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Halftux 2020-03-13 14:31

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1566030)
I know that python SimpleHTTPServer could do it, but maybe there's a gui app already...

I don't think that there is a gui application. I am using nginx not for transfering files, but to have a local repository on device.
Don't know about java and never tried but there is this nginx-admin maybe it works and then you have a kind of gui.

Otherwise you could try to use ftp there is a gui but don't know if it is working https://openrepos.net/content/dipesh/ftp-server. But this is something similar what you are looking for.

lantern 2020-03-30 22:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Is it for everybody that Xperia 10 Camera 16:9 is only 8 MP?

pichlo 2020-03-31 10:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1566382)
Is it for everybody that Xperia 10 Camera 16:9 is only 8 MP?

It says 20MPix on mine. 8MPix is for the front camera.

Jedibeeftrix 2020-03-31 11:07

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
What is the situation with Android app-stores right now?

There was aptoide which was the semi-official store with an easy to install method.

Now this is deemed dodgy - with updates not to be trusted - and another appstore suggested.

But no easy way to install this - and android apps need updating...

What [should] we be doing, and [how] should we be doing it?

nonsuch 2020-03-31 11:31

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
^ There's F-Droid in the jolla store. Definitely not dodgy.

Why is Aptoide "deemed dodgy"?
From Google's point of view I guess every official store mirror would be dodgy.

If you need something that's not in F-Droid, you can always install downloaded .apk files manually I guess?

rob_kouw 2020-04-01 06:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Aurora Store works fine. The process of installing all updates may miss one or two, but after a few runs everything is up to date again.
Using MicroG on XA2. F-Droid has been installed too, but I forgot what for [:)]

satoh 2020-04-01 07:37

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1566401)
It says 20MPix on mine. 8MPix is for the front camera.

And this is on Xperia 10? I have it 16:9 8 Mpx, 4:3 12 Mpx.
It doesn't even have a 20 Mpx sensor, but a 13 Mpx one according to Wikipedia.

pichlo 2020-04-01 07:47

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by satoh (Post 1566442)
And this is on Xperia 10?

Oh, sorry, I was so blinded by assuming this thread was only about Xperia X that I did not read the question properly (or even the thread title).

http://images.memes.com/meme/1025307

Jedibeeftrix 2020-04-01 07:52

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nonsuch (Post 1566404)
^ There's F-Droid in the jolla store. Definitely not dodgy.

Why is Aptoide "deemed dodgy"?
From Google's point of view I guess every official store mirror would be dodgy.

If you need something that's not in F-Droid, you can always install downloaded .apk files manually I guess?

Dodgy:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...ched-security/
https://together.jolla.com/question/...it-safe-again/

Apparently fixed - but not a great day in Jolla comms strategy that this wasn't better advertised.

briest 2020-04-01 10:11

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rob_kouw (Post 1566441)
Aurora Store works fine.

Not on X :( . I have an An-drone tablet with Lineage, so I download apks with Aurora there and copy to Xperia. Some apps work.

mikecomputing 2020-04-30 20:01

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Crying out load I often not use "smartphones" I still is old guy that uses my ****ing laptop for most stuff. And facebook and similar pace of garbage is banned.

So my Sony XA SFOS DID work nicelly with

* telegram
* JollaWebbrowser
* JollaPhoneapp
* weatherapp
* Camera
* and my own uradio

Above is the only needed on my phone.

Well would be nice with bankid to but can't blame jolla for epic stupid decissions done by all banks in my country.

But the thing isI have a ****ing crack on the screen and it has got bigger latelly

It SUCKS BIGTIME

The problem is telegram and other apps sems to think that I want to swipe to the home screebn al them time so it zooms out to the home screen and that sucks.

But the wierd is that android version of telegram does not "zoom out" to home screen? Make me wonder if this is a bug in the OS and NOT cause of the screen issue?

Anyone seen this issue?

Also it only happens when 3G or Wifi is turned on.

Note I also noticed this on JollawevBrowser right now...

ajalkane 2020-05-01 06:08

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I have to use WhatsAop all the time on XA2, and haven't had such issue.

lantern 2020-05-05 16:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Is it possible to make opening Gallery open it in Images view?

pichlo 2020-05-07 06:24

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1567337)
Is it possible to make opening Gallery open it in Images view?

Yes. Open an image ;) (Seriously, though, it would be nice.)

peterleinchen 2020-05-07 07:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1567337)
Is it possible to make opening Gallery open it in Images view?

Yes, use file browser.
Yes, use cli with xdg-open path-to-image.

And no, gallery is gallery. It includes Photos, Videos, Screenshots.
This could be an optional feature in settings (which we will soon/never see).

pichlo 2020-05-07 08:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1567355)
And no, gallery is gallery. It includes Photos, Videos, Screenshots.

That does not mean it could not open in an image view first.
As an optional feature it would be nice to have.

peterleinchen 2020-05-07 13:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1567360)
That does not mean it could not open in an image view first.
As an optional feature it would be nice to have.

Me wants Video first! (not really but you see? :D)

nonsuch 2020-05-08 04:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1567368)
Me wants Video first! (not really but you see? :D)

I see, you just explained the meaning of "optional" :D

lantern 2020-05-22 12:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

dts: initial support for Xperia XQ-AU51/XQ-AU52
It is X10 II in Sony AOSP

Nekron 2020-05-23 10:32

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1567625)
It is X10 II in Sony AOSP

Link: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/ker...6127dbaa90598e

Nekron 2020-05-23 10:42

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Sony Xperia 10 II would make a great successor for the current SailfishOS Xperia X lineup:

- X no longer maintained by base image / kernel, but otherwise a nice device with good build quality
- XA2 was heavy and fat, fingerprint reader on the wrong position (YMMV)
- X10 I has too small battery for 6'' and no bezel on the bottom which leads to occasional taps

There are a lot of goodies in the new phone like water resistance, OLED display (low power screen here we come), a bezel on the bottom, 3600 mAh battery, 128 GB internal storage, you name it.

This could be a keeper if SailfishOS would be officially supported by Jolla.

N77 2020-05-23 14:45

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
With the summer around the corner it makes me wonder where would I keep a 16cm phone when I go out...:confused: No short pants have pockets as deep as that :o

Jolla should have kept support to X (X compact as community port). I had to buy XA2(which is inferior to X) for just a single app. Would be sooo much better to pay Jolla the extra cash for updated android support on the X.

In April Apple sold close to 1 million iPhone SE in China. If Sony could see the potential and come up with a compact device the size of X compact or XZ1 compact. Make the bezels as thin as possible while keeping front facing stereo speakers, use OLED, keep 3.5 jack. It will be the perfect sailfish device to use with one hand only.

lantern 2020-05-23 21:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
There were rumors of X5 II of 5.6'' screen.
But Jolla is reluctant to support high-end costly phones.

And I don't think they have means to fully support their high-end functions (camera, for example).

nikos523 2020-05-24 09:57

Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nekron (Post 1567642)
Sony Xperia 10 II would make a great successor for the current SailfishOS Xperia X lineup:

- X no longer maintained by base image / kernel, but otherwise a nice device with good build quality
- XA2 was heavy and fat, fingerprint reader on the wrong position (YMMV)
- X10 I has too small battery for 6'' and no bezel on the bottom which leads to occasional taps

There are a lot of goodies in the new phone like water resistance, OLED display (low power screen here we come), a bezel on the bottom, 3600 mAh battery, 128 GB internal storage, you name it.

This could be a keeper if SailfishOS would be officially supported by Jolla.


To be honest, I think the way they choose and support devices in general just doesn’t work.
When you don’t have enough recourses and your OS is still not ready, you focus all your energy on one device. You choose a successor every couple of years and you keep actively supporting the previous device for another couple of years.
This way you have the “latest and greatest” and just an older device to support (for each cycle).
How hard is this? When you spread yourself too thin trying to support much more devices than you can actually handle, you end up with mediocre results and no one is happy.

Pim 2020-05-24 10:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1567653)
You choose a successor every couple of years and you keep actively supporting the previous device for another couple of years.

Problem is that these devices tend to sell out (due to no longer being produced), so new buyers cannot get a new phone to run Sailfish on.

(The only alternative would be to buy two phones, one a spare.).

nikos523 2020-05-24 10:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pim (Post 1567654)
Problem is that these devices tend to sell out (due to no longer being produced), so new buyers cannot get a new phone to run Sailfish on.

(The only alternative would be to buy two phones, one a spare.).


That was just an example. You can have a new device every year, it’s not hard to support one new device and push updates for 2 older devices for example.

juiceme 2020-05-24 11:06

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
I think this is exactly what Jolla is doing. Supporting only a few devices, right? (Original Jolla sbj1 and XperiaX)
All the other ports are supported by community.

nikos523 2020-05-24 12:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1567657)
I think this is exactly what Jolla is doing. Supporting only a few devices, right? (Original Jolla sbj1 and XperiaX)
All the other ports are supported by community.


From their website:
“Sailfish X is currently available for Sony Xperia 10, Xperia 10 Plus, single and dual-SIM variants of XA2, Xperia XA2 Plus, Xperia XA2 Ultra, Xperia X, as well as Gemini PDA.”

N77 2020-05-24 15:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Jolla should have kept the support for Xperia X no matter what!

They can start supporting as many new devices they want. I dont care. But I payed 50 euro for android support on Xperia X and soon after that Jolla tells me: "sorry, get a new phone and pay us another 50 euro", which is ridiculous.

TMavica 2020-05-24 15:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Next device should be Xperia 10 II, or Xperia 10 II Plus

rob_kouw 2020-05-24 16:09

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
They still support X, don't they? It just happened that Android 4.4 became unusable for many apps. So indeed, I bought an XA2 and paid some money to Jolla, too. Works great, I'm happy with it. You could argue you deserved a discount, but I'm thinking: "Are they making enough money to keep on supporting new models for the community?"

I must say: threats from the outside are looming again. Can't use Android app c:geo anymore, probably Google Security Framework kicking in. I hope we can keep using the Android apps...

Jedibeeftrix 2020-05-24 17:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1567658)
From their website:
“Sailfish X is currently available for Sony Xperia 10, Xperia 10 Plus, single and dual-SIM variants of XA2, Xperia XA2 Plus, Xperia XA2 Ultra, Xperia X, as well as Gemini PDA.”

there has to be some expectation that if you're going to market support for [a] device then Jo Public has a reasonable expectation of being able to buy [a] device and have it work, no?

Jo: "I bought an XA2, why the rhubab doesn't it work with Sailfish? I paid £250 for this!

SFOS-masterrace: "You bought the 4413, you dummy. SFOS only works on the dual-sim 4493."

Jo: I live in Spain, i've just checked and they don't sell the 4493 here. That model is only available from ebay importers, not in store..."

SFOS-masterrace: "Not my problem, fella. RTFM next time, eh?"

Jedibeeftrix 2020-05-24 17:51

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1567661)
Next device should be Xperia 10 II, or Xperia 10 II Plus

i don't believe there is a plus this time around.

As a happy user of an XA2 Plus, very much looking forward to picking up an Xperia 10 ii on sale in Black Friday later this year.

nikos523 2020-05-24 21:37

Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1567664)
there has to be some expectation that if you're going to market support for [a] device then Jo Public has a reasonable expectation of being able to buy [a] device and have it work, no?

Jo: "I bought an XA2, why the rhubab doesn't it work with Sailfish? I paid £250 for this!

SFOS-masterrace: "You bought the 4413, you dummy. SFOS only works on the dual-sim 4493."

Jo: I live in Spain, i've just checked and they don't sell the 4493 here. That model is only available from ebay importers, not in store..."

SFOS-masterrace: "Not my problem, fella. RTFM next time, eh?"


Or they could talk again with Sony for example and sell some devices anywhere through their website, like dropshipping or something.

Anyway, my point is simple. How can you jump on the next device when you don’t even have everything working (and working good) on the previous one.

peterleinchen 2020-05-24 21:48

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by N77 (Post 1567660)
Jolla should have kept the support for Xperia X no matter what!

As already said: the X is still fully supported. As well as JollaC, Jolla1 and the tablet.

Quote:

They can start supporting as many new devices they want. I dont care. But I payed 50 euro for android support on Xperia X and soon after that Jolla tells me: "sorry, get a new phone and pay us another 50 euro", which is ridiculous.
This was clear from the beginning and in fact for the X even cannot be forced by Jolla due to the kernel limitation afaik.
It was never said, nor expected by me, that we will ever see any android upgrade. (I do hope for it for the next X series and maybe XA2s but that is just ...)

peterleinchen 2020-05-24 21:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1567661)
Next device should be Xperia 10 II, or Xperia 10 II Plus

If that is the only choice I need to stick with XA2 or bite the apple :mad: or switch elsewhere.
All companies have already recognized that not everybody likes to carry a tablet sized phone with him/her. And there are really nice and good "small" size phones out.
I am personally waiting for a liitle sister of Pro1 ......

peperjohnny 2020-05-25 06:30

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1567670)
This was clear from the beginning and in fact for the X even cannot be forced by Jolla due to the kernel limitation afaik.
It was never said, nor expected by me, that we will ever see any android upgrade. (I do hope for it for the next X series and maybe XA2s but that is just ...)

They were tentative at first with higher android version for the X, but after seeing that they would have to redo all the adaptation work, they said nothing will happen in this regard. Which is fair in my book as at start only a year of active support was promised.

atlochowski 2020-05-25 07:44

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by N77 (Post 1567644)
In April Apple sold close to 1 million iPhone SE in China. If Sony could see the potential and come up with a compact device the size of X compact or XZ1 compact. Make the bezels as thin as possible while keeping front facing stereo speakers, use OLED, keep 3.5 jack. It will be the perfect sailfish device to use with one hand only.

Not exactly what you wrote but close. There is a community port to Xperia XZ2 Compact made by Rinigus. XZ2 Compact is really compact and nice device.
He even made compass work which Jolla can't do for Xperia 10 for a long time.

suicidal_orange 2020-05-25 13:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1567673)
Not exactly what you wrote but close. There is a community port to Xperia XZ2 Compact made by Rinigus. XZ2 Compact is really compact and nice device.

I got excited for a moment having not heard of this before but this 'compact' is only slightly smaller than the Xperia X and, crucially, it has no headphone socket :(

lantern 2020-05-25 14:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_orange (Post 1567678)
I got excited for a moment having not heard of this before but this 'compact' is only slightly smaller than the Xperia X and, crucially, it has no headphone socket :(

It is not "slightly" smaller. It is significantly smaller.
Also X10 is easier to hold in hand than X. Round sides and almost 2mm less width.


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