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Now the workaround from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2491 works! :D

First time my phone upgradet not fully? :o

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If you want to see "SIM cards" under Settings upon F5122 would still need to add:
and reboot.

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You're most certanly right, I had the jolla-settings-networking-multisim installed before the update (I used the config-mod to activate the second SIM before), and the update didn't uninstall it in my case. So if you where to attempt this from a pristine F5121 SFOS you'll also have to add the settings plugin.

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Trying to install that results fatal error in my F5122:
(translated from Finnish) "fatal error: jolla-settings-networking-multisim-0.4.11.10.3.1.jolla.arm7hl needs jolla-settings-networking-multisim = 0.4.11.10.3.1.jolla, but install does not succeed"

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Could timing of this have anything to do with release of official Sailfish image 2.2.0.29 for F5122 closing a loop-hole previously being exploited?

I can't remember unfortunately whether I had already manually amended default.prop and ril_subscription.conf before applying seiichiro0185 hack:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2491 should this make any difference to outcome.

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Do a pkcon refresh first

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That helped for installation.
But
did not bring other sim visible in settings.
Probably still needs default.prop and ril_subscription.conf modifications to work, if not flashed again.

So, I will reflash later.

Edit:
After default.prop and ril_subscription.conf modifications both sims work as before. Reflashing will wait...

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Upgared my X some days ago.

Also realized that I have run SFOS on my Xperia X for some month now and work flawlessly I do NOT miss the ugly broken Android pacer of garbage OS. However I have to run Android on another device when I doing banking or online payment for two reasons:

* BankID need newer android version than the one used in SFOS.
* Google **** services :(

I just wonder if Jolla plans to update dalvik engine to later version of Android.... One can only hope... because it would be nice get rid of my other phone ASAP.

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What about microG ? Working for me so far

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You could switch bank! I,ve been using Forex Bank with their own ForexID for some year now. Works flawless on my Xperia X with dalvik. No Google **** services needed.
Not to mention the underlying message you send to the Swedish bank cartel... ;)

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In my case there are two applications for banking:

- first one only generates the code to allow access. This does not work/install as it requires android 5+
- second is for making the e-banking functions and getting notifications of transactions. This does not work (i think) because it believes the phone is rooted and less secure.

More and more banks switch to these applications and making use of the web based versions become very troublesome for daily use.

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(continue from previous post; sorry i had to cut short because of work)

Even if they solve the first problem, i.e. bring a newer version of android, most of the banking applications will refuse to install if the android version does not reply as 'official' and/or not rooted.

Seen some posts that people were attempting to do that but I don't remember if they succeed.

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Used 5 differents banks apps without any issue here in France.

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Used 5 different banks without any apps here in the UK ;)

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It's getting harder to get all the full features allowed with the mobile version of the Web site.

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What features would one want from a bank, except money keeping and transfer?

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this is a little off-topic but adding a new beneficiary, watch balance without entering login/pwd, etc ...
Many features that are proposed in an app, or on the full website, and definitely not on the mobile version of the website.
( at least for French banks )

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This may not help you, but I've found that faking my browser user agent to, say, desktop Firefox gets me the non-mobile versions where I need them.

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Depositing a cheque without physically being present in the country! That is something I like to do so much (and bitch so much about the need of Alien-Dalviking it through some untrusty random uploads of APKs). This is mostly relevant in US and Canada, but happened to me in UK as well (hello University of Warwick and awards you are giving to some of your graduates after they graduate ... so often after they've actually left the country). Actually, some French grant agency was also paying me using some cheque-ish type of thing, but it was tight solely to the French post-office, so then there was no way of cashing it without being physically in France anyways.

Since I already got that much offtopic, a related story: the best part was the French approach of reimbursing my train at the end of my stay. I asked them if this could be sorted out before I actually leave, because, after I will take the train, I won't be able to go to the post-office and cash it. They said "not possible", however, they could do Western Union instead. So they turned out to pay something like 100 EUR at the end: around 25E was the train ticket itself, the rest was a transaction fee... I was actually feeling I should have never told them about those 25E...

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Continuing on the off-topic... and trying to be positive about France :)
I actually use a mobile bank website with no issue.
@wolda Cheques are disappearing rapidly so there are accepted less and less, and banks are doing their best to accelerate even further their disappearance. So do not expect to receive good service for them ;-)
Reimbursing in France often happens through bank transfer or via payment card or any web-based system (paypal...)... Train tickets in France and the SNCF is a big subject that would need tons of text :D but let's say that not all French are proud of the way they work ;-)

Plus some comments
- most of the use is possible on a mobile browser, if not all, I mean technically and also in practice, I tend to do most stuff I want through the mobile version (French bank).
- if you need something more tricky, you probably have access somewhere to a desktop in the course of the day, and you can probably wait until you do have access to your desktop. And you know what, this is even possible to access the desktop version on a mobile :P
- if you use apps, you tend to help them justify that everybody use apps so why develop the web version. While I could, I tend to avoid as much as possible using apps, especially for services like banking.
- some justification I read on using apps like not entering password & username... Username & password are stored for me so this is a one-button-click to access to my bank account (there are other securities for sensitive actions). Are people that lazy to be so tired about clicking on a button? Adding a beneficiary is also possible with my bank through the mobile version (how often do you do that anyway...).
- I also have a sort of web bank account (revolut) and I need an app (this is a regret). I do not see the gain, really.

I see very limited justification for using an app (except those sort of bankid system that seem to exist elsewhere).
Developers are lazy and firms are lazy (I know it is not only laziness). Why do you think they would develop mobile version if nobody are using them. Do you want to be dependent on the fact that they develop a native version for all systems that you use? Because the next stop is that you must use an app and that the desktop version is also abandoned.
I see the same trend for other services like transport information services where the mobile version are less and less developed because people are using apps. When there are open API, that is ok but then that is not so always the case...

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My apologies for getting back to the topic :p

The two Xperia X currently for sale here made me look into it again. I never liked the X because it seemed so HUGE but I suppose I could live with it, especially at eBay prices which are MUCH cheaper than those asked here on TMO.

But I have not been following the development very closely and find browsing through 254 pages of posts, mostly off-topic or contradicting each other, rather confusing.

So...

Could anyone be so kind as to summarize, BRIEFLY, in a few bullet points, any pros and cons of going X? What works? What does not? Is it worth it at all?

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Buy brand new XA2 :D

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Well, Japan is weird but UK is not far behind :D

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I have used mine as a daily driver for since it came out.
+ is faster than sbj1
+ is brighter than sbj1
+ has microsd card which is better than my nexus5
+ has pretty good battery life, comparable to my sbj1 when it was new
+ fingerprint sensor works if somebody likes to use that (ugh...)
+ gps lock and accuracy is amzing
+ all normal things you'd expect work on it
- compass does not work
- nfc does not work
- comes without HWKBD
- kernel is built without modules support so you need to use the community kernel
- latest update to Mouhijoki broke dpurgin's CallRecorder

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worth it, yes: (all IMO)

Cons to Jolla 1
- size, JP-1 is hands down the best device size for sfos, X does not hurt but for some actions i have to "regrip".
- Bluetooth is wonky, some things work some don't. Headsets are no problem for me, Music playback stutters on some speakers.
- wakeup problems, sometimes no touch is recognized and i need to lock and unlock again (maybe only due to unofficial doubletab activation?)...
- Double tap wake up. I went over to always do a triple tap on x because double tap is only ~2/3 of the tries recognized.
- some weird dalvik apps crashing issues (for me)
- onsolved lipstick freeze problem (Red light, freeze) under not reproduce-able conditions.
- The bootscreen is as ugly as i can imagine. 5 wasted seconds of unlock warning followed by 20 secs of GUSHING white with tiny sony logo until sfos pops up. I don't know how often i tantalized my eyes when rebooting at night. Especially nice when the "red light freeze" occours during a night drive.. ZZZZZZZ. How i miss the black bootscreen...

Pros
- significantly faster
- little better multitasking (i expected more from doubled RAM)
- gorgeous screen compared to jp1
- higher res + more brightness make the thin fonts better readable.
- higher brightness range with slider
- Camera better than jp1 but meh in comparison to most other phones out there.
- nicer build quality
- the rounded edges help to fit in pockets and feel better than jp1
- Fingerprint reader takes some time to get used to the (First click than Tab) method but works reliably now that i "am not holding it wrong" anymore ;) Faster than pin for me.
- curved glass feels good for edgeswipes
- louder and nicer sounding speakers.
- wider choice in (quality) accessories
- dalvik with 4.4 compatibility (i've put it last for you)

There may be other tech problems i already got used to or never ran into with my usecase.

EDIT, according to Juicemes post time, it took me longer than 20 minutes to write this post :cool:

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Knowing japanese a bit, i can tell you that we are the weird ones. (mostly).
Many things i learn form japan make me go, oh, yes that makes so much more sense (if properly explained in context).
Like going on strike but still doing the work so the customers do not suffer, but stop billing them for the service to only hurt your employer ;)

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Thanks, juiceme and mosen. I honestly cannot think of any use for NFC and I can't remember I have ever used the compass other than for playing, when everything was new and exciting, but it feels wrong that I should receive a diminished functionality for extra 50€. OTOH, a screen and receiver (phone speaker) I can actually use outside would be nice. A camera... I suppose anything would be better that sjb1, even a camera obscura.

I just don't know if I can manage without TOHOLED. I have grown to very much depend on it. And I never really had any issues with sjb1 being slow or (with the exception of one fatal update when they really screwed it up) running out of RAM. So I do not really need an upgrade, I'm just speculating.

Oh, decisions, decisions...

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Grab one, it just like i did. JP1 was hardly alive, bought x, spent a couple of weeks with android, couldnt stand it anymore and got sailfish x. No alternatives anyway. For now.

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So keeping the offtopic:

So firstly, I guess I should have mentioned this dates back to 2014. I was living in France only briefly (3 months in 2012 and 3 months in 2014), so no French bank would open me an account (also, je ne parle pas francais :-\ ). Reimbursments were typically done just with IBAN bank transfers, only that campus-france scholarship was paid using those post-office cheques.

To make sure, I was commenting about the campus-france reimbursment, no need to blame SNCF for this one. I personally think that trains (especially TGV) is one of the best French things ever, indeed only at the times when people are not striking :)

I wish I can share your optimism that our <0.01% makes any difference in recognizing that apps for every web kind of **** is wrong. I mean, I fully agree with you, but I'd call it naive to think anybody notices us.

That's definitely one of the "features" I'm screaming about while sleeping! ;)

I do use revolut as well, and if @Pichlo reads this and hopes for some on-topic - hey, you can't get revolut app on J1 (the version of AD is too old), but it does work in Sailfish X. Back to off-topic, they actually do have a web-interface for their business customers. From time to time, I check with them whether (at least) the paid version of the personal account would allow using the web interface but so far the answer is NOPE (and nothing is officially scheduled in this manner). BTW, have you noticed that revolut actually does not allow you to access the same account from two different installations of the app? Only the last one works, the others don't sync the transactions (i.e., it synchronizes the transaction when you first log-in, but then it assumes the local copy of the log is always the correct one) - welcome back to the 20th century. I did talk to them about this, it's a "feature", you shouldn't access your revolut account from two different "devices".

Well, we can write here screens of text about this, but, let be honest here: the "app way" is still growing, and there is no real-life reason why it should stop. A majority of the users are happy about this, and since there are basically just two OSes you need to develop your thing for, and most of the work is done via HTML anyways, I can imagine that many software companies are quite happy too. I doubt a group of some kind of weird opensource-obcessed academic-ish nerds has chance to convince the majority what's wrong with that.

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I made my decision
NOT going for the X even it was tempting.

But I was already using the C.
So only positive (and that I would really like) would have been the camera.
Con was the single SIM (and low memory). F5122 was way too pricey, at least the one's from 'trustworthy' dealers.

The XA2 is not a device reaching for high-end but it is smaller. So maybe this is for you:

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Just received my XA2 today, impressed by the quality regarding the X.
Now waiting for the official SFOS port... Coming soon...

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thx for the small comparison, more incentive to get one!
Any reason why you (and others) already hump on the XA2?
I mean, the official port is announced for Q3 and the prices might drop quite a bit until then?
Is there a community port available already?

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Especially with the recent update, mostly everything works. I haven't had any stupid our outstanding issues that make me unable to use it as my daily driver (and really, my only phone outside a novelty one I built using a raspberry pi zero). The built in VPN implementation is finicky, but that's really about all. GPS works, locks nearly instantly, they ironed out the timestamping problems in the SMS client, I don't get any lockscreen hangs anymore, the fingerprint sensor works great, bluetooth audio to my Mass Fidelity relay works flawlessly, the wifi is stable and strong, battery life is EXCELLENT (I frequently get 4 days to a week between charges, using it as a normal phone... texts, calls, few emails, looking up things on the go, a little GPS). The camera and gallery have improved dramatically, and it really looks like they're paying attention to user feedback.

A couple tweaks like modifying /etc/profile.d/developer-profile.sh to get rid of env value errors, resizing the rootfs for more space and finding an sd card that played well with it. But really, no problem. I love it, and any complaint would be nitpicking.

That said, I don't really use the Android stuff. In fact, I haven't installed it since I reflashed a few months ago. I don't miss it, either.

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I hadn't even thought of that. Are there any custom kernels for it yet, like the incredible work by @mautz for the Nexus 5? Man, what I'd do for undervolting on my X...

How does one go about flashing the community kernel? Thanks!

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I actually broke my X, and while looking for an X refurbished, I saw that the price was nearly the same between X and XA2.
But the XA2 got really better specs than the X, and now I can confirm it.
I know I'm stuck on android for few months top, but for 200€ a brand new XA2, there is no debate where you can't hardly find a used X below150€ ...

The finition is a lot better than the X, the screen is bigger and don't have edges

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Hang on, are we talking about the same XA2? The one that is wider and thicker than X and costs about twice as much on eBay?

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You should probably live in France :p

https://m.shop.sosh.fr/mobile/sony-xperia-xa2-noir

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Reading this comparison I do not really ee the XA2 as enhancement
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...nes/10772,9986
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?...&idPhone2=7948

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Because it's not. It's a low-mid range phone, whereas X was almost top of the line.
Specs are almost the same. So I don't understand what clovis86 is so excited about.

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My USED X is for SALE ! thnx;)