Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I couldn't agree more.

Got an XA2 and thought I'd try and get ahead of the game by unlocking the bootloader, Device manager shows up an uninstalled Android device rather than a Sony fastboot driver, but despite downloading the Sony XA2 USB driver I wasn't able to install the USB driver. Using Emma shows up a locked device (the bootloader is definitely unlockable, I have checked). Has anybody else tried to unlock the bootloader on the XA2 yet?

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Well, i am not familiar with how to flash on (your specific config/install of) windows, but it sounds like your device has booted into android and you could use ADB via usb with set up windows drivers from the state you describe?

To unlock you need to use Fastboot, a simple common flash tool for all phones. I compiled a windows version of ADB+Fastboot from googles sources and packaged here.
You would need to boot the xa2 into fastboot mode so the fastboot command on your pc can connect to it.
1. Power off
2. plug in usb to pc
3. hold volume down on the phone
4. plug in usb c (from pc or power source)

Entering fastboot mode should also work without cable, simply by holding volume down during off state and then press power button with vol down held until fastboot menu appears.

If connected to pc, you can check with issued in your windows console/cmd from same folder than the fastboot executables are located (extracted from linked zip).

If you have a working ADB driver on your win pc, you could also activate ADB on the phone in developer settings (hidden behind 7x buildnumber tabbing). Then command should reboot into fastboot mode without the vol down trick.

But you should look into how to backup your TA partition before unlock/flash if you plan to reinstall android anytime.

To actually unlock a modern sony with fastboot, you will need an unlock key like described here.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

@mosen it need enable debugging option before shutdown the phone to connect with fastboot?

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sf 2.2.2.a.b is expecting delays. lot of improves in camera. :)

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"enable debugging" is to activate adb on the phone.
ADB is not needed if you do the vol down hold -> power on trick to boot into bootloader/fastboot on the phone.

ADB can be ignored and just adds confusion.
If you read the instructions from sites like i linked, they only use ADB to enter bootloader to not make the user miss the finger combo i guess...
ADB generally is a kind of shell running on android you connect from your phone to. You can do things like copy files to and from the device and reboot it as done here. But setting up adb and confusing modes is what fails for most users so i would advise to ignore adb.

1. install sony usb windows driver (i guess. maybe only for adb but may be needed for fastboot permissions?)
2. "finger" the phone into bootloader/fastboot mode
3. extract linked fastboot zip to pc
4. from extracted folder issue fastboot commands

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

thanks, just to make sure.

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Hint to german locals, i snatched the XA2 just now from saturn for only 219€, offered only until 09:00 this morning.

EDIT for those who missed:
229,99€ here:
https://www.guterkauf.com.de/de_DE/p...lock-blau.html

and here: 226,99€
https://techkiste.com/products/21543

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Any source?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

@carlosgonz

From my experience with Xperia X :

- fastboot only works if the phone is unlocked (and thus the TA fried).
- on stock Xperia smartphone, the only combo that works is the combo that bring Sony's proprietary flash mode (so either using the free "Flashtool" or Sony's Emma, but no fastboot)

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Well, yeah. That's what confuses users. Sorry to be part of it. Both is possible.
What i described was using the linux tools on windows. This works, but as i read the official install instructions again, Jolla seams to utilizes Flashtool on windows and fastboot in Linux instructions to unlock.
Now think about windows users asking linux guys how to flash. confusion confusion ;)

EDIT, screw above... I was right. Read it again thoroughly. To unlock the bootloader they use fastboot in all instances. So the confusion for me is caused by windows needing the sony propriatary tool at all... Technically they could strctly rely on fastboot fo the whole job, but overcomplicate things with a "convenient" extra tool. Maybe needed to overcome windows permission problems?

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Unlock Bootloader on XA2:
Go to https://developer.sony.com/develop/o...ck-bootloader/
-select device -Xperia XA2-
-enter IMEI
-check the two acknowledge boxes
-click 'submit'
-note down 'Unlock Code'

-on device: enable OEM unlocking and USB debugging in Developer Options (Settings > About phone and tap seven times on Build number to enable developer options)
-turn off device and unplug
-hold volume UP !!! and connect device via USB to enter fastboot mode (LED turns blue on device upper right corner)
-check drivers and device manager
(I used latest adb and fastboot drivers from google https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/re...er_windows.zip
and minimal adb fastboot from https://androiddatahost.com/wp-conte...oot_v1.4.3.zip)
-open cmd in ADB install directory
-check if device is present with -enter Done

Note: VOLUME UP activates fastboot and VOLUME DOWN enables flashmode and/or recovery mode

btw.
O2 Germany sells Xperia XA2 for 199,-€ (no contract)
(also posted on together.jolla)
https://www.o2online.de/e-shop/sony/...?ohne-tarif=ja

Cheers,

J4ZZ

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https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php...&idPhone2=7948

just wondering.. where is the advantage of Xperia XA2 over Xperia X?? I am not a techie, so pls excuse if my question sounds dumb!!

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

XA2 is newer. That qualifies as "better", does it not? ;)

Oh, and it has a fingerprint scanner at the back as opposed to on the side.
Yeah, that must be it.

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For me it is the ~1/4 bigger battery and the slight impression Jolla silently abondonned HADK optimization on the Xperia X and is effectively working on XA2 since quite some time. But that is only a mix of gut feeling and propably false hope for a (more) bug free XA2.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

There are some minor benefits of XA2 like larger battery I still went recently for X as for me it looks better and more elegant HW wise. XA2 is not thin at all, and has a curvy backside to cover that up. This way X felt in my hand as being a bit smaller which may be important for small handed people like me.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well it seems like they might skip 2.2.2

[Official announcement] L10n strings for 3.0.0

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Thanks for the reply J4ZZ, I have been unable to update the drivers. I have unzipped your files and used that folder to be the source of the update. Still no joy. I have experience of this as I have already done two xperia x's, but can go no further with the XA2. Attached is a screenshot of the device manager. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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I'm afraid the XA2 has slower CPU. Not that I know if anyone would notice, because the X isn't that efficient in using all cores when needed. But basically XA2 is a cheaper model.

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The CPU is more power efficient though with 14nm snapdragon 630 on XA2 vs 28nm snapdragon 650 on Xperia X.

XA2 memory is at 1333MHz vs 933MHz on X.

Having it in hand now, i can not wait to have edge swipe on that thingy. The left and right edges feel like made with edge swipe in mind tbh. On Xperia X, only the glass is curved but on XA2 i get actual N9 feels! (- the size)

The XA2 is only marginally bigger than X, but 20g heavier, 170g vs 150g.
The screen size of 5.2" fitted on near same space than 5" Xperia X makes it look more advanced. Less bezel overall.

Ah, and connectivity options are more recent. Cat13 LTE (600Mbps) is possible on XA2 vs Cat6 (300Mbps) on X

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php...&idPhone2=7948

https://versus.com/en/qualcomm-snapdragon-630-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-650

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I wrote you a pm with small instructions.
use "have disk" and point to the driver directly.

http://thumbs2.imagebam.com/72/7b/ef...7999171724.jpghttp://thumbs2.imagebam.com/dc/7f/d1...c999171744.jpghttp://thumbs2.imagebam.com/45/1d/5d...9999171754.jpghttp://thumbs2.imagebam.com/d8/84/54...0999171764.jpg

You could also try USBDeview from Nirsoft to remove old device drivers and start clean. Attachment 40131

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@mosen you have the Dual-Sim version, don't you?
Is it true Dual-Sim? So are you able to put in two SIM-Cards AND a Micro-SD or is it just like: "You can decide, if you want to put in a second SIM OR a Micro-SD"?

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

No, 2 Sim + Sd is NOT possible.
It is one of those holders with only one dedicated sim and one sim/sd "slots".

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Yeah, with dual sim XA2 has only 32GB instead of 64GB on X.

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Ok, so if I dicide to switch to a XA2. I can go for the Single-SIM version. To forgo extra space is a no go for me.

By the way: I'm thinking about a switch because of the following reasons:

Battery Life: While battery life on the Xperia X is quite good I expect a further significant improvement. Processor on XA2 should be more efficient and battery itself is way bigger.

Thicker phone: Xperia X is to thin. Without a sleeve I can't hold it really save in my hands.

Design: I never liked the Design of the Xperia X - it looks so trivial. The XA2 looks more special in my eyes quite attractive.

Why do I still hesitate?
Well, I'm still hoping that Chen presents a QWERTZ Slider anytime soon.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

I've already got XA2 - the design is very similar to N9 :)

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There is and will be no device like the N9;-)

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Probably, but unfortunately it wasn't as brilliant as the N900. :D:p
Fu**! I'm missing a modern qwerty slider with a stylus...

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today was the last day for release sf 2.2.2.a.bz :mad:

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Well, on other devices. A hack have been tried, which works ;)
https://www.noreplied.com/how-to-ins...alaxy-s7-edge/

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

looks like we will get 3.0 soon and 2.2.2 will be jumped over.

translations will be prepared:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...rings-for-300/

:D

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Anyone seen Copernicus lately? He would have loved 3.0. I hope he doing fine.

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Found out that Sony has 4.9 kernel for X (in beta now).

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I did some measurements, a micro SD card is ~0.8mm thick, the raised end part of the card is ~0.94mm. The XA2 SD/SIM tray loaded with memory card is ~1.02mm, while a stripped sim card is ~0.4mm thick.

The raised part of the SD card should be filed to become flat, but then we need to remove an extra ~0.15mm from the other side of the card, which might be tricky.

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Better to check first if XA2 behaves like X.
https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?...postcount=1817

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hm, that could be a problem then, that hybrid dual sim/sd slot is a seriously stupid invention, at least the f5122 had 64gb, h4133 is only 32gb.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

thiese trays are even stupider on Sony phone as their Android seem to commit Sepuku whenever the SIM card is taken out.

Thus, you can't swap SD cards while the phone is On, even if you unmounted the card correctly, it will do a full reboot anyway.

It should at least be separate slots/trays for SIM(s) and for SD.

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That would have been great news for us, except that we don't have any info whether Jolla will be upgrading kernels SFOS 3, or if we're stuck with the old buggy 3.10.84 from Sony's 6.0 Mashmallow SDK.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

also, in the comments of the blog, jolla devs have mentioned that the upcoming SFOS 3 on Xa2 will have support for Android 8 Oreo in the compatibility layer.
But this layer has some device-specific stuff, and won't necessarily be ported to other devices.
It might be that we Xperia X users are stuck with the current Android 4.4 Kitkat compatibility layer.
(it's technically impossible for the Jolla1, that one is going to stay with a 4.2 Jellybean for ever)

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They say X wont get the same runtime as XA2, not that it wont be updated at all. BTW, maybe its just my imagination, but some time ago somewhere on TJC I read a discussion about X kernel, that they were considering about not updating it.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Looking in the log of the last community meeting it looks like we should expect Android 7 for Xperia X :

source:
http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-m...09.00.log.html