Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

The logs are available, you can read them yourself.

But otherwise, no, nothing to report.

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Well I guess soon we will find out what Jolla meant by soon :D

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Would be good if they told something about progress. The cat is already out of the bag, but people could appreciate if they knew that, for example, current Xperia X could be upgraded to Sailfish.

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Just even small things really help.

I funded a kick-starter project a while a go and the guys been amazing, every few weeks they release a small update of the progress. It does not say much in the updates but it really helps knowing things are happening big or small.

What this makes me believe is that Jolla themselves aren't completely sure of how things are going to happen.

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

...or they are just working like hell, to get to get the Xperia X support ready until end of Q2, like they said. ;)

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Well, then you'll be happy about this:
and this:
Somewhere in there, sledges indicated that at the moment, much of the work being done is regarding the xperia aosp base.

Things are, indeed, happening.

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"Sony plans to discontinue the Xperia X and Xperia X Compact."
...
"Instead, Sony confirmed plans to strengthen its focus on its flagship lineup with the Xperia XZ Premium and its mid-range lineup, which includes the Xperia XA1 and XA1 Ultra."
...
http://phandroid.com/2017/05/24/sony...eria-x-lineup/


Note: These were only some of the models supported by the open device program:
https://developer.sonymobile.com/ope...and-resources/

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That's why I asked at jolla blog what X-model they initial planning support. Since there are many. But no answer so I guess they don't really now. Jolla will comment on this during June but it wouldn't be so epic if they target only the basic X and no new users can buy it.

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besides Xperia , sailfish must be ported to shameshung galaxy s8. less bezels with sailfish would make it a killer smartphone. what do u think ? :D

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Don't you think jolla need to get their things in order before going after latest hw? I do. While it would be fun with S8, iPhone8, Sony Xperia Super Sailfish is just a beta OS still, no hw available at all for most customers for years, trying to get second refund so they obviously need money. We should be happy if they get anything even semi working to the market...

But yeah It would be fun with a 900 Euro S8 with Sail. Not sure how many they would sell though :D But lately bezels are so thin so it doesn't matter if they are 0, 1, 5 or 10 mm.

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A fair chance for Jolla to get the next community device at a nice price. :)

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I would think Sony offered the X knowing the low sell thro' rate to make use of surplus stock.

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Let's hope they don't pull a Jolla C.

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well, considering how old they are, nothing surprisng there.
But that's not the point: It's not about X and X compact, it's about future devices that should have been in that segment which they are abandoning now. So from now on only premium XZ or whatever and low end MTK crap. But considering the prices of those 3 (X, X compact and X performance) no wonder that they din't sell. X was basically the successor of M4 aqua for twice the price.

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

amazon has int'l version of X dual for 307.5$
better hurry up

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Is that so wise? Given the little info we have and jollas track record lately.

They fooled us once don't give them the possibility to do it twice.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

so, just unplug yourself from here and have a jolly life without jolla FFS

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Don't you think it's smarter to wait for jolla to release more info before buying a device that might get support?

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i agree with your opinion on jolla, i think a lack of vision is what driving jolla elsewhere. i have been using aqua fish as a primary device but i dont have any other alternative besides maemo which is outdated and android which i dont like. by the way i have seen your comments about refund on other websites too, good luck with that, ;)

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Yeah, thx. will see if we get any info regarding refund soon. It whould be nice to get an end to that.

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I agree with Dave.
I would try to find out more before buying a phone that in the end may not be supported or discontinued and we end up with nothing.

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

no. If jolla "fools us again" I'll need a new phone anyway. And X has pretty decent support.

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Spoiler warning:
At least James (or the one managing the Jolla Twitter account) suggests that it makes sense to get a Xperia X.

Is this a hidden confirmation that a flashable image will be released?
Can an uncertain release date keep you from rushing the store?
Will dave999 approve your move?
Watch out for even more spectacular revelations in the upcoming episode of Jolla Mysteries.

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Dont be such a fanboy mosen. Take a souber look of what we know. What can happen between now and then. Anything, Even jolla twitter tell you that from what they write. Probobly the reason they haven't announced anything solid yet.

I don't disapprove anyonce move, I thought that was pretty obvious from what I wrote, but I guess not.

Think it throw and make a solid decision before anyone jump on the hype train. That's all.

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dear lord, the endless grinding marathon of jolla's teetering survival is becoming so normalised that i'm getting bored of waiting for the next non-excitement to emerge from the rumour mill.

do something. do anything! just try and look like you're of continuing relevance to my future, please...

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

Okay, that article is a bit misleading - X phones are not yet discontinued, only we shouldn't expect successor models to these.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/05/24...and-x-compact/

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Now, you did not get my sarcasm?
Damn. I tried so hard to be obvious, should have used a proper GIF :D

Just wanted to clarify that i sincerely do not believe anyone will get an XX just because of James tweet.
But your warning is surely justified to keep overexpectatious fanboys from hurting themselves. Fine. Granted.
Only they have all left after getting burned.

Most people still reading here have developed quite high frustration tolerance when it comes to broken hopes.
Yes, a symptom of fanboyism and you can find more if you look through a common fanboy detector.
Only the root cause of this symptoms is not religion like forgiveness and blind fellowship but proper understanding of the situation and evaluating chances.
Also, risk is always a matter of financial capability.
To some people it is a low and calculated risc to try out those chances.

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No. didn't get that at all. A GIF would probobly sealed the deal though. :D.

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The main question is unanswered if you look at ejjomans second tweet.
Will there be a flashable image or is it strictly bundled with a new device.
I think it is best to ask again instead of further speculate.

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Well, after their first press release I would thought fifty fifty between flash yourself or buy preFlashed device. But after James response at blog it sure looks like you have to flash yourself.

It also sounded as the release would be ready during Q2 when reading press release. But lately it sounds more like we are getting some basic info before end of Q2 :(

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Why do you care?
Even if it's bundled, the first person to buy can dump the whole emmc for anybody with Xperia X.

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For me it's a big difference, for jolla too. I look at it from a market perspective. Is this just a alpha demo for potential partners or do jolla actually wants attract new end users with this move.

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There won't be any new users attracted. Open your eyes. Why would anybody prefer Sailfish instead of Android (now! those who wanted already got themselves jolla1/c, intex).
So it's a nowadays HW for Jolla fans and to demonstrate current state to Gov'ts, local telcos and companies.
Don't wait for any breakthru.

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OK, sounds good to me as long as we get the option to receive/donate 2nd part of the refund soon.

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Yes, a break thru with Sony looked possible for like 1 day when Jolla sported the Booth logo and rumors went wild but it became apparent the next day when Sony stayed quiet on questions that they just let Jolla play with their hardware.

Nevertheless, i get asked multiple times a month where to buy a sfos device after i (still) show around trusty old Jp1 during small talk when i meet new folks. Awareness is zero, interest is high after much communication effort (yeah, bad from marketing aspect).

Also i hear from some people who abonedoned jp1 because auf low hw specs, could or want not get Jolla C and wait for sfos on recent spec devices.

Thats where the flashable image comes in.
It should be official with complete features and cost some 10-20€ so everyone mildely interested can get a cheap used XX and try.
There will be no breakthrough, right. Still new geeks want to flash, let them.

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1. Updates
2. No privacy harmed
3. Not crammed with bloatware: choose what you want (fair)
4. Root access
5. Where are the advertisements?
6. Not willing to pay a company's 70% profitmargin for harming your privacy, cramming it with bloatware and adds.
7 (possible) android support through Alien Dalvik.

At the end, those issues are real. Google has proven it values a profitmargin of 70% on Android over their customers values (privacy, add-loading, bloatware).
If we can all agree on Google intentions, your question should be: why don't people prefer Sailfish over Android?

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I've been using a Sony Xperia XA for about a month now, let me tell you something:

1. Updates <-- Use any custom rom if updates are not coming anymore
2. No privacy harmed <-- Use XPrivacy
3. Not crammed with bloatware: choose what you want (fair) <-- Root, and you can uninstall everything you want
4. Root access <-- You can root Android devices as well
5. Where are the advertisements? <-- Root, and you can remove all ads, even inside apps.
6. Not willing to pay a company's 70% profitmargin for harming your privacy, cramming it with bloatware and adds. <-- See all the points above.
7 (possible) android support through Alien Dalvik. <-- Native Android support, instead of half working dalvik.


I'm actually pretty happy with my rooted Sony XA.

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@HtheB could hou diagnose me:

I have iphone7 from work , I have Ipad4 ( got this because needed some apps , some time ago)
And natuealli JP1 , Jolla-c , Aquafish , and JTab. For net browsing I use any other than apple. Am I sick?

For reason unknown the user interface of sailfish just works.
So I don't be amazwd if some one really wants experia with SF

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)
 

I have the solution for you as well: Xposed Edge

With this app, I can use my Android device the SAME as I use my Sailfish device. (swiping from the edges)
Swiping from the sides gets me to the home, swiping up the app drawer, and swiping down closes the running app.

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But does it have python, nodejs, make & autotools & gcc on it?
The other day last week I needed nmap so I just cloned it from github and compiled on the device...