Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

You can pull pulley menus from anywhere from screen.
Its app developer problem if they dont code it as it should work. I dont know if there is any guidelines by Jolla.

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Except when you have a vertically scrolling content. File managers, email clients, media players, galleries, text editors, take your pick. You can reach the pulley only when you are at the top or when the app contains some kind of an "anchor" - but then you cannot pull the menu "from anywhere on the screen", you need to grab it by the anchor.

That is not the app developer's fault, that is the OS design fault.

This has been discussed a million times and Jolla and some of their users are in denial about that, which means nothing is going to change. So there is little point talking about it again. Not in this thread.

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Excuse me but this is simply not true. I have checked every use case you are mentioning with Jolla's default apps and I can pull from anywhere on the screen in most cases. One exception is the gallery where I have to pull from the top half of the screen when I am viewing a picture.
Maybe you are using 3rd party apps but then it is not the OS design's fault.
So yes, we don't need to discuss it again but as usual you are the provocative one and maybe it's you that you are in denial.

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I think you misread r0kk3rz' post, he gave pulley menus as an example of a way to solve reaching for the top of the screen.

You must have an enormous screen or almost nothing on your device, because there's no way to use the pulley menu without scrolling back to the top in Messages, Email, People, Notes, Clock, Calendar, Phone, Store, Media, Gallery or any other application which doesn't have an anchor. I don't understand why they still have not figured out a way to make it work if you're in the middle of a long list and don't want to lose your position.

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Sure but this does not mean I have to physically extend my finger to the top of the screen which would be uncomfortable. Having to scroll to the top of the list so that a pulley menu is accessible is inconvenient but irrelevant to the screen size debate.

Anyway, back to the thread topic.

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

so.... right third of the screen shoud be for scroling and the rest for pulley menu

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To get back to the subject:

Nicolas, from JollaFr just got the time to write some articles about what has been twitted/streamed already:
http://jollafr.org/demonstration-de-...atch-en-video/
http://jollafr.org/presentation-vide...s-sailfish-os/

Those are in French, so here is a translation of some chosen sentences which I have not yet seen in this thread:
About the Sailfish Watch, it is said:
Which would be translated by :
About the Sony Xperia-X:
Would be translated by:
Feel free to corrected my proposed translations if you see some mistakes in them.

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

I would not mind pay a small fee for the support. But those getting a FP2 now should get an option to install it from begining without fee.

Why? Because FP2 would maybe sell some more devices if they did. That's a win for all.

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No this is just a history repeating itself == We will never see the device in the shop only a few geeks can buy it on ebay as the case with other so called collaborations.

That's why the better play with small playes like FP2. I bet they could get some more attention doing that than collaborate with big players where no one except a few geeks on maemo will buy it.

I am sorry sound negative but I have my doubt.....

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That is exactly WHY fairphone should ship with SFOS. Win Win for all.

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Where has this worked before for handheld devices? I'm curious because I see it often proffered however I cannot for the life of me say where this **** has ever been accepted and brought happiness to more than just a handful of users. And by handful, I mean like 5. Not 50,000 or higher.

No. It's a win for you. And only you. You backed FP2, it's failing you and now you want to yell, kick and scream ad nauseum until you think you get what you deserve.

That's a very vicious cycle because rarely do people get what they want unless they do it for themselves. Which... explains all of us here. Maemo gave us the platform to do a lot of what made us happy. Sadly, it's gone.

And to date, no real device has given that glimpse of happiness back. So... start back at the beginning of this reply...

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LOL Seriously, you are totally wrong about me yelling.

I already said my FP2 works very well with SFOS. But I do think it would be a good idea if FP2 did have official SFOS if they want to survive.

I personally did realise from begining that, like Jolla, they may go bancrupt and dissapear. That would be a shame since companies like Fairphone is important this days. Small companys should cooperate with each other. Big companies just eats them up and all visions dies. Thats why I buys stuff from small companies.

Also we can't continue shopping new stuff every half year as w do in western countries this days it is just crazy and stupid.

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

There's a great feature on this forum which I discovered a while ago... http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=ignorelist

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That's from this thread alone. But okay, perhaps you're not yelling like your norm and cursing out whomever hoping that they become bankrupt "soon". But it's not hard to label your posts as yelling, per usual.

It's important to you, I get it.

Trust me. We don't want to do that either. I don't.

Anyway, back to the thread. Jolla on different devices is a potentially good thing. Now, let's see when it happens.

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Here is a Youtube video of the entire press event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysot1SNi_XA

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Wait... Now if that was so big with Sony why was there not even a representant from Sony on the press event?

Or did I miss it when fast forward the video? :eek:

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It was big for Jolla, probably not so much for Sony. :)

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That's why I don't take it serious. It only yet another fanboyish event seen it before...

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Jolla posted a compilation video from MWC17.

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Is that a tablet 47 seconds in?
When they gonna release that bad boy!!

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As I have been negative and people at TMO do think I am troll what about this statement?

"This collaboration will eventually bring official Sailfish OS support to Sony Xperia devices."

.................................................



https://blog.jolla.com/wrapping-up-mwc-2017-jolla/

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

Whats wrong with that statement?

This post of yours is proof that you're still a troll :rolleyes:

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Eventually... it may happen. It may not. It didn't happen today; so we hope that it will tomorrow.

When it does happen, it'll be a good thing. If it does not, then let's hope that somebody else delivers a viable option.

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I assume you're not a native speaker and I assume that in your language there's a word that's similar to "eventually", but means something different.

In German, for example, we have "eventuell". It means something along the lines of "it might happen, it might as well not happen". Because of this, generations of students have misunderstood English texts at school.

So maybe there's something in your language that keeps you from understanding the sentence?

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

I know you know the language pretty well. But I dont think you should read that line in its own context but rather in what jolla(and others) has said before and then didnt deliver on that.

So then it's 50-50 that it's happen and not happen then :D I know where I put my money.

So in English it will happen?
In German it might happen?
In jolla language it probobly won't happen?

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

There are nuances to the word "eventually" in English which justify its existence along its synonyms.
However, in the sentence in question, its meaning is unambiguous: "eventually" = "finally"

Well, everything is "possoble" in Jolla language :)

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

"Eventuell/eventuellt" in Swedish also has the German meaning. That's a problem with closely related languages.

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Don't know what you are talking about.

I have a nice OS
I have 2 Jolla 1
I have 1 Jolla Tablet :p
I have 1 Jolla Community device

So to bring it together, I got everything they promised me.

Of course there are some people which haven't got all of the things promised. But to be honest, I was very aware on every order I made, that there is a good chance not to get it.

If you want to achieve something special, that's just the way it is. If you want to get rich you have to risk something. If you want to get a special device you have to risk something. As long as I know the people do as much they can do, to get things done, I'm pleased. Not always lucky but pleased.

And Dave, if you have never made mistakes and never have failed, all my respect to you. But if not, I hope there weren't people around you, which always repeated every 5 minutes, how incompetent you are and that you still owe them something and you have cheated them.

Maybe something you should think about but eventually you won't do.

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

to add to the confusion, remember that most of Jolla's staff is not a native speaker either, so what is written here can either be a pure english usage of this word, or a mistaken one biased from their own native langage ;)

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

Apart from the wording.
You have to understand, Jolla is obviously announcing each and every lead they work out into an agreement with another partie just to have any kind of positive news but software updates.
To keep my heartrate in check: i sort Jolla marketing announcements into only 3 categories

1. We started to work with XYZ on 123
2. Actual release of 123 (hooray we are shipping)
3. Sadly, 123 did not work out due to ABC reasons.

I do not want to criticise the teasing and speculation inviting tactics to much, Jolla simply does what everyone thinks the market requires in terms of marketing.
I am not convinced this spiel is actually necessary.
But thats a bold thing to ask an try, maybe 100% pants down honesty only works for even smaller companys with much less investors money at stake.

Re: Jolla at MWC 2017
 

True, I hadn't thought of this. Now, when they say "soon", what exactly... and in what language...?

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Oh, I know that!
"Soon" is german and means "eventuell"… wait.

But as with other things, I choose to believe they'll pull this off.

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not exactly,
But soon translates to "Bald" in german.
So for english speakers it seems to be including loss of all hair in the meantime.

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Yes me fail....

:rolleyes:

swedish eventuellt <=> english perhaps

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When there's a phone available that runs SailfishOS in Australia I'll buy it.

Hopefully it also says Nokia on it, but if It says Sony I'm ok with that.

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There has been some activity related to the China announcement http://telegra.ph/Sailfish-China-con...on-phase-04-05

Helsinki, Finland, April 5, 2017 - Jolla Ltd., the Finnish mobile company and developer of open mobile operating system Sailfish OS announces that Sailfish China OS is proceeding into implementation phase. Jolla expects that within 6 months China will have its own independent mobile operating system, based on Sailfish OS.

Earlier this year (press release February 27), Jolla announced that it has granted a Sailfish OS license to a Chinese consortium, giving the consortium an exclusive license and rights to further develop a Chinese operating system based on Sailfish OS. The Sailfish China consortium will develop Sailfish OS based solutions for secure smartphones, the automotive industry, TV, IoT and smartwatches. The Sailfish consortium targets to invest 250 million USD to the Sailfish ecosystem development in China.


Chairman of Jolla Ltd., Antti Saarnio comments:

“As President of China is just now visiting Finland, we are proud to announce that the Sailfish China project is proceeding very well, and we have now started the implementation phase of the project. We expect that in less than 6 months China will have its own independent mobile operating system based on Sailfish OS.” Sailfish OS is the only mobile operating system, which is available for countries to license.

It origins from Nokia’s MeeGo operating system, which Jolla’s start-up team further continued and created into Sailfish OS.

Saarnio continues: “This is an excellent example of technological collaboration between Finland and China. I expect that many similar collaboration projects will follow. There has been many Chinese projects aiming to develop a mobile operating system, but they all have failed. It takes several years to develop an operating system, and it is much wiser to utilize existing technology, and license it.”

“Personally I believe that Finland and China can both benefit hugely from sharing technologies. To accelerate this, Finland and China could create joint R&D centers in the core technology areas such as mobile, clean tech, energy technology, and others.”

Currently Sailfish OS is licensed by Russia and China. Jolla is actively negotiating with new partner countries.

Saarnio concludes: “We expect that by 2022, 10 to 20 countries have followed Russia’s and China’s example and are building their secure mobile communication based on Sailfish OS. With Russia being already on board, Sailfish OS is ideal to be used in the whole one belt one road area.”