| Prev |   1     2   3   4     5   | Next | Last
maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   SailfishOS (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52)
-   -   2.1.0/Iijoki EA (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=98885)

salyavin 2017-02-13 22:05

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Jolla's latest mobile OS upgrade focuses on the basics
Sailfish OS is adding features you may take for granted elsewhere.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/12/...on-the-basics/

Jaracz 2017-02-14 08:32

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by meet.vino (Post 1523258)
Is there any known issues with android apps? Especially Whatsapp or Hike Messenger?

I had some problems in WhatsApp not showing pictures took with a camera after this update.

But... This update rocks. GUI is much smoother, Browser too, Camera makes the photos faster and the response time of the device is much better! Great job, Jolla!

Best regards,

Jaracz

gaelic 2017-02-14 09:52

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salyavin (Post 1523441)
Jolla's latest mobile OS upgrade focuses on the basics
Sailfish OS is adding features you may take for granted elsewhere.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/02/12/...on-the-basics/

Yep, that's a real problem.
Though, I can't let the excuse count that Jolla is small. Many of the essential stuff still not implemented already existed e.g. in Meego and is available in iOS & Android since years, often available as Opensource.

mosen 2017-02-14 11:10

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Ok, sorry for sounding like an unreflected fanboy but how awesome is font size change?
Such a tiny feature completely explains the beautitude of the overall UI.
I was not really missing it but now that i set Fontsize to very big for my near 40 year old eyes the whole "screenestate" paradigm makes more sense then ever:
"Hey look, i am more readable to you now but am still able to present all necessary info while still looking 100% familiar".
No awkward clipping in any native app. Very thought through.
I showed the updated J1 to my tech savey homies again after long time and they where most impressed by the fact that the update speeds up overall UX on 3 years old HW.
Please keep it coming. I have a feeling of turning tides for the first time since i bought any Jolla device.

kinggo 2017-02-14 11:49

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1523238)
for me, app grid is only available from home. Swipe up in apps just scrolls if there is something to scroll through or does nothing.

but it works for app that support landscape.
and in landscape I cant swipe to home, only to events

willi6868 2017-02-14 12:17

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1523238)
for me, app grid is only available from home. Swipe up in apps just scrolls if there is something to scroll through or does nothing.

You have to swipe starting from the screen bezel (outside of the LCD screen) and if this is not working for you then you might ****ed it up with some patches and need to reinstall lipstick. :D

kinggo 2017-02-14 15:22

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by willi6868 (Post 1523460)
You have to swipe starting from the screen bezel (outside of the LCD screen) and if this is not working for you then you might ****ed it up with some patches and need to reinstall lipstick. :D

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ae/ae628...6f956cac41.jpg

and it doesn't work without patches. And it worked before with patches.

Bundyo 2017-02-14 16:28

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gaelic (Post 1523451)
Yep, that's a real problem.
Though, I can't let the excuse count that Jolla is small. Many of the essential stuff still not implemented already existed e.g. in Meego and is available in iOS & Android since years, often available as Opensource.

Sailfish OS is not based on MeeGo, you know - Harmattan is still in the evil paws of Nokia Corp.

deprecated 2017-02-14 16:43

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Anyone had any success with updating a community port device to 2.1 yet? I'm considering just going for it on my Nexus 5. I didn't wait for confirmed successes to try 2.0.5.6, but I have a feeling this is a little bit more than an incremental update.

MartinK 2017-02-14 16:49

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1523472)
Sailfish OS is not based on MeeGo,

Well, Sailfish OS does use a lot of components that were originally developed or selected at MeeGo, like Ofono, Maliit, MIC, RPM, systemd, Qt based UI.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1523472)
you know - Harmattan is still in the evil paws of Nokia Corp.

Harmattan wasn't really that much MeeGo based - it had some components from it but IMHO it was closer to a final generation of Maemo - for example it still used deb packages and upstart.

And for sure there was a substantial amount of system components and default applications that were and remained proprietary.

matemana 2017-02-14 17:00

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1523474)
Anyone had any success with updating a community port device to 2.1 yet? I'm considering just going for it on my Nexus 5. I didn't wait for confirmed successes to try 2.0.5.6, but I have a feeling this is a little bit more than an incremental update.

I have Nexus 5 and Nexus 4. I tried it first on my Nexus 4 it did not booted after update. I thought fresh install would work. Installed 2.0.5.6 and directly updated, but still did not booted. So no, there is no way i'm trying it on my Nexus 5 too.

Bundyo 2017-02-14 18:48

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1523475)
Well, Sailfish OS does use a lot of components that were originally developed or selected at MeeGo, like Ofono, Maliit, MIC, RPM, systemd, Qt based UI.


Harmattan wasn't really that much MeeGo based - it had some components from it but IMHO it was closer to a final generation of Maemo - for example it still used deb packages and upstart.

And for sure there was a substantial amount of system components and default applications that were and remained proprietary.

Yes, I'm aware of all of this. The point was that the missing features were mostly in the UI components and that couldn't be simply taken from Harmattan as its UI was not open.

Bundyo 2017-02-14 18:50

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
I've upgraded my OPX, everything went well and it didn't boot to UI. I had SSH enabled on it, so I simply downgraded to 2.0.5.6 again.

salyavin 2017-02-15 23:24

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
This release ended up on osnews as well, at least we are remembered
http://www.osnews.com/story/29658/Sa...2_1_0_released

This update, 2.1.0 alias Iijoki brings major architectural changes to Sailfish OS by introducing Qt 5.6 UI framework, Bluez5 Bluetooth protocol (ready to be deployed for development purposes), basics for the 64-bit architecture and text selection in browser. Included is also a beta level implementation for Virtual Private Networks (VPN) (please read release notes) and the first version of QML live coding support. In addition, 2.1.0 adds bigger fonts to the UI, improves the use of camera and fixes a number of errors, many of which were reported by our developer community.

Maybe I'll get around to updating my Jolla phone and tablet at some point, but I really don't see a reason why. Since I reviewed Sailfish OS and the Jolla phone more than three years ago, nothing has been done to address the elephant in the room. The operating system itself was quite stable, good-looking and full-featured from the beginning, and that has only improved with the constant stream of updates and refinements. However, the application situation is still incredibly dire, and we're all still using the same few applications - updated only very infrequently - that we were using three years ago. Several have even died out.

Instead of investing in attracting developers to write Sailfish applications (the three year old promises of support for paid applications still hasn't been fulfilled, for instance), the company got distracted with crazy projects like the tablet, and investing heavily in making Android applications 'run' on Sailfish. While Android applications do 'run', it's still a slow, frustrating, and utterly jarring experience that's a complete and utter waste of resources. Had they spent even half the effort spent on Android application compatibility on attracting native developers, the platform would be in a far better state.

Jolla proclaimed they wanted to take over the world, but in doing so, lost touch with the very people they should've continued to focus on: open source/Linux-oriented enthusiasts, former Maemo/N900 users. Not a large group of people, of course, but definitely a big enough - and, more importantly, loyal enough! - group of people to sustain a small, community-focused company.

Whatever.

Jolla's CEO Sami Pienimäki penned a letter to the community about upcoming developments for the company. There's some stuff in there about Russia and tablet refunds.

Feathers McGraw 2017-02-15 23:32

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deprecated (Post 1523474)
Anyone had any success with updating a community port device to 2.1 yet?

It works on FP2 now with the right repo enabled.

mosen 2017-02-16 10:42

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salyavin (Post 1523537)
...*snip*
Maybe I'll get around to updating my Jolla phone and tablet at some point,... *snip*

In other words, we have a wasted Jtab here :mad:
Wines about how the ecosystem does not advance and sits on a Jtab he not even uses to educate others or at least spread a positive view.

nthn 2017-02-16 11:42

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salyavin (Post 1523537)
it's still a slow, frustrating, and utterly jarring experience that's a complete and utter waste of resources.

SLOW? I could agree with jarring/frustrating because Android applications work so differently (by which I mean worse) to Sailfish applications, but slow? If people on TJC are to be believed, Android web browsers on Sailfish are even faster than the native browsers. In any case I've never had any issues with Android applications running any less fast than what I would expect.

mosen 2017-02-16 12:33

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1523561)
SLOW?

I guess he is not comparing on same spec level...
Like, "A nexus5 is also 3 years old but runs android apps much faster" kind of comparison.
But i doubt even that and think he is completly unfair in comparing to the recent android warhorse in his pocket without differentiating and mention in the text.

matemana 2017-02-16 17:44

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salyavin (Post 1523537)
Instead of investing in attracting developers to write Sailfish applications (the three year old promises of support for paid applications still hasn't been fulfilled, for instance), the company got distracted with crazy projects like the tablet, and investing heavily in making Android applications 'run' on Sailfish. While Android applications do 'run', it's still a slow, frustrating, and utterly jarring experience that's a complete and utter waste of resources. Had they spent even half the effort spent on Android application compatibility on attracting native developers, the platform would be in a far better state.

LOL did you even try android support on SFOS before writing this?

This is all false!!! I have working aliendalvik with gapps package (i made rpm for it actually) on my Nexus 4. It's not even official phone it's ported and android apps run faster then they ran when i had 7.1.1 nougat on this same phone! even on my nexus 5 android apps run faster on SFOS with dalvik then on android. That's because SFOS itself is much lighter and faster then android. also maybe that aliendalvik uses faik services and somethings just to run android apps so they are not really doing anything.

Also my nexus 5 with SFOS with aliendalvik enabled at boot boots to the homescreen 6 seconds faster then it does on nougat 7.1.1. shutfown speeds are faster compare to android as well.
Although i can't tell this about nexus 4. It takes aaaaages before it shuts down on SFOS. But Nexus 4 is waaay better supported for SFOS then Nexus 5. It almost feels like Nexus 4 is official phone. I can't tell it about Nexus 5 though.

juiceme 2017-02-16 17:58

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
@mosen, @nthn, @matemana;

Note that it is NOT @salyavin who is bashing SFOS here.
He's just quoting from the osnews article he linked to... :)

mosen 2017-02-16 18:43

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1523591)
@mosen, @nthn, @matemana;

Note that it is NOT @salyavin who is bashing SFOS here.
He's just quoting from the osnews article he linked to... :)

Yes, i hope i made clear i meant the OP of the article! Thanks @salyavin for finding and sharing!

nthn 2017-02-16 21:24

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1523591)
@mosen, @nthn, @matemana;

Note that it is NOT @salyavin who is bashing SFOS here.
He's just quoting from the osnews article he linked to... :)

Absolutely! I wanted to post my comment on that site, but comments had already closed. At least a couple of other people already made some remarks.

clovis86 2017-02-21 14:07

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to change the general threshold of swiping.
IMO, It's harder to swipe from every border of the screen since last EA SFOS update.
Is it just me ?

Jaracz 2017-02-21 14:28

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
No, it's not just you. It's really harder..

clovis86 2017-02-21 14:34

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
I'm asking this because Coderus did a settings in patchmanager V2 to modify the behaviour of the swipe down ( thresold )
Quote:

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1523823)
Published v1.5.0 with patch options to enable/disable swipe to lock feature and change it threshold.

http://reho.st/preview/self/d503d931...3776540493.png

pichlo 2017-02-21 14:46

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clovis86 (Post 1523836)
Does anyone know if it's possible to change the general threshold of swiping.
IMO, It's harder to swipe from every border of the screen since last EA SFOS update.
Is it just me ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaracz (Post 1523838)
No, it's not just you. It's really harder..

Are you two on Jolla C? There have been previous reports to a similar effect.
I have not noticed any difference on my Jolla 1.

clovis86 2017-02-21 14:50

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Yes, I'm on Jolla C
Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1523205)
I have some serious troubles with swiping up, like the app drawer.
This happened after the update, and only effecting to my Jolla C.
My old Jolla does not have this problem....

Am i the only one having this issue?

No, you're not alone ! :)

nthn 2017-02-21 15:59

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
It's a known issue on Jolla C and Aqua Fish. No problems on any other devices as far as I'm aware.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...a-c-aqua-fish/

mrsellout 2017-03-23 13:46

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
2.1.0.10 just popped up. 110MB (coming from 2.1.0.9 EA).
Release notes from TJC
2017-03-23: 2.1.0.10 Early access release for Jolla 1, C and Tablet. Fixes for instance for camera ticking and CalDAV sync issues.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...tes-210iijoki/

velox 2017-03-23 14:13

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1525869)
2.1.0.10 just popped up. 110MB (coming from 2.1.0.9 EA).

Funny, on my Jolla1 on 2.1.0.9 EA it says only 20MB.

edit: Although i thought something might've been corrupted I've tested it for you: No problems whatsoever, fastest SFOS update I ever did. Forgot to undo my patches, though, but you can't blame the update for that. :)
edit2: None of the patches were really affected... I now disabled and re-enabled them, restarted lipstick and everything is nice again.

pichlo 2017-03-23 14:24

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
20MB on mine too. Downloading very slowly.

okourkoulos 2017-03-23 14:33

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
I am stuck with 2.1.0.9.
Keep getting notified for new release 2.1.0.9 but in settings it seems updated to 2.1.0.9 already.
Problem is that I cannot update, because it cannot search for an updated version. Keeps saying that I checked two months ago! and that's it.
I'll try to update via terminal, again! as previous version. Same problem!

mscion 2017-03-23 14:33

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1525869)
2.1.0.10 just popped up. 110MB (coming from 2.1.0.9 EA).
Release notes from TJC
2017-03-23: 2.1.0.10 Early access release for Jolla 1, C and Tablet. Fixes for instance for camera ticking and CalDAV sync issues.

https://together.jolla.com/question/...tes-210iijoki/

Oh. Dang! This is still early release. Should read more carefully. My tablet is still on 2.0.5.6...

coley 2017-03-23 15:08

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Would love to know what the cause of that damn camera tick was....

coderus 2017-03-23 15:17

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coley (Post 1525874)
Would love to know what the cause of that damn camera tick was....

https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfisho...9/pull/1/files

romu 2017-03-23 15:47

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1525869)
Fixes ... CalDAV sync issues.

Damned :eek: After all these years...

Feathers McGraw 2017-03-23 16:22

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Might be slightly off topic, but I've noticed I have a very high load average (~13). I started noticing issues a while after I upgraded to 2.1.0.9 on fairphone 2, where new processes/apps won't start.

Can people please post the output of the uptime command along with which device and SFOS version they are using, so I can judge if this is normal? Thanks.

mrsellout 2017-03-23 16:46

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by romu (Post 1525876)
Damned :eek: After all these years...

Chris Adams is making an effort to rout any CalDAV/CardDAV issues. He has invited community members to meetings on IRC and has posted up some rpms for people to test here:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...ers-requested/

TMavica 2017-03-23 16:59

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Clear clipboard in android fixed

chilango 2017-03-23 17:04

Re: 2.1.0/Iijoki EA
 
Hy there,
i have since 2.1.0.9 on sailfish update the notion update 2.0.5.6 ready for installation.
No i made update to 2.1.0.10 but it still like to "update" of version 2.0.5.6
where is the update-file that i have to delete?


| Prev |   1     2   3   4     5   | Next | Last
All times are GMT. The time now is 13:09.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8