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But it doesn't matter how important you are. You can be made important. Likewise, it doesn't matter how important the information on your device is, it can be made important.

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Listen, I totally understand the argument. If someone had access to my email or text messages, they could certainly makes some waves. And sure, If someone wanted to post as me on this forum, I wouldn't be stoked about it. Point is, my accounts can be hacked in a number of ways not having anything to do with my phone.

I was simply saying that the chances of someone taking a mold of my finger to get access to what I have on my phone is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. For some of you, maybe it is less far fetched. Maybe you are blackmail-able. Maybe you have access to money and power. Maybe your lives are on your phone.

For me, a skimmer on a credit card reader at a gas pump, or an ebay seller taking advantage, or someone breaking into my car are far more realistic concerns. In my life, if someone got access to my phone, it would be to sell it, not post something from my Twitter account.

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or maybe you work at some place, that some people might find interesting
or maybe you know some people, that some people might find interesting

PS and if and when it happens, you won't even know of it

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Just a small wake-up call, I received an email yesterday with one of my throwaway passwords in the subject. It said, "I am aware that this is your password, pay me $lots in bitcoin or I will do some nasty things". I have not used that password for a long time and do not know which website was hacked to get hold of it. It's just a good reminder to never drop guard on security.

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I feel like there are two different conversations going on at the same time. I am VERY aware of the security weaknesses of the world we live in and the dangers that follow. I do not take the possibilities lightly.

The conversation being had (by me) was, on a cell phone, is a fingerprint reader adequate security, or do we have to fear people taking molds of our fingers to gain access.

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Ur nickname suits the off topic conversation,lol

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I'm with imaginaryenemy on this rambling discussion.

Security on cell phones has so far always been a compromise between convenience and the strength of security.

And only you, for your own usecase, know how to balance the two.

I've seen people go through the most ridiculous hurdles to secure the most irrelevant things. Because "security".

I've seen people disregarding security for convenience even as it opens holes for quite sensitive data.

Myself, I couldn't be arsed to fiddle with that pin code everytime i unlock my phone. Because I do it hundreds of times per day. Nor with the cumbersome fingerprint scanner of current Sailfish X (I tried). The data I have on my phone is not in importance proportional to the inconvenience and time lost I'd suffer daily, hundreds of times.

For many others this is not the case. They have data that needs to be protected better.

And each one of us knows the balance for themselves best, where the line between convenience and security lies.

The truth of the matter is of course, that much more people do not have the knowledge to make an educated decision on this. But that's besides the point on this forum, as I think most of the participants here are well enough versed on the topic.

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LOL you g People Who livets in free countries does not care if someone steal or log your account.

You May think differential in som years when you realize how stupid that was to not care.

I mean look around the world populist leadeers makes dictators rule then People like you will loose since you did not care. The only I can say:you are not alone puttning The head in The sand. /facepalm

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Gave away my newly bought Samsung S8 and will use xPhone for my secondary sim. Anything new when it comes to services or apps?

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I was somewhat expecting for Jolla to release the 2.2.1 today as they were asking for strings to be translated by 11th of July. Seems like they might have hit some delays along the line as 2.2.1 is most likely the last update before 3.0 and had to get all the packages prepared for 3.0 update.

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you never roll out an update on friday, unless you wanna work the whole weekend in case anything goes wrong

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What about this from Jolla blog !


BraapBraap on August 10, 2018 at 5:29 pm
Seriously WTF?!?!?
PR/Marketing according to Jolla:
1) Make big, exciting announcement regarding some new development/product to keep stringing people along lest they get tired of forever hanging on for Jolla to deliver or turn to a product already available on the market.
2) Make sure this announcement is made waaaaaaaaaaaaaay in advance of new development/product actually being available to purchase.
3) When pressed on release dates , eh, just aim for a random Q date, ensuring that its far off enough in the future to actually give ourselves a chance to deliver on whatever crazy promise we might have made!
4) From that point onwards be really vague about any updates regarding how new development/product is developing.
5) Then a few months later, simply act like there was never an announcement in the first place!
6) If customers become snarky or pushy, remember to hide behind the excuse that we are a very small team and that they are now being unrealistic in their expectations. (At no point should Jolla staff refer back to original statement should it show that we have yet to deliver on our promised new development/product!)
7) Rinse & Repeat!


I do for instance agree with all points, but if i want to reply on the official Jolla blog my messages/replies are blocked or removed by the moderators there, am in a blacklist lol?

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No, you are not. I doubt that. As far as I understand they have to accept new members before comments are visible. And that might take a while since they slowly abandon the blog and refund.

Edit: If you want me to ask in the blog post, just say so and we can figure out what’s going on.

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since they slowly abandon the blog and refund.

Any proof on that part?

Because ur refund did not take place yet doesn't mean they abandon or even the blog .

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Yes, read between the lines. Less comments, less or no updates of old blog posts. Less new blog posts.

They have abandon the blog post about refunds for almost nine months. I say it’s a scam when they refer to that blog post.

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I do read between UR lines, Refund Avenger, ur posting on the wrong blog and too much its like trolling, no use of arguing or discussing that subjects on every blog, point ur gun to jolla directly instead of me hahaha.

waste of time as i see it, move on please

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And yet you are the one that is blocked/banned :D

I was trying to help you but no point I see...

The refund will come or jolla will disappear. We will see what will hit us first.

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No u gave comments, and assuming things, and ur last remark says it all, END

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With how long it's talking to release 2.2.1 I don't think Jolla will be releasing SFOS 3.0 at Q3 of this year as they promised. I would surprised if they will manage Q4

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I don't expect anything before september. It is summertime with probably more people out of office.

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So what. What do you expect from "SFOS 3.0"?
With the pace of the last 4 years I learned not to expect anything. Helps against disappointment ;)

We should be happy with at least kernel and security updates. And here and there some tweaking of the system and some new features (e.g. VPN).

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Support for New Sony device

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With XZ3 Compact being just around the corner (Aug.30) and Sony still struggling with XZ2 Compact bootloader update release, Jolla could as well jump right on fresh XZ3C after XA2 release.

PS If Sony will make it 'open' quick, unlike XZ2*

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Seriously??? You expect Jolla to support for a brand new device? You must be kidding yourself. They did not start supporting the previous one until it was already out of production.

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Well... I was looking for a really alternative for Android as iOS never was an option for me... Following Jolla since first announcement on the Slush of 2012 showing the Sailfish OS demo on the n950...
Bought the Xperia X specially for try and support Jolla, well... Good but not for a full replacement of android, so went back and waited for updates... Months spend and there was not a really improvement, so I sold my Xperia X and bought the XA2 waiting the Sailfish OS 3, as a lot of promises was made for that and also a upgrade for the android layer... Until now... No 2.2.1 update... We are not far for the ending of Q3... So, after 6 years I'm starting to not justify Jolla and be disappointed with the company... Even the Jala phone is not getting Sailfish... Difficult to trust Jolla on this stage and even with no refund for people that trusted Jolla with the tablet and tried to support them

Enviado desde mi H3123 mediante Tapatalk

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Jolla was relatively good in keeping promissed deadlines this year. They even realeased the fingerprint sensor support for Xperia X one update ahead plan.

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Being an early adopter is always a really joyful but risky and expensive hobby. Learning from previous experiences I bought my N9, J1 and Sony X after 1-2 years into production. Was never disappointed and never felt I was lied to. Skipped AquaFish for same reason as it turned out to be no real upgrade to J1.


OFF:
Similar goes for cars: Just buy a new car just before facelift for relatively best possible quality.
For reference nowadays usually car models have a cycle of generation1 (1.5-2 years) >> gen1facelift (1.5-2 y) >> generation2 >> ...
where at the end of ever phase early errors get ironed out and for facelift some cost reduction comes with trying to change to some cheaper components or cheaper suppliers.

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After a few weeks on the Sony Xperia X, I concluded the following (warning, a lot of repeating of old comments):

If I had no other phone I would be happy with Sailfish X + Xperia X combo.
Camera quality is good enough and colour makes up for the lack of sharpness.
Post treatment will get you a lot of detail out of the pictures which normally Sony software would do for you.

The display of the Sony Xperia is gorgeous,
the form factor of the phone excellent, the build quality is as good as it gets on modern phones (no glass back waiting to break and embarrass the owner on first wrong move).

The price / quality unbeaten (paid 80 Euro, thanks to the ever upgrade hunger of the Android crowd)

However, the OS is still setting it back though. I don't need many "apps" but some essentials like Spotify have been abandoned already.

The swipe only, buttonless interface is supposed to be the very aspect that should attract the people tired of Android / iOS but I hate to admit that returning to Android felt like a big increase in productivity and I can't find any reason to recommend it except from it being European and not Google.

While Sailfish may be a descendendent of Harmattan on the Nokia N9 and the most excellent Maemo OS on the N900, the current Sailfish version 2.0 does not have the intuitive feel both of the predecessors had.
I find myself swiping around and having to re-think of what I needed to do again, instead of just go there without thinking and get it done.
I am not digging into details, as I suppose after Intex adventure, 3.0 will fix the interface.

Previously only IOS could give me this feeling of getting lost. Combine it with the usual frustrations of using display only phones (copy paste struggles, typing inserting "." at every word instead of spaces..)

I also stop believing in this independent OS story.
It is clear that at some point a prospect licensing account told Jolla to make the Sailfish OS 2.0 this very way , if not no deal. That is the only way I can explain the lack of flow in the interface: itt has been Androidified since version 1.0..
The remorse timer button, the disappearance of excellent swipe actions on minimized apps, the not live aspect of minimized app icons turning them in fact in homepage shortcuts..etc.. Add on top of this the "themes" showing up instead of the actions that would have deserved to be in front.

Next to the superiour interface that is not there, the Jolla OS is inexplicably lacking the other aspect that could make it great to use:
Integration of key services. We are so far from the days where we could tick a few dots in a unified, clean inteface: online with Yahoo, offline with Skype, online with SIP... done!

There is only facebook and that is about it, ok maybe drop box etc.. No flickr, no Skype, no alternatives to those that may people move from Skype , Google, etc.. to the more friendly alternatives. Jolla fails to motivate possible partners to work together on integrating their service and make one ellegant smaprthone OS to attract everyone who has no affiliation to Android.
There are no sign of obvious telecom/ privacy / security partnerships as for example I can't even use the Swiss based Wire secure messenger due to outdated Android compatibility. Soon even the Discogs application will stop working on this.
No SIP integration. In a phone. How is this even possible? A phone is no longer about calling?
Yes, since many years it has been proven the feature is there righ for command prompt experiment users..
Ok enough said, I have to think about my blood pressure, it is not worth it after all thos years.
Time to sell that Jolla 1.
I suppose something positive to say is that the good people at Jolla thought about VPN functionality.
Looking out for the next version without high hopes because let's be frank, when all we look out of is upgrade of Android compatibility layer to run a secure phone call to at least 1 or 2 non nerd, non expert users, the future does look not too bright for the alternative Phone OS.

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Which is entirely fine by me. I'm already very happy with the phone as it is, and Jolla has promised to update the Android system, which could potentially solve the last few bugs in the few critical non-native apps I need (mostly banking 2-Factor stuff).

I'm lucky, I tend to use youtube for my music streaming needs !
:-D


It's funny because I have the exact opposite experience.
My first smartphone (until then I was using dumbphone + PDA combos) was Palm Pre running webOS.
webOS was touted as heavily gesture-oriented (and geared toward multi-tasking) though at the time I didn't understand why.
It's only afterward when I started playing with other people's phones that I understood the whole deal - I found iOS and Android very clunky.

I switched to Sailfish very naturally coming from one gesture- heavy OS to another.
(Though I'm still missing the "hand of cards" metaphor for handling multi-tabs. Sailfish has a nice "grid of cards approach" which handles multiple apps nicely, but only the window level, not the tab level).

Android and iOS still feel "clunky" to me.
(Maybe because I tend to jump multi-tasking around ?)

I totally see your pain with typing, like e.g. "."
I personally solved it by having a foldable bluetooth keyboard for more intense typing session (e.g.: when chatting a lot).


you can resurect the swipe actions using a patch.

(which in itself is one of the things I like back with PalmOS and webOS and now with Sailfish : community of hacker and tons of patching and customisation)

Also patchable to show quick-actions instead.


Skype has mostly finished transitioning to their webapp-interface.
Meaning that plugins like SkypeWeb relying on the web API instead of some native library should be the way to go.
(I use this on my desktop).
Of course, somebody has ported it to Sailfish, though I haven't tested that one.
(and I think it doesn't support voice/video calling yet).

Regarding alternative:
telegram, openwhisper, matix, facebook and (most importantly in my professionnal setting) slack have all (separated, non-integrated) native apps on Sailfish.

(But saddly not integrated into a single messaging interface, due to each network having their own weird peculiarities).

WhatsApp is about the only network currently not working as native app on Sailfish, mostly due to the devs being extremely aggressive against 3rd party clients.

And if you need the original, android applications work too : Skype Lite works including voice calls (and has a slightly lower foot print than Skype classic), Facebook Messenger works too (and also has a Lite alternative), same for WhatsApp.

(Wire *has actually* been reported to work on the 4.4 kitkat compatibility layer that comes with Sailfish X, but I don't use that)

And saddly it's going to take some time until Sailfish is big enough for partners to consider worthwhile to put effort into native Sailfish apps.
For now we have to rely on community efforts, and thus native support relies on :
- the service having publicly documented APIs, or at least not actively throwing lawyers at any attempt to reverse engineer (WhatsApp, I'm looking at you !)
- community devs having an interest into developing the app.

Saddly, yes, again. Appart from a few Sailfish X licenses sold here and there, most of the money that Jolla is getting comes from a couple of carriers that wants Sailfish on their flagphone.
i.e.: company that aren't interested into VoIP at all.
So Jolla doesn't receive any significant budget to develop VoIP.

So for now, VoIP is mostly a community effort, though that has already generated all the necessary backend bits (the sophia-sip and telepathy-rakia that you mention on the command-line).

Also, as some carrier are introducing "Wifi Call" (basically, official carrier-sanctioned SIP), interests might change and Jolla could receive more resources to help finish polishing this in the future.

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Regarding what is more intuitive - buttons or swipes... It is yet another example of folks conflating 'intuitive' with 'familiar'.

As far as I am concerned, either approach can work if the rest of the UI is designed well.

Everyone has an example, here is mine. My other half had been using an old Nokia candybar, like everyone else.
In 2009, I gave her her first smartphone, Nokia 5800 XpressMusic. It took her a while to get used to the screen only interface, but with the help of the stylus, she mastered it. But still used it only as a phone and camera, not for any 'smart' stuff, like reading emails.
In 2014, I gave her a Jolla. She never really warmed up to it. For the first three years I saw it mostly laying on the shelf, unused. But about 2 yars ago she started taking it with her and using it for emails and occasionally browsing. Still using the 5800 as her primary phone.
She had been moaning about the deficiencies of Jolla and Sailfish ever since she picked it up. No social cr@p, even Slackfish mostly unusable. Her friend had an iPhone and praised it to heavens and, as is usually the case with a bad master blaming the tools, she assumed that an iPhone would automatically solve all her problems and satisfy all her needs. Well, tough. There is no way I could afford a grand (slang for a thousand pounds) for a new iPhone and I was not going to get her a used one for birthday, so I got her an Android. Not a flagship but a very decent mid-range.
And here comes the rub. I constantly see her struggling with it, trying to use swipes to do stuff ;)

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If designed well, there you mention it.


Thanks for your write up, as expected helpful and insightful from as can only be brought up by many a respected member here.

However, I am done being happy with what I already have, it won't help Jolla.
Here's part of why (tried to keep it short)


I should clarify that I never had problems to switch from anything key based to screen based to
WebOS (on the stillborn Pre 3 if I remember correctly) , Maemo (N900), Harmattan MeeGowhatever (Nokia N9)

Those were all prime examples of touch interfaces wich I got intuitively and the moment I used them I felt respected as a user and more a human.

Sailfish on Jolla the first one, Salfish 1.0 was also found in that very same row of OS i got intuitively,

although it being younger it was slighly and unexplainable below Harmattan which only featured some awkward back arrow here and there (if I remember correctly) to break its excellent consistency. Sailfish was just OK in comparison, no way a perfected version.

So by now you'll understand that I was talking about Jolla Sailfish 2.O that under pressure of some potential, temporary license taker has transformed towards a iOS type unintuitive interface.
The killer is in the details.

We don't need to praise Sailfish OS 2.0 multitasking abilities that have certainly improved, if the live tiles no longer exist but have become mere shortcuts to apps that may or not be still running.
I find it that normal after all those years and increasing RAM / power saving capabilities of chipsets less and less apps auto-close.


Its the interface: Sailfish 2.0 categorizes in the minority of OS that force me to study and think how to get basic some of its basic functionality.
Is it my own ageing, I doubt it. I was perfectly able after long years of resistance to make the best out of the "clumsy" Android 8.0
Being on the same frustration level with iOS is no compliment to Sailfish 2.0, that's truly bad.

People keep up struggle with iOS because other people also struggle with it so it must be good and they will never know how they are struggling.
And besides that, some of the (integrated) software is really good making up for a whole lot of things.

Take an up to date iOS iPhone 6s device anno 2018 try to take a picture.
Ok you framed the precious moment, held your breath, stabilised, pushed the shutter.
Then some menu pops up.
Surely, what did you expect; Apple knows you did not want to take that picture after all.
This is artificial intelligence at a higher level at work that decided to push that floating menu button(whatever it is called) exactly on top of the camera shutter button.
How an OS with "features" like that is being globally accepted and praised without having to quick fix this in uther shame, is testemonial to the sad state of affairs of mobile OSes.

Jolla has seen the competition get away with it and might have thought they can get away with their inconstencies as people will surely accept it like they do in iOS.

Wrong, the only weapon Jolla has is to show the inconsistencies and backwardness of iOS by offering polished, consistent interface that everyone falls in love with.

Jolla are so lucky that iOS and Android take many years to update their 200X inteface into one to kill all previous... but they can afford resting on their laurels.

What did Jolla do with this opportunity?
Comes the first Intex "partner", and they Android - iOS ify the thing. Should they have taken one community member into the meeting that would have not happened. Stand your ground for long term succes.


Remember Engadget on Harmattan running on the N9? The iOS and Android tiredness had set in already. The OS got praised even though everyone in the business know how the plot was going to end. Here I copy pasted it for you; I did not read it for years and guess what is being praised: integration, interface.

Quote:

MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan is such a breath of fresh air it will leave you gasping -- that is, until you remember that you're dealing with a dead man walking. It's impossible to dismiss what's been achieved here -- a thoroughly modern, elegant, linux-based OS with inspired design that's simple and intuitive to use, all developed in house by Nokia. Sure, it's at least a year too late, and it lacks a strong ecosystem, but still, it gives Windows Phone a serious run for its money. For one, it ships out of the gate with copy / paste and card-based multitasking. Additionally, it integrates a plethora of on-line services right in the core of the OS.


Jolla has not yet come to an end even though they do not seem to know where they want to take it before it all ends (preferably happy).

Thus it seems we have to guide them a little bit by being less forgiving.


"Wait, there is an app for that" should not be transformed in "wait, there is a patch for that"

Both of these should be optional but unnecessary for 95% of the users.


For the remaining part, I thank you for your patience and spirit to summarize the state of affairs regarding patches and communication networks that work and do not work even not on the Android level.

I am no longer looking to patch stuff if the basic interface remains.
Patches should not be necessary, those should instead be options.
The interface flow should be fully customizable to prevent a Sailfish 2.0 debacle.

Anecdote to illustrate. This very morning, I was still struggling to get my Jolla X out of flight mode -> back and forth through multiple screens of course the productively useless "themes" came multiple time up front.
Then after some fiddling around finally found the quick shortuct icons screen above the message area (compared to a simple pull down in Android). Flight mode nowhere to be seen.
So I think, ok must be there is no (longer) the optional shortcut for it.
So I went to shortcuts and yes, flight mode included.
Gave up and went for coffee. Yes I could have gone to settings and get the whole overview..
I might wel be in the denial phase for dimential, don't have purple hair and two rings in my face or a more up to date WW1 officer facial hair style to be matching the "be different" style.. but I can't explain this to my father, less my 87 year old uncle who now want a smartphone and whom i would gladly donate Sailfish if it just...


If some carrier wants to lock those options from its users in fear they will not "get" it or not to distract them from the main source of, well that should be possible. And at that point hacking and patching may bring relief to people with a locked Sailfish OS

Furthermore, returning to the basic communication functionalities, I can report that Wire Secure Messenger does no longer work on the Android version currently on Sailfish X (no network connection), same problem on an old tablet running android.

This Android version of Sailfish X is quickly descending into the "unsupported" area.

So there were are, major applications being abandoned, with the Android compatibility layer that was supposed to fade out when native apps came available no longer offering no longer relief for the missing native basic (communication) applications,

The should be even more incentive for Jolla to be unlike and throw away the "ecosystem" fight set by Elop's rules and get everything in place in a nice central communication hub.

Then invite a few (smaller, less arrogant) key partners like Telegram, Wire, Signal etc..all Facebook / Twitter alternatives including blockchain to connect / adapt their systems to this central communication hub.

Jolla once had ambitions with 3rd party Hardware 2nd half makers.

Why not simply expect the same for software in which they finally have settled as their core business after wasting precious time with their in house China hardware demo's.

Start with the European ones like Jitsi (XMPP) and Wire, see what they can offer to grow strong together.


As it stands:

1) the parties haven't met.. it seems easier to Jolla to hold partnership negotiations on the other end of the world than in iOS and Android infected Europe that still remembers it once had its own OS (at least developers should do)
2) when "connected" by idea's of simple users like me requesting integration the answer is: "we are too small to invest in.." (each other).

So they run their business totally convergent and most if not all efforts flow to Android, iOS.

Next time in partnership negotiations, bring some people who lived through all the hopes and downs in this forum. It will help the mobile phone industry much more forward than hire a "proven manager" from Microsoft or old Nokia to do that job.

Remember I reject everything Google, use Linux , search engines such as unbubble, startpage, qwant , ddgo, do test social network on blockchain before ever being on and then off facebook.
Mail with Protonmail etc.. I do my best to be different beyond my underwear and hair style.
Jolla makes it just a non exciting experience as long as they fail to do their part properly together with the indispensable partners & governments who are equally guilty of making the breaking of 10 years status quo impossible.

:cool:

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Somebody from Finland, with at least 10 years of experience hanging out on this website in its previous and current form..
You know what needs to be done.
Please go into Jolla, softly sideline the management and fix Jolla some partners that push it on track to become the the true alternative mobile communcation OS the world naturally adopts for the next decade.

Vice President / Director of Business Development

We are looking for a Vice President / Director of Business Development to join our team operating from Finland. In this role you will plan and drive global business development activities of the company as well as develop Sailfish OS international strategy and execution plan further. You will also manage customer funnel & in-flow focusing on B2B and B2G sales in the selected target markets. Potential markets include e.g. China, Latin Americas & India.

This is a global position with frequent travelling included, home base of the operations being Finland, Tampere or Helsinki.

Responsibilities include

Driving Sailfish OS global licensing and project business. Closing deals and follow-up.
Overall responsibility of customer accounts and business partner management.
Identifying and analyzing potential business partners and areas to drive and complement Jolla’s strategy.
Identify & develop new business opportunities for Sailfish OS.
In coordination with the CEO and management team, establish both market and target customer strategies for Jolla.
Business case modeling internally and together with partners.

Requirements for the role

In minimum six years of international business development experience, with preferred experience in software licensing in B2B & B2G segments. Strong track record.
Experience in turning BD activities to real sales. Capability to close deals and follow up.
Interested in (and have good understanding) of software technologies, preferably in mobile SW business.
Able to travel internationally on an ad hoc basis.
Good communication skills in English.
Independent, innovative and proactive way of working.
Ability to work as part of company management team.
M. Sc. / B.Sc. degree in Engineering, Industrial Economics, Sales or other relevant field.

In addition we value

Exceptional interpersonal skills. An easy to approach person with excellent networking skills.
Excellent communications and presentation skills. A business mindset and a can-do attitude.
Ready established network and relevant contacts in potential B2B / B2G customer segments and / or clear track-record of capability to quickly establish one.
Ability to work independently and with minimum resources provided.
Experienced working in a small company / start-up environment.
Capability to participate in virtual team work effectively (on-line meetings etc.).

This is a permanent, full-time position and starts immediately once the selection process is completed.

https://jolla.com/careers/#BusinessDevelopment

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That B2G is what worries me ;)

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Just couple of thoughts / short comments... personally I had to adjust more on Sailfish 1.0 than on 2.0. I liked the live tiles with swipe more than push button-version though.

I don't know how you use your iPhone, but I never had that kind of experience with 6s.

Initially, perhaps. Not any more as main driver is actually delivering something that is not made and controlled in US. Alternative UI, idea about OS respecting your privacy and being generally friendly didn't pay the bills, so they had to shift the focus to something else - like tailored for Governments stuff.

Or die to oblivion because nobody can buy devices running your community-OS. If you have deep pockets, you can try to pull it off. If you don't, you'll have to adjust.

Problem here is that most 3rd parties want to control their service ecosystem and user experience, hence they write their own apps instead of relying on integrating them into existing messaging UI/framework. Maemo-style integration was pelasant in many ways, however, in that way you are always limited what the original messaging offers. It's hard to see how it benefits those 3rd parties and their products/services (after all, they want to get more money out of them in one way or another), so you cannot force it though the OS - try it and you are on your own with community members so butthurt about privacy demanding native Facebook/Whatsapp/snapchat/whateversocialmediaspyingplatform client/integration to your OS you are unable to deliver...

Much of that ended with chapter 11-type thing....

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well well well... 2.2.1.18 - Nurmonjoki - 31 Aug 2018
https://coderus.openrepos.net/whitesoft/sailversion

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

For a restricted audience maybe?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

it would be possible to update manually?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I guess so but being my main phone I won't try.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

...will try on my older Jolla 1.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The terminology used by Jolla is Early Access

You can switch your whole account to early-access mode, but every single device you own will get the update.

Better to manually update your non-main device if you have several.

Use ssu: