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Is that ban like a done deal, or still in the future?

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FCC is seriously considering it, yes.

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Anybody wanna take a guess when the support for the xa2 comes out?
I need a new phone and i am hesitant if i'm getting the x or the (possibly?) better xa2.

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3Q Jolla said, probably end of September or maybe October as was launched Sailfish X. I already bought the Xperia XA2, but the US version...

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My guess is that Jolla won't achieve complete hardware support on the Xperia X before the battery in mine goes bad. And when they release the image for XA2, it won't support all the hardware components of XA2.

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If you use Sony's charger you should be fine as it does some fancy magic to make sure your battery life is prolonged

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Isn't that software feature? My brother has Xperia XA, and it charges fast up to 90 percent, green light on, when slowly builds up till 100. On Sailfish X it charges straight to 100, no slowdowns etc.
Btw, maybe its just my imagination, but if i charge Sailfish X with other (slower) 5V 1000 mA charger, the battery also holds longer.

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It is a software/hardware combination but it works best with the official charger. It's called Qnovo Adaptive Charging

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@mariusmssj Obviously, this is not included in SailfishX package.

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Some analyst says that ZTE has been completely cut off of android.
Decision on Huawei is due this friday. Though probably they will get a fine first (if they agree to put a US backdoor inside their phones).

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Changing the Xperia X's battery is a relatively easy procedure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9TlDmrWLdo

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you think? i probably am to naive, but they must be able to at least achieve the same support as the xperia x will have then...

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Xperia X would have been their first official port to a sony android device and I would assume a massive learning curve after which they would be much better at it with another Sony device.

Also from their slides at a recent talk we should be getting the 2.2 update some day this month (May) :D

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is there an app that would allow X to be seen as usual usb flash drive?
no MTP.

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There's no need for "an app" as it can be realized via a kernel module. You'll need to use something else and not the Jolla-provided SFOSX kernel though, as that is lacking modules support.

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And that, could be possible, by compiling needed modules out-of-tree (supposing the kernel in use is compiled with loadabke module support).
Not sure if that is the fact "in real life" though, since i cant locate any loadable modules on X.

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Jolla guys should ask Sony to release X/XA2 with a LKM-ready kernel. Maybe somebody here could ask them on next meeting.

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And that is supposed to be somehow better? Really?

I would take "an app" any time. For all I care, the "app" may well be a kernel module, as long as it is nicely wrapped and installable through the normal idiot-proof GUI.

Sincerely yours,
Joe Public

There you go. I rest my case.

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Yes, sort of.
Check for IsoDrive in warehouse.

You can not share your sfos content with it, but it exposes an ISO/IMG/BIN image to the usb.

It does not work with my alpine headunit for some reason but with most other usb drive expecting devices i checked.
I guess alpine wants to see a fixed directory struture.

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I generally hate the term "app" very much. And I hate the attitude that "there's an app for that" even more.

I can also rest my case. Where do you want it buried? ahoy!

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Well, tough. Joe Public hates the "just recompile the kernel" attitude. Make it a nice "app" (you can call it something else if you do not like the word), presented to you in a nice GUI and installable with a simple button press or he will walk away. There is another platform across the street that has that feature.

Like it or not, your attitude is THE reason why Linux is - and will always be, unless that attitude changes - a niche platform for the super-geeks. And, in extension, THE reason why we have no Linux devices. No manufacturer will ever seriously consider them because Joe Public is scared away.

You cannot have it both ways: whinge about the lack of devices AND about "apps" for everything. Choose one.

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As much as I hate the term 'app' I do support that something like this needs to be packaged/installable.

And even more as the provided kernel does not support the 'compile your module yourself'!

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Yeah, there is generally no good reason functionality and features would have to be cryptic and hard to use. It generally just means either being lazy or general lack of time for a project.

While it's the right thing, that doesn't mean it is not hard - you need to a lot of effort to document it, do a good UI, handle all the use cases others might need to work, keep it running as the underlying system changes over time and fix all the inevitable feature and security bugs that creep out, possibly for quite a long time, while keeping the thing reasonably stable as seen from the outside.

So it's unfortunately understandable that developers release a "works-for-me" solution which has some pretty rough edges, just because they simply don't have the resources to smooth it all out themselves. But hey - open source, others can help as well! While not always working for this, I would argue progress is being made and we are moving forward on the user friendliness side.

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@MartinK, convenient packaging and polishing up are two different things. Even "works for me" can be, and often is, delivered through package managers like Openrepos. That's all I asked for.

I also do not like "apps" for what is nothing more than a front end to a web service. That's what a browser is for, after all. Who needs 100 "apps" when one, called "a browser" would suffice? But calling something an "app" that you can install from a store (harbour, whatever) is much friendlier than calling it a "kernel module" that you have to compile yourself.

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I do not like the term either.
Could I ask you a question about reset vectors?

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Seems like no 2.2 this month

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where did you get this nformation?

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Still no EA and only 11 days left.

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We should get an update in May. Check out the slide 14:
https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/up...2018_04_23.pdf

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I've watched the talk.
Still.

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I share your concern, I really want this update!!!

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Something happened to my device yesterday, thought I'd share in case it helped anyone else. While listening to a podcast (using gPodder), the device locked up; screen contents were not changing and the device was not responding. I tried to force reboot it by holding the power button for twenty seconds, but that did nothing. Holding it for a minute caused the screen to turn black, however the phone was apparently still "on"; it made SFOS sounds on receiving emails. Further attempts at holding the power button caused the device to vibrate briefly at ten seconds as though turning off or on, but nothing happened. The solution turned out to be holding power+volume up for six seconds, which is a hardware interrupt to force reboot the phone (simply holding power is apparently a software interrupt).

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Yep, can confirm, been there done that. Figured it out randomly on the go as desperation started to set in :)

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Good to know in case something like that happens to me in the future :)
Up to now lockups have been few and sparse for me, usually when uptime is well over 10 days and I run into some really browser-heavy page. Every time I have been able to recover via standard really-long-press-of-power-button.

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Wow. You have lockups? Haven't seen one of those for years! :D
(JP-1 here, that must be making all the difference)

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Let me guess, red led was on. Has happened to me twice.

They claim it has something to do with browser:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...owing-red-led/

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Yes, I grant it sjb1 is remarkably stable.

With XperiaX I have had maybe 3 or 4 lockups in total, in something like 7 months if I correctly estimete it; if it was more frequent I'd begin to believe there was something wrong :D

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Yep, red led was on (though I didn't notice until I went indoors).

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The notification LED on the X can be furiatingly dark during the day. Though I thought it was partly due to discolourations on my (second hand) devices speaker grill in front of the LED.

On the other hand, I mostly enjoy it being so dark. The JP-01 had to be flipped screen down to not disturb my dearest when it got fully charged at night. So, well, I guess it's for the better. :)