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There is another perspective however - Russian users may want more powerful devices for Sailfish OS and Sony has good devices, is relatively open and is not US based, so it can be seen as a more or less safer bet for such devices.

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I think it is a great move by Jolla and Sony.

As for Intex they were hit with an injunction to stop selling phones with the Aqua name. Because there is a company called Aqua Mobiles. So we may not see any Aqua Fish for awhile.

http://www.financialexpress.com/indu...k-case/488054/

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Sometimes I feel, all Sailfish users know one another :D

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I know only one other user. :) --> very popular OS.

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By the way.
Has there been any talk about Sony Tablet getting SailfishOS tablet sw?

https://developer.sonymobile.com/ope...and-resources/
There are interesting tablet devices.
https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en...ria-z4-tablet/

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Re: SIM size adapters...

I owe you all an apology.

I tried the adapter again to put my cut-down SIM back in my N900 and it still did not work. This is strange, I thought, because the first thing the phone did on boot-up was to ask for the SIM card PIN.

It turned out it did not work because my phone was switched to 2G only mode, which my provider no longer supports. Switching it to 3G brought it back to life.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

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how does one get official apps is the real question. thats what people want ie the mainstream

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Hi. Haven't kept up with this thread but is Sony going to sell phones with Sailfish out of the box? Or are they providing driver support, etc, so you can set it up yourself such that is it fully functional. Thanks!

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The question is "what official apps"? Jolla store is a joke, mostly an android joke.
They don't have paid apps still so no woder that there's no apps there. And some of the restrictions what actually can get there is worse than google and apple combined.

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The only clear message we have is that there will be a Jolla C style community device with Sony HW, possibly by end of Q2.

Everything else is an abreviation from that statement, shrouded in mystery, rumors and hopes :D
Sailfish out of the box from Sony is the most ambitious product of a hopeful brain in this context but not based on any facts.
Plz correct me if i am wrong.

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OpenRepos/Warehouse is basically the serious version of the Jolla Store. Many more interesting applications, and much less junk!

That said, I don't think finally having paid apps would be of any help, because they will just keep on publishing the umpteenth note-taking Android application or the endless stream of Tajay Studios, or more apps to find out about the latest stonings in Saudi Arabia (I mean, who doesn't just love that?), with no quality control whatsoever. If I made twenty hello world applications which all had just the text in different colours, all twenty would be published. Jolla's reasoning is that they want to give everyone a chance, but to me this just sounds like a cheap excuse to make the Store look fuller than it actually is. Quality over quantity is completely lost on them.

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I've seen this argument used a lot, but paid app support is not panacea for quality apps. Both Microsoft and BlackBerry offered paid app support, and guess what? No apps. If there's nobody to buy the apps, then why bother with a paid app after all.

Supporting android apps is really the only solution for Sailfish until it reaches an install base worth worrying about.

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no, it isn't. But also expecting everything for free is not some great bussines model either. Simply, a store must support paid apps.
And supporting android (cr)apps is definitely not the way to go since there isn't any app worth installing.

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Okey, if jolla make sailfishos works atleast 3-4 days without recharge the damn Xperia I will sell my FP2 and go Xperia.

My FP2 eating battery with latest SFOS. Not even hold a day. Not sure what is going on. Infact my FP2 has never hold two days. Not sure even Jolla1 did.

Is this normal for all phones this day or is this a SFOS issue? In my case I used cutespot for an our or so the rest of the time I did not use it et all. Infact it seems drain more battery when not used when thinking about it.

Get the grip over the damn OS those making a OS that don't drain battery like crazy could take the market from Android. An OS that drains more battery than Android/IOS is just epic fail.

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Do you have developer mode + ssh enabled? At one time I noticed a significant drainage, turned out it was a hack attempt on ssh port 22 coming from the mobile network, which of course consumed quite some energy.

The password was strong enough, no further harm done, but I simply disabled ssh for now, which made the problem disappear.

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Also you can simply change the port to something else, in such case.

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i mean the big companies, fb, whatsapp, instagram etc etc making official ports. yeah these apps are completely pointless but the mainstream love them. so its a cross roads really, if they want to be big in that way then they need to poach them, if there happy being a niche platform, keep going the way there going

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yeah.... I agree on that. If Jolla would manage to get top 5 of the most popular social (cr)apps that would change the game quite a lot. Not that I care since almost all af them have aleternative(s) in OSS world but people are stupid and will continue tu use the spyware but for sure it would be good for platform. After all, others also thrives on ignorant sheeps.
In the meantime they can work on , I don't know, navigation. Because every other platform offers that. And they do have probably the best maps arround. Oh, and give us the phone app that actually is a phone app, not just a call log with posibility to bring up the dialer and then make a call.

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I notice PySide is alive again. Imo being able to create an app by zipping up a few Python scripts would be a big help.

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Absolutely. I was just explaining to my parents how to work with Sailfish, and everything went well when I showed them they could open up People and call and send messages from there. Then they asked "how can I call a phone number that isn't in my contacts?" and I had to tell them, well, you have to open up the Phone application, then you need to pull down and select the option to show the dialer, then finally you can enter the phone number you want.

Also, good luck explaining you're supposed to pull down or up to answer or ignore a call instead of simply pressing a button, but to end a call you do have to press a button. I don't mind this way of doing things, but it sure isn't something everyone will find logical. Is there a patch to show buttons instead?

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Well... There's a patch for that.™

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I hate to be that guy again, but…
I think most people checking this thread for Xperia-related news check for Xperia-related stuff while folks not interested in Sony but with the desire to converse about all things app ecosystem and GUI would enjoy your posts but might miss them, because they might not even read this thread.

I realize it's a fine line and it might even be a good place to discuss Sonys involvement being a possible incentive for companies developing for SFOS, but it's slowly slipping off topic. ;)
But maybe that's just me being that guy again. Sorry for being a bit cranky today.

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It just occured to me that Sony is "treating" Jolla the same way as Jolla does with Turing.

Like, Yeah, we might have a Partner that may become interesting in the future, but better to keep him on maximum distance so the gutts and blood do not hit us if they suddenly explode :rolleyes:

Still, Jolla has a real chance here.
If they accomplish to put out a fully working "Jony C" within the given timeframe, it would be prove to other oems they actually can match deadlines and make up for some of the impression they left with intex and the tablet.

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well, but for answering at least there's a hint of green and red on the screen and since pulling is the way how it's done on other phones it's somehow obvious. But the dialer...... I'm the person who mostly talk with the same people and I was actually always used call log instead of phonebook. But this is annoying even to me. And call log as such is beyond basic anyway. :(

@HtheB Well, there's a "patch" for everything that is missing and that is wrong with Jolla. Xperia X with Android is "the patch" for many of those things. But that's not what we want.
There aren't that many sailfish users out there, and if majority of them use the same patches that should tell something. At least tho those who are willing to listen.

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That is why I posted this before.. :(

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A big reason for this is that you can't actually buy one (outside of India). I have a Nokia N800, two N900s, and an N9. I have never touched a Jolla/Salifish device because I never had the opportunity to buy one (that would work with U.S. bands). I tried to get that tablet, and we all know how that went.

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If you want to try SFOS in US before Xperia comes preloaded, the OnePlus One and X have good ports and work pretty well here. 4g on the X isn't the best everywhere, so if dara speed is a priority for you might not be your 1st choice. The One is a 2 year old device but still very competent. For me it's too big to be conveniently pocketable. SFOS 2.0.5.6 works on both.

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I can't agree - this is one of the things SFOS is about - everyone can fit it to his/her needs - ok it could be easier for the everyday user but try to patch Android without root and unlocked bootloader .
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yes, because everyone knows how to write a patch. :rolleyes:
And then, you have a system with 10-20-30 patches. That breaks on update. Great. Or you unapply them and then they don't work on new version.
I'm not saying that patching is bad but even the stubborn GNOME developers realized some things and now they include some extensions by default.

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What strikes me is the way this thread turns into a wailing wall. We should ask the developers of TMO to have a double line for each thread. One with relevant information, and one with a wailing wall.

Cheer up, guys. Everything may be too little, too late. And reducing your hopes may be a way to minimise the disappointment. But to me, this news on Sony is positive, and at least there's some hope of new hardware.

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This board is really not that active and there isn't so many of us here so I don't see any harm in somehow constructive off topic.

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We don't really have any tangible news :( so all we can do is speculate

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Well, there might be some people lurking (like me). I don't really like all of the aggressive ranting, it serves no purpose.

To keep to the topic. As I have understood it, the actual promise so far by Jolla is that there will be an Xperia X image available for download on the Sony page in June 2017. Nothing more. I'm fine with that. If they actually sell some Sony devices like they did with Jolla C, that would be a bonus. Correct me if I am wrong.

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It's unclear so far.
But, while for existing users and a few interested guys from XDA, that option would work I'm still hoping for Xperia X with sailfish OTB. Because current ways of getting sailfish on non-sailfish device won't attract new users. Ever. Even if the image is perfectly tailored and everything just works.

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Can someone explain to me why Sailfish OS is better than Android (without GAPPS)? I have tried LineageOS and Sailfish on a Droid 4 and they both work fine.
SFOS is indeed different but tbh not that different. Not even sure if something totally deviating is possible on any modern phone with a capacitive screen. They all feel roughly the same to me.

Personally I would prefer a Debian install with a phone gui - still hoping to see something like that on the N900. I basically want my phone to behave as much as possible as my deskop.

The Xperia X seems to be a standard phone so the difference and appeal (at least for this community) should be the OS. The apps are not a selling point, Android and IOS are just too dominant so you can't expect Jolla to compete in that area.

The only reason for me to install it was curiosity and disliking Android with GAPPs and IOS. For me that seems to be the only 'valid' reason to start using SFOS.
Not trying to step on anyone’s toes though or being unappreciative for the work that is done to port SFOS or development done currently.
I love that there is more choice so kudos to Sony, just wondering what the 'selling point' is of SFOS.

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@kinggo: I would disagree. That's the way I started using SFOS - coming from ported device N4 and now rocking OPX. I have never owned any official device, so I don't know what I am missing in terms of Android support and some others add-ons. Actually, OPX port and the hardware is that good that I am not planning to get Sony yet (N4 hardware was a bit weaker and getting old as well, unfortunately). However, I am happy that Jolla managed to start this effort and even if only the image is downloadable, I would have considered it as good as a version that I get preinstalled by the shop, on the bigger scale of things.

As for why use SFOS: its great to have full Linux stack available. While not in apt-get or emerge world, its still quite usable. If you are used to Android, it takes some time to start appreciating that you could do many things "desktop" way - backup via rsync, ssh in/out, to name few aspects. Curiosity and a wish to have proper Linux was a start for me as well, just give it 1-2 month to properly grow into it. It also helps if you approach with an attitude - if something is missing, I can do my best to develop or fix it.

So, coming back to Sony / Jolla - I think its a great news and great development! Its for sure will expose SFOS to people that are interested in trying something different by giving them at least some supported option. If we only attract developers through this - its a great win already.

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In just 3 words; glibc vs. bionic

Which is exactly the reason why you want SFOS; it has the same userland as your GNU/Linux desktop.

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SFOS was indeed 'sold' as being a proper Linux OS but doesn't feel like that, for me probably due to the lack of 'apt-get' and just being a non hardware keyboard focussed OS. I am certainly going to give it some more time as you suggested. I like playing around with different technologies.
I have installed Termux on android and was pretty impressed with the ability to apt-get some of my favourite Linux programs and as far as I know rsync, ssh are available as well.

GPL vs BSD or is there more to it?

So I guess in theory easier to port existing programs? Emacs seems to be still 24.3 in openrepos (latest version of Emacs is my personal OS litmus test ;) ) . Even my good old N900 has 25.1 :)

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@rinigus well, I said "a few....". But how many people do you know that would be willing to go through that process just to try new OS?

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I think people are looking at this all wrong.

Sony is looking for new ground to differentiate itself in the smartphone market. Their "open hardware" wing is working closely with Jolla to provide OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED images for Xperia X and several other models in the same Xperia family. This is a test, nothing more, to determine whether or not they want to release branded devices with Sailfish already baked in.

If either dumped everything into it without gauging interest, well... you know how that would go. Jolla and Sailfish would have another mark against them and then this chance will have been wasted.

I for one am very excited to get Sailfish on modern hardware. Even if that means doing it myself with officially supported images.