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nieldk 2017-07-18 15:53
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Perhaps something like this?

https://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...-dual-t3297414

bnwg 2017-07-19 02:57
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Or MutiROM

The one for OneplusX doesnt require kexec hardboot paatch

https://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...m-v24-t2571011

https://forum.xda-developers.com/one...m-v26-t2835738

Sent from my ONE E1001 using Tapatalk

epninety 2017-07-19 12:44
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Stuck in the city today with a couple of hours to kill - gave in to temptation and bought an X :o

Size is great, hardware seems solid and nicely put together. I really hope we get some SFOS firmware soon though, because android is just horrible :) I can't even bring myself to put my sim in it :(

taixzo 2017-07-19 13:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
wait, there's multirom for the OPX?? Since when?

pexi 2017-07-19 13:48
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I would be eternally grateful for a fool proof guide on how to back up your DRM etc stuff from xperia... and how to recover using the backups. There are multiple guides, enough different to cause confusion.

bnwg 2017-07-19 14:43
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1530832)
wait, there's multirom for the OPX?? Since when?
Long time.

But the problem is it only works with new bootloader (OS 3.1.x) while SFOS is based on CM12 which is old bootloader (OS 2.2.x).

bocephus 2017-07-19 15:06
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1530761)
It's up to you, but once those keys are gone you cannot go back to 'full factory' the same as it was out of the box, those protected functions are lost forever.
Don't care. I will never use an Android phone in any capacity - full factory or not. My Xperia X is waiting in a drawer without having even been turned on once since I bought it two weeks ago with the sole purpose of flashing Sailfish on it when available. Any DRM functionality of Sony's that will not be supported through SFOS is functionality I will never use and never miss.

Also, my first mobile phone was an Ericsson Hotline 900 from 1989, and I still have it and every mobile phone I bought since then. Never sold any phone, never going to. So, these DRM keys are probably the last thing in the world that would ever concern me.

bnwg 2017-07-19 16:13
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bocephus (Post 1530835)
Don't care. I will never use an Android phone in any capacity - full factory or not. My Xperia X is waiting in a drawer without having even been turned on once since I bought it two weeks ago with the sole purpose of flashing Sailfish on it when available. Any DRM functionality of Sony's that will not be supported through SFOS is functionality I will never use and never miss.

Also, my first mobile phone was an Ericsson Hotline 900 from 1989, and I still have it and every mobile phone I bought since then. Never sold any phone, never going to. So, these DRM keys are probably the last thing in the world that would ever concern me.
What about if SFOS on Xperia X can leverage the goodies from Sony's proprietary for its camera and display?

This is official port between Jolla and Sony. It will just do more good than harms if they just make use their own advantages. Things can happen. Never said never before it happens.

Anyway, no harm to wait until it is all clear.

jurop88 2017-07-19 16:53
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1530833)
I would be eternally grateful for a fool proof guide on how to back up your DRM etc stuff from xperia... and how to recover using the backups. There are multiple guides, enough different to cause confusion.
Direct link to another forum ;)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ackup-t3514236
This works - I got mine with Android 7.0 Nougat installed and had to downgrade in order to backup TA (Trim Area) partition where DRM keys are stored.
Take your time, though...

hardy_magnus 2017-07-19 16:57
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
is it a wise decision to buy x in advance? i mean to say what if jolla abondons the project or the images they come up with aren't cool enough for the users?

bocephus 2017-07-19 17:23
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bnwg (Post 1530838)
What about if SFOS on Xperia X can leverage the goodies from Sony's proprietary for its camera and display?
Yes, what about it? It still doesn't mean I have to worry about making my own backups of Sony's DRM ********.

lantern 2017-07-19 20:21
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bocephus (Post 1530846)
Yes, what about it? It still doesn't mean I have to worry about making my own backups of Sony's DRM ********.
well, you have to, cause beside DRM there are other keys.

eson 2017-07-20 06:56
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hardy_magnus (Post 1530843)
is it a wise decision to buy x in advance? i mean to say what if jolla abondons the project or the images they come up with aren't cool enough for the users?
There is another angle to take into account. They may be difficult to get hold on, if you wait too long.

LouisDK 2017-07-20 10:18
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eson (Post 1530872)
There is another angle to take into account. They may be difficult to get hold on, if you wait too long.
You can still buy many old devices (5+ years) as new for cheap on ebay so I doubt they'll be completely sold out in a few months.

That said I brought mine now because I saw a good deal at a local shop and value local warranty.

lbee 2017-07-20 10:25
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Well, many of us with sword (X) in hand, but Sailfish gate still close.

Sent from my F5122 using Tapatalk

Feathers McGraw 2017-07-20 10:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eson (Post 1530872)
There is another angle to take into account. They may be difficult to get hold on, if you wait too long.
Still waiting for official SFOS on Fairphone 2! Any day now!

virgi26 2017-07-20 11:40
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1530905)
Still waiting for official SFOS on Fairphone 2! Any day now!
yeah=) pity it didn't work out for them=( but they didn't promise anything and didn't start any works
i wonder why they chose Sony over FP2

m4r0v3r 2017-07-20 11:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgi26 (Post 1530910)
yeah=) pity it didn't work out for them=( but they didn't promise anything and didn't start any works
i wonder why they chose Sony over FP2
more devices? cheaper devices?

nh1402 2017-07-20 12:34
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgi26 (Post 1530910)
yeah=) pity it didn't work out for them=( but they didn't promise anything and didn't start any works
i wonder why they chose Sony over FP2
I think it's a matter of which company agreed rather than Jolla picking one. I don't think Jolla can afford to just pick one.

r0kk3rz 2017-07-20 12:56
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgi26 (Post 1530910)
yeah=) pity it didn't work out for them=( but they didn't promise anything and didn't start any works
i wonder why they chose Sony over FP2
Because at the time they wanted Fairphone to pay for it, and be a proper sailfish licencee.

This thing with Sony is much different, and Jolla is in a different place financially to be able to support this kind of work.

LouisDK 2017-07-20 19:51
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
A new blog post on the Jolla+Xperia project:

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2017...-x-single.html

This statement howerver worries me a bit:

Quote:
Jolla is focused on bringing Xperia X port of Sailfish OS out with all of the features. That being said, there exists an active community porting Sailfish OS to various devices. They may do their own community version of Xperia X port that could be available earlier than the officially supported version.
It sounds like an official SFOS release for Xperia X could be 3+ months away and that Jolla have many more obstacles than they initially thought.

My Jolla 1 is getting so slow and I'm really eager to get a fully working replacement device.

nieldk 2017-07-20 19:58
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Community plays a big role in the porting.
Nothing that worries me. Quite the opposite actually.

pagis 2017-07-20 20:12
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Is it worth ordering the Xperia X dual Sim variant i.e. F5122? My understanding is that the current image for F5121 can be used for the dual sim variant?
If yes, is the functionality identical, apart from recognising one sim, and only 32GB of storage space. Is the SD card slot functional?
Also, do we have to buy a separate license for the F5122 image when it comes available, or upgrade an existing F5121?

Dave999 2017-07-20 20:26
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1530951)
Community plays a big role in the porting.
Nothing that worries me. Quite the opposite actually.
Yes that's true but but it will be far far away from customer realease on par with Jolla1 from the info in that blog post. I guess around winter :eek:

pagis 2017-07-20 21:10
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
by then Xperia X will be almost 2 year old phone!

LouisDK 2017-07-20 21:11
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pagis (Post 1530956)
by then Xperia X will be almost 2 year old phone!
Well it was released in June 2016.

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-20 21:54
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by virgi26 (Post 1530910)
yeah=) pity it didn't work out for them=( but they didn't promise anything and didn't start any works
i wonder why they chose Sony over FP2
... because it is a good phone from a renowned brand with worldwide availability...

nieldk 2017-07-20 22:10
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1530959)
... because it is a good phone from a renowned brand with worldwide availability...
That, and the openness of Sony developer program makes it easier to target than most other manufacturers.

bnwg 2017-07-21 00:46
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1530949)
A new blog post on the Jolla+Xperia project:

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2017...-x-single.html

This statement howerver worries me a bit:



It sounds like an official SFOS release for Xperia X could be 3+ months away and that Jolla have many more obstacles than they initially thought.

My Jolla 1 is getting so slow and I'm really eager to get a fully working replacement device.
From the blog I just read "support 20MP camera".
Yeah right on.

Correcting myself. But this is the fun part that looking forward to.

"Currently, we've had 8mpx support for the main camera. We're investigating if we can upgrade it to 20mpx, and it should be doable. Other than that, the camera app will be the same as with the stock Sailfish OS. Obviously, the camera hardware is great and produces great images even at 8mpx."

Sent from my Nexus 5 SFOS

herdem09 2017-07-21 16:18
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Unfortunately my X came with Nougat already. I think it is a refurbished product.
Does anyone have 34.0.A.1.264 ftf file for F5121? I'm having difficulty finding it.

nieldk 2017-07-21 16:50
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by herdem09 (Post 1531018)
Unfortunately my X came with Nougat already. I think it is a refurbished product.
Does anyone have 34.0.A.1.264 ftf file for F5121? I'm having difficulty finding it.
From here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...1-264-t3368645

https://depositfiles.com/files/agycclx2k

aspergerguy 2017-07-21 18:40
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1531022)
AFAIK both these sources are no longer valid unfortunately, although using Xperifirm 1304-5672 Service Exchange Unit 34.0.A.1.264 is available to downgrade to 6.0.1

lantern 2017-07-21 19:33
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
You can use any 6.0.1 firmware, no matter CDA.

ka9yhd 2017-07-21 21:22
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Jolla claims Sailfish for the Xperia X is on its way.

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2017...-x-single.html

Feathers McGraw 2017-07-21 21:36
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ka9yhd (Post 1531057)
Jolla claims Sailfish for the Xperia X is on its way.

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2017...-x-single.html
That's what we're discussing ;)

alfmar 2017-07-22 12:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I bet there are still people thinking that 20 megapixels (20? 23? 25? the Exmor RS IMX300 in the Xperia X is 25 Mp) are better than 8 megapixels. This is not always true: you may personally check the difference between the best 8 Mp cellphone camera and any old 8 Mp reflex (the latter would always win, even if with a cheap lens). The real "magic" in cameras is basically all about physical characteristics, and no hack can actually outperform physics laws and usual human issues (a blurry photo is mostly an human error, not a camera/lens/sensor limit, while most of the times you'll want to shoot pics in less than ideal conditions).

The "more megapixel" trend in cameras has always been a catch-22 thing. More megapixels meant you could stretch down the image to an apparently better quality, thus every manufacturer didn't care too much about sensor/lens quality as long as it could go on in the megapixel race. A good full-HD image (that is, two puny megapixels) would appear perfect on every cellphone, even the most recent ones sporting uselessly high PPI values (ah, those ridicolous "retina"-like buzzwords for gullible fanbois). And a 4k full-HD image is actually 8Mp. The megapixels race will eventually come to an end, like the sound resolution decades ago - today, most people can't discern 44.1 kHz 16 bit stereo from any higher values (especially if using earpieces).

That is, I would be OK with 8Mp on Xperia+SFOS.

The stock Sony camera app just applies some "magic trick" - aka software library - to do some filtering and noise reduction. Maybe because of patents, that library would only work if fed with some DRM-like key. else it would just resize down to 8Mp, actually castrating the camera. This is why we should talk about that noise reduction and low light thing instead of Le Twenty Mega Pixels meme.

There's yet another reason to be happy SFOS guys wisely chose the Xperia X: it uses a normal USB plug instead of USB-C and a normal analog 3.5mm ear plug. I'm getting sick at upgrading my hardware (or buying new adapters) because of certain fanbois gullibility. We are not anymore in the 1990's, when you paid to double your performances every 18 months. Moore's law just degraded to Murphy's law, and even if you have a very good sight most of the time you'll be checking your phone in a badly lit environment, sending a quick pic that will just get a few pathetic Like's before getting forgotten by anyone, calling someone hoping that the claimed 11% battery left will actually last until the called dude clearly heard the urgent things you had to say.

tl, dr: better specs and features make me happy, but I'm always the last rat to follow the piper.

ka9yhd 2017-07-22 20:51
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 1531095)
I bet there are still people thinking that 20 megapixels (20? 23? 25? the Exmor RS IMX300 in the Xperia X is 25 Mp) are better than 8 megapixels. This is not always true: you may personally check the difference between the best 8 Mp cellphone camera and any old 8 Mp reflex (the latter would always win, even if with a cheap lens). The real "magic" in cameras is basically all about physical characteristics, and no hack can actually outperform physics laws and usual human issues (a blurry photo is mostly an human error, not a camera/lens/sensor limit, while most of the times you'll want to shoot pics in less than ideal conditions).

The "more megapixel" trend in cameras has always been a catch-22 thing. More megapixels meant you could stretch down the image to an apparently better quality, thus every manufacturer didn't care too much about sensor/lens quality as long as it could go on in the megapixel race. A good full-HD image (that is, two puny megapixels) would appear perfect on every cellphone, even the most recent ones sporting uselessly high PPI values (ah, those ridicolous "retina"-like buzzwords for gullible fanbois). And a 4k full-HD image is actually 8Mp. The megapixels race will eventually come to an end, like the sound resolution decades ago - today, most people can't discern 44.1 kHz 16 bit stereo from any higher values (especially if using earpieces).

That is, I would be OK with 8Mp on Xperia+SFOS.

The stock Sony camera app just applies some "magic trick" - aka software library - to do some filtering and noise reduction. Maybe because of patents, that library would only work if fed with some DRM-like key. else it would just resize down to 8Mp, actually castrating the camera. This is why we should talk about that noise reduction and low light thing instead of Le Twenty Mega Pixels meme.

There's yet another reason to be happy SFOS guys wisely chose the Xperia X: it uses a normal USB plug instead of USB-C and a normal analog 3.5mm ear plug. I'm getting sick at upgrading my hardware (or buying new adapters) because of certain fanbois gullibility. We are not anymore in the 1990's, when you paid to double your performances every 18 months. Moore's law just degraded to Murphy's law, and even if you have a very good sight most of the time you'll be checking your phone in a badly lit environment, sending a quick pic that will just get a few pathetic Like's before getting forgotten by anyone, calling someone hoping that the claimed 11% battery left will actually last until the called dude clearly heard the urgent things you had to say.

tl, dr: better specs and features make me happy, but I'm always the last rat to follow the piper.
The other thing that I have noticed with the front camera on Android phones is the image is reversed.

I have seen several videos where the person is in their car and it looks like they are driving on the right side of the car. And if they are wearing a shirt with a name on it, the name is reversed like it is in a mirror.

I am not sure if the problem is with the front camera or the O/S.

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-23 08:58
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
totally disagree about the 'joy' of still being able to use micro-usb (2.0) in the years 2018/19.

bnwg 2017-07-23 09:32
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
"The stock Sony camera app just applies some "magic trick" - aka software library - to do some filtering and noise reduction. Maybe because of patents, that library would only work if fed with some DRM-like key. else it would just resize down to 8Mp, actually castrating the camera. This is why we should talk about that noise reduction and low light thing instead of Le Twenty Mega Pixels meme."

That's what the meaning behind "Sony 20MP camera" and other goodies like its display from Sony's proprietary features (Song "magic trick") locked by DRM key. It's not purely 20MP vs 8MP by the figures.

m4r0v3r 2017-07-23 18:22
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
time to break out the hadk


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