the last date the n900 browsers were updated and maintained by the dev's who ran them...It is so long ago ...they either work for other companies...got married...went into retirement homes...or are dead and buried...)

#2- Research and look at the effort it takes to build a browser...
If you think you can handle it ...go for it.

#3- Better still...
READ the helpful posts of those who have managed to make the browser slightly more functional....apply their wisdom and tweak what you have so that it gains a tiny bit more usability.

#4- Even Better-er .
Use an alternate os on your n900 ...
ie: one of the chroot variants of Easy Debian or Kali or....whatever is the most current ..
..which will give you a much better browser experience.

#5- Better-est still...
Petition Qole or one of the other Chroot Masters ...to make a chroot of Antix for the n900...
It has the best chance of running fluidly, with excellent compatibility, and a can have a very very small footprint ...
as in:
"it'll run on a toaster" ...
"it'll run on grandpa's wind-up pocket watch"
hell it needs so little resources to run...
I wouldn't be surprised if it could run off of two electrodes stuck in a potato...
So requirement - wise....it should have no problem whatsoever running on the n900
and it is a rolling release os ..much easier to keep up with ..

All told it should be lighter and smoother and faster in resources than Easy Debian or Kali...

And that means that all functions ...including ..browsing should be extremely fast.



So ..choice is yours...

you can be reactive and you can wait and hope all you wish...

or you can be proactive and do something about it.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Alternate OS is a solution. But for phone call support, that's another question! Anyway, the lack of 4G support is REALLY a problem now.

Of course Maemo OS is not the problem, that's the hardware...

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

How is lack of 4g a problem? It would only be a problem if 3g was shut down

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Yup...
It certainly doesn't help does it.
As a basic phone... some low impact functions like mail and texting and rss news feeds etc....3g is ok....but yes ...at this rate ...with all the very heavy sites ...that require more oomph ...it is getting bad....
Eventually...at this rate...the n900 will end up being a glorified n8x0... good for calls...but for everything else....wifi ...will be needed....

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I feel like it would be simpler (for a non-dev/beginner dev/general user) to set up a proxy that compresses images, strips JS, ads, etc. rather than using the browser as is/hoping for someone else to do it.

If I start using my n900 again as a main phone one day, that's probably the route I'll go.

Wouldn't be a problem if people designed their sites properly and didn't just throw in heaps of javascript libraries/frameworks "just because", and actually worked on making their sites small, fast, useful.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

HAHHAHHHHAAHHHHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAA
That was funny ...
enough so that it made me snort my coffee through my nose .
Thank you Mr_P.

and yup ....truth.

No need to make things harder for people.


Dillo and dooble are great....and for search there is the staid old..."Duck Duck Go"

Simple and clean.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I suppose it is the natural bureaucracy of things just to become more complex to the point of uselessness.

https://youtu.be/0B61_5sRoBI

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

http://i.imgur.com/OuvaSb8.jpg

How ironic

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Not gonna happen.

Antix (like Kali) is just another Debian derivative. It might have a very performance-saving pre-selection of packages, but there's nothing you can do with Antix that you couldn't do with a custom Debian setup (which ED has always been). So where Debian fails, Antix will fail.
Also, Antix only releases for the x86 architectures.

The reason why I haven't released an Easy Debian Stretch image is because Stretch comes with glibc 2.24 and this glibc hard-requires a recent(ish) kernel. Maemo's 2.6 kernel certainly doesn't do it anymore, even with tweaks. [1]

So unless someone gets a recent glibc-compatible kernel running for Maemo, there will be no updated chroots.

There might be a remote chance of setting up a chroot that is not based on glibc but on musl, because afaik musl still supports 2.6 kernels.
This however won't be practicable with typical desktop distributions like Debian, but would likely be done on top of some embedded distro like openwrt or Alpine.
I'm not familiar with those, so I don't know how hard it would be to equip them with an xserver and a browser.

Other than that I suggest you try to sort out the problems in netsurf on Maemo [2] if you want a recent browser.

Edit:
Another way out of this dilemma would be if someone worked out what difference between glibc 2.23 and 2.24 [3] is responsible for the latter no longer working on ancient kernels and patched that back into 2.24 while keeping the added functionality of 2.24 over 2.23.
That someone is certainly not me.


[1] https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...postcount=3257
[2] https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96579
[3] https://fossies.org/diffs/glibc/2.23_vs_2.24/

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Ah...
That explains volumes....
Thank you sulu.
I figured since antix is based on deb and it being so smartly built...
It would be a shoe in.....

It explains a great deal....

Hmmm.

I'm not the brightest lightbulb in the pack when it comes to the gut workings of the n900...
I am more savvy concerning the n8x0...
And I don't know if the n900 can manage some of the tricks the n8x0's can do...
But as you mention ...deb is stalled for us unless the specifics of glibc are dealt with...

And as you mention ...alternates possible that aren't quite debian based...ie : Alpine ...

I am not sure how possible or viable it is for the n900...
But for the n8x0...
There are a plethora (don't get a chance to use that word often...humor me.) of alternate os's that aren't based on deb ...some eclectic ..some not...that run fine on the n8x0's....
That maybe something to look at as well....

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

A website that doesn't use JavaScript to automatically call google-analyitics.com which helps Google to track visitors. :mad:

Very ironic. Thankfully I have a browser plugin which protected me.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Well spotted! I didn't even notice but I have my plug-ins too, luckily :)

If you look up the source, the author even left some comment before the <script> block

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

There used to be a clone of the website with the analytics removed, but it looks like it's down. I'm sure it was still working not too long ago.

Edit: to be clear, it isn't just the forum censor breaking the link.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Talking about irony, take care of what your plugins (like "web of trust"...) may be leaking too :
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...ally-anonymous

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

The N900 should be able to run anything the N8x0 can run.

In terms of chroots there are three differences between the two devices that might be relevant:

1. The N8x0 have even older kernels. Afaik there is a range of 2.6.21 to 2.6.23 (correct me if I'm wrong), while the N900 has 2.6.28. While in theory this would be an advantage for the N900, it doesn't matter from a practical POV. All of them are outdated beyond hope. 2.6.32 would be a slightly different story, because glibc still retains support for that due to some legacy RHEL version. But even 2.6.32 would merely delay the inevitable.
The lesson I have learned from the N900 (and probably some others too) is, that I will never again buy a device where I can't install a mainline kernel without losing core functionality.

2. The N900 (with KP) supports armhf. This doesn't actually boost performance, but it increases the range of possible candidate systems in chroots, because any armhf device can stiil run armel but not vice versa.

3. The N900's CPU is considerably faster. From today's POV it doesn't really matter, since it's the difference between "very slow" and "incredibly slow", but for some applications it might still make the difference between being usable and being not.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

The n900 running anything the n8x0 can?

I find that one REALLY hard to believe sulu.

Otherwise ...
Virtually all the work by penguinbait and qole ...back in the day on the n8x0 would have most certainly made its way to the n900.
And that is just the work of those two.

I suggest looking up exactly what the n8x0 managed to run ..
It is pretty impressive...and I never saw a minuscule fraction of any of it available for the n900.
And I seriously doubt it was due to lack of interest.

And that is just os-wise...

The work JUST those two did as well on alternate DE's and WM's for the n8x0 also is pretty impressive...
yet again ..I don't see the bulk of what they accomplished for the n8x0 ..available for the n900..

As far as applications go....
even something as mundane ...
(and as far as I feel ...SO needed...)..
I don't see an auto-updating auto-scrolling rss feed widget for the n900...
Or did I miss that?

Hell I don't see that for android or linux...
maybe I am not looking in the right places ...but I have yet to find anything on any other device than the n8x0's that offer that gem.

Or actual xmms .... which can handle 1000's and 1000's of songs in a playlist at a time...
that has a good list of plugins...
that has virtualization eye candy....
xmms can run on the n8x0...
why isn't it available for the n900?

sure we now have oscp for the n900 and n8x0...
which is much more well rounded than xmms...
But even still...why isn't there xmms for the n900 if it can run the same stuff the n8x0 can?

you would think from day 1 that THAT program would have been ported over ...or at least come stock...
BETTER..since the belief is that the n900 is such the up-tick in design and innovation over the n8x0.....the n900 should have come with or been ported xmms2 .....actually.


No I think ...when all is said and done...
If what the n8x0 ...( past tense as well...could , did...and still does) accomplish .....
it is a given then ....
with such certainty that the n900 is such a huge improvement and leap over the n8x0...
that if it were possible ...
it would have been almost immediately done ...and available for the n900 ....
So why not?

Is it that the same people who accomplished volumes for the n8x0 ...
and who also had the n900...
weren't interested in making the same things that the n8x0 available for the n900?
I find that hard to believe...

In short...
Precious little of what the n8x0 could accomplish made it's way to the n900.
Dig back ...and look enough and start writing down a list of the os's, de's, and wm's that folks got running on both the n900 and the n8x0 ...
and to my understanding ...on those 3 areas alone...
...
the n900 being slightly more updated ..with a little more ram ..
and the n900 being a physical "phone" as well ...
(and even then..sip and internet telephony and skype still work on the n8x0 ...so ...)
all of which are outdated.

is all the n900 has going for it compared to the n8x0 ...
in 2017.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Well comparing the hardware, the N900 /can/ run anything the n8x0 can.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I was merely talking about the capabilities of the HW and the base OS as supplied by Nokia. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
In that regard (HW+OS) the N900 is superior to the N8x0 in every aspect, except maybe screen size (where it's debatable whether bigger or smaller is better for a mobile device).

Maybe because nobody capable enough was interested enough in actually doing it.
The N900 may have been a step up from the N8x0, but basically it was just a reiteration of the same idea. So everybody who just made something for the N8x0 to see if it could be done had little incentive to repeat that for the N900.

I was late to the party, so I didn't have that experience with the N8x0. But when I started toying around with ED (which was some weird Lenny/Squeeze chimera back then), I just found it hard to believe that it should be impossible to get it all on a sane package base.
So I started to dig deeper out of pure curiosity and learned about all (well most) of the "magic" that was going on there. Becoming a de facto dev was absolutely not my initial intention and I might have never gotten to a point of knowing how to assemble working images, had ED been in perfect shape when I started using it.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

@ azkay:

Circulus in Probando

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

sulu ...the two gentlemen I referred to ...penguinbait and qole...both attempted to take their work from the n8x0 to the n900...
but they definitely had issues attempting... the particulars of their trials I do not know...
but little made it.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Well today's the day I'm retiring the N900 from daily work. The hardware and some of the software (especially the browser(s)) is just too out of date. From today I'm using a Droid 4 rooted and running Nougat, I'm planning to set up a full Linux desktop in a chroot on it. Hopefully the Neo900 project will work out.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

As sad as it is I am thinking about this more and more :(
(especially as my modem starts to die).
Carrying two devices all the time is just not convenient.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I wish there were more development with the Cherry Trail Atom AMD64 devices, drivers are a mess and I am not sure there is one with complete sound, WiFI, BT, sensors, camera, GPS, and of course telephony and data drivers for Linux(forget 3D accel), not even with bin-blob drivers. It would require a distro effort on par with LineageOS or Ubuntu but with tweaked feeds for every individual device unlike how one size fits all for most desktop and laptop computers.
I feel like this is the only current pathway for us to have a real easy to hack device again.
Maybe this is a bad attitude because AMD64 is as much so we cna have desktop compatibility with crappy closed bin executables and libs as drivers.

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

The N900 browser has quite simple solution. Trying to run modern browser will never work - the device does not have enough RAM and fast CPU for it.

But the solution is quite simple - use fast server to render pages for you. Did this myself with VNC. I had chrome running on my debian server. It was very usable compared to the native N900 browsers.

We could have app for this. The basics could be really simple. Send url to server -> receive rendered png.

I always wanted to write it. But i am not coding in my free time and not using N900 anymore, alhought i miss it - it was greatest phone of all times, i love it (both software and HW).

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Neat, but how will you pass links on the png'ified-page back to the server end?

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

And fill forms?

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

Indeed. Why bother with writing an app? VNC should work fine. You can even use Xzibit to share only the web browser window instead of the whole desktop. What you see is what you get. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself!)

Re: N900 daily Work in 2017?
 

I honestly thought this was a joke for a moment.