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And then this 🤔 https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...13d865a963.jpg

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Well, I'm kinda disappointed - I guess I expected something more after all the waiting without any incremental updates since the initial announcement.

Oh well - at least it's finally officially confirmed one can buy a Xperia X now and then flash a supported Sailfish OS image on it at some unspecified point of time when it actually becomes available.

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According to what I read on GSMArena, they are basically the same phone, the Compact has just a smaller screen. So I guess we can be positive the X Compact will see a port....soon :D

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Yes, he meant Jolla will not sell Xperia X devices. But they think about selling the image (or maybe pieces of software?).

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So, who of you is cbeta-member and will be testing the Xperia X port?
I am eagerly waiting for first hand reports :)

Anyone has an idea how big the cbeta group is?

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When I see this from the blog

"We can officially support only a limited amount of different community devices. Therefore, we need to be smart about the next devices as support for those devices may be coming a lot later than support for the first device. When we plan the supported next Sony device after Xperia X we need to consider a few things: do we choose hardware with similar chipset or not (supporting different chipset vendor would be a lot more work), how popular is the device, and of course we need to check if the community has progressed well with some certain device port. In this case, it has potential to be the next officially supported device."

I think of a very old article from a blog call "My disagreement with Elop on MeeGo".

https://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/0...elop-on-meego/

"Nobody I know believes what Elop said, and let’s keep in mind that Elop is not an expert in this area, we are. So my guess is that he got his information from some upper management guy who didn’t know what he was talking about either.

As I explained Elop, if we wanted to ship 10 devices with OMAP 3 (the same platform of the Nokia N9) today, there is absolutely no problem from the software point of view: all the UI software remains the same, and the hardware adaptation would probably require few modifications, if any.

The problem is when porting to an entirely new hardware platform, say Snapdragon. Suppose only 3 devices are planned on the “years immediately ahead”, well, then it makes sense to have 3 different hardware platforms, and each one of those requires work from the hardware adaptation team, not from the upper layers, though. However, that’s not a technical limitation, it could very well be 30 devices instead of 3, it’s basically the same amount of work for us. IOW; what matters is the hardware platform, not the number of different devices.

Note: all these are merely examples, not actual plans

Funnily enough, Windows Phone only supports one hardware platform: Snapdragon (and in fact only certain chips). So MeeGo already has an advantage over Windows Phone; you could ship more devices on more hardware platforms. All we need is the word.

Not to mention the fact that most of the hardware adaptation is already done by hardware vendors. They do it because it’s the easiest way to demo their hardware (it’s Linux). I tried to explain that on an earlier post where I show many examples of people porting MeeGo to a plethora of devices (it’s easy and fun)."

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Well damn, I guess I'm gonna get me a Xperia X Compact and play the wait game for Sailfish OS. Maybe I can learn to live with Android for the time being. Really don't want a big phone, IMO N9 was the perfect size.

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Well, after more reading in the Jolla Blog James confirmed that Sailfish OS will not be downloaded for free, now the question is how much will be cost? 🤔https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4b6225e484.jpg

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Seems like Xperia X Compact is, at least in this round, what is being build for.
An Xperia X is on my way :)

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I guess i will pay for the Sailfishos image to finance my own oustanding 50% refund of the tablet, somehow schizophrenic :-)

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I wonder if every image will be the same (generic) or will be individually watermarked.

If latter, than it would be worse than android. Every device will be tied not only to your phone, but to your credit card number and name + address. And Jolla will keep this info somewhere. And it could be hacked or stolen.

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I've been watching stupid moves from Jolla but this one beats them all :mad:

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It makes sense that it's not free with exchange and alien dalvik for android support. I'm just curious how good it handles the android apps and the future support for upgrading (i.e. MM -> N -> O and so on). I'm not in the argument of "Go buy an android phone if you want android app" but the bottomline is to have essential apps to live on as daily driver device no matter it's for personal or business use. I'm forced to abandon BB10 to iOS because the ecosystem of B10 can't support for my business need.

I'm willing to pay for the premium for OS that is so optimized and required much less hardware resource to run smoothly on non-high-end device as long as user experience is good. But too bad that in reality most of the people would compare the hardware spec when it comes to price.

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Wouldn't they just use the Jolla account to verify purchased images? Currently it's used for early adopter updates amongst other things (eg limited ed. TOH ambiences I think), so I guess it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to bring this into the loop.

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So now we would have every device tied to Jolla account which has all our info? Just like Google.play account, only worse, cause it's mandatory. How nice.

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How?

In my opinion this is the best news in a long time. I've been worried that they would have been forced to close the business several times.

My Jolla 1 is getting worse to use, screen is failing. I'm going to get an Xperia X. Happiness :D

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I think they could have a generic image and the "paid" stuff could be installed later from the store after some sort of activation/license code entry/whatever. I think it could more or less work out of the box (minus the activation bits) as it's already possible to install Android & Exchange support from the store.

BTW why you don't want different per-user images:

• you need to store or generate sizeable per user image vs just storing a single generic image per device
• harder to verify you image is not corrupt or maliciously modified, as you would need to provide & check checksums per user
• all the privacy implications of tying personal details and device information together by the per-user image

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I know it's terribly off-topic, but what would happen if Jolla decides to officially support an existing port, say, the one to OPX? Would they be in breach of any law?

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I uttered that concern before.
I dont think they do so using AOSP sources.
But,
Google have some requirements that must br met for example Android logo in a specific position.

I am, still, wondering about other propriatary stuff. For example WiFi binary blobs, Qualcomm blobs, modem abd bootloaders.
I hope not, but manufacturers are paying quite big licensing fees to Qualcomm.

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I hope they are IMEI based instead of tied to the account...

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I would hope for generic image with no ties at all.
Actually, if they release it with any ties and phone-home stuff inside, I'll pass.

Any android phone with lineageos would be a better option for me.

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i hope they achieve something, full stop.

i'm now at the end of my second android phone post n9, i don't want to have to use** a third!

** buying a third is obviously fine...

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Beware, the 'Compact' part of the name is a big lie!

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You all wrapped up nicely, thanks for the read and your thoughts.
I am happy. Not only because i kind of predicted a paid image and now will get an organic benefit in form of an image where i previously simply wanted to donate the refund for no direct return.
But i had fear jolla would not stay true to the new "we are a software company" alignment and cause havok for themselves by having to cover or forward any kind of HW support again :p

Next rumor, what better timing to finally start a paid store and sell "Jolla Propriatary Bits" package?
It would have many benefits over setting up the payment via ex Jolla Hardware shop and sending out either activation keys or individual images, would'nt it?

But we have a potential grime factor if they make whatever they sell too expensive.
Exactly covering the amount of the refund would smell like a cheap cop out to many people, so i hope they will keep the price at around 50€ so you can have at least two licenses for one 2nd refund amount.

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I like the idea of paying for SFOS closed parts, that makes a lot of sense.

One question though; would you prefer a single package that contains all the functionality or being able to purchase them feature-by-feature?

For example, I'd like to leave out the android compability layer, and prefer not to pay for that. Heck, I'd even pay a bit more for being able to leave it off my device!

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ITT: people guessing what the technical details of the implementation might be and then freaking out about it as if it's true and confirmed :confused: . Such a frustrating read.

Nobody knows how they will implement this, but here's a more likely scenario:

Jolla creates a PC tool to help non-technical people flash their Sony phone with a Sailfish image. This tool may be proprietary, and may require payment before it downloads and flashes the Sailfish image.

That's it. No need to freak out.

It doesn't mean that experienced users would have to use the proprietary tool, or that once installed the images will be tied to a specific account, or that they will include a load of DRM to prevent unlicensed copying.

Jolla only has to make it easier to pay, and most people will pay. This community has enough technical know-how to dump an image from one device and share it if we want, but I think most people here recognise that it's worth paying to support the company.

Jolla will also want to make it possible for as many people as possible to try Sailfish, and not everyone knows how to flash a phone.

My theoretical scenario ^ would fit with what we know about how Jolla has handled similar issues so far. As others have mentioned, the 3rd party proprietary packages shipped with official devices (text prediction library, Microsoft exchange support, alien dalvik etc.) are contained in a separate repository. If you're using a community port it's currently possible to add the repository and install these components (although AD won't work because it needs kernel modifications IIRC). It's "not allowed" but it's not impossible either because making it impossible has implications on privacy, takes time and effort, and people would inevitably find a way around it if they wanted.

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Trying Sailfishos for about maybe 100 bucks? No one will do that outside of our core community and a lot of them are frustrated about the tablet desaster.

They should make the base image free to download and one should pay for everything else like Aliendalvik as you and others proposed here.

Let's see with what Jolla will suprise us again in future:-)

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Yes, I would also welcome a minimal (open source?) image for getting used to Sailfish OS. And if its nice you have the option to pay for closed source parts like Android support, Exchange support...and maybe full hardware support. But people should have the possibility to test it for free.

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Yes! I agree completely.
But it's necessary to create native messengers etc. How?..

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i'd pay $100/£80 for a sailfish image to run on an xperia X, but i'm not sure many other people will.

by "many" I don't mean the hardcore maemo community, i mean usefully growing the demographic so sailfish attains some visibility.

make it an impulse purchase, let's say $25/£20. Low enough that I can try it on a whim, free to write it off as an interesting experiement if it doesn't work out.

and make that payment for the convenience of the installer and the proprietary addons, not the image itself.

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So it's Xperia order time. Looking forward to first public betas.

I second that Jolla could also make a free version available without the commercial parts. That combined with easy install would give SFOS a chance to present itself to larger audience of which a percentage would order the commercial one.

Actually that is the motivation of the whole thing so I believe they will do it sooner or later.

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I wonder how different would it be from, for example buying a nexus 5 and running the ported sailfishOS?

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Who said $100?

I heard it will be a MILLION QUID! Outrageous! Down with Jolla!

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It was my assumption quoting the bloq post
But your are right, no one says that 50% of the complete refund - it should be about 100 bucks - will be balanced or that this will happen at all. Jolla just asks for our opinion on that.

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I'm not keen on paying for an operating system, but they've always come with a phone & this time it's different.

I'll probably get a phone tomorrow, now it's officially official.

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What exactly is officially official?

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Since I was involved in the proposal I can tell you that I never believed that selling price for the image should correspond to the 2nd part of the refund because:

1. We are not legally entitled to any refund so the refund is a nice gesture from Jolla (I know I will be killed for that remark)

2. Getting an SFOS Image would please me more than a refund and would cost way less for Jolla - and I am really interested in promoting SFOS and that means that we need attractive HW to introduce our friends into SFOS (and off course, SFOS still Needs a lot polishing like all the stuff said before, paid apps, good calendar and other PIM stuff, a faster browser ... you name it. And I wish they would support F5122 (Xperia X dual SIM))

3. Selling the image to those interested in SFOS really makes sense because Jolla needs revenues. And off course, providing an image for sale requires that merely everybody can install the image without major skills on his or her own.

From my perspective, Jolla is taking the right turn. Hopefully it will be a road – sorry, a course (I recall we are sailing) – to success.

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Quite on the contrary, James Noori wrote in one of his comments that the the price of the OS image wil be totally independent of the refund.

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A very well adapted SailfishOS for Xperia X including AD, EAS and XT9 could cost 100 $.

I would pay it, but other maybe - not it depends on many things.
But i think the fee would not be higher than 50 EUR. (IMHO)

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Speculation alert: (hell, what else are we doing in this thread? ;)

Their business model isn't selling the OS to the end user. Even if they are hoping to get into that eventually (who wouldn't be?), they aren't funding themselves doing that now. They want the big deals with China and Russia (and Brasil, India, etc. etc.) to go forward, and this stuff with Sony (and by extension us) is really just to facilitate that - to get the OS out there, on more devices, tested.

I'd guess they're going to charge us more or less exactly what they have to pay to Myriad etc. for licenses [edit: and I'd further guess the charge to us has more to do with getting them to sign the licenses than the actual cost]. I'd be shocked if it's anything close to 100$.