Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Hi,

Nokia offers free maps for navigation for a family of gsm phones
http://europe.nokia.com/A4509295

http://europe.nokia.com/A4509362

What makes Nokia not to offer the same free NokiaMaps for Nokia 770/ Nokia 800 and to offer not-free Navicore product maps for navigation ?

What is a chance to use free NokiaMaps on Nokia 770 / Nokia 800 in near future ?

Maemo mapper makes Nokia 770/ Nokia 800 really hot product.
Nokia 770/ Nokia 800 is not GSM phone, has no camera, has slow processor,
has no built-in gps receiver,
has tricky mmc memory cards, built in mono speaker (Nokia 770) only
Outdoor WiFi is ok, but needs free hotspot access coverage.
Second-hand market value is about $100,
I see no manufacturer's support,
so why not to offer free NokiaMaps as already offered to a family of Nokia gsm phones ?

I don't like to feel as a second-category (lower- category) user of Nokia made product.

It's the developer of maemo mapper, who makes Nokia 770 still a hot product.
But to develop maemo mapper into real car navigation product
its developer deserves co-financing from business sector.

Individual donations can't finance his highly valuable and appreciated full-time work.

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed a day or two ago. The problem is that it's for a different os. Those products are for Nokia's Symbian os.

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Ok, thanks.
Different os is an issue.
But maps alone are still map tiles, image files.
Does it mean maps for symbian can't be for good for use by maemo mapper ?
Google maps, Google Earth images, tiles , were also not intended for tablett
but work fine.
Can't you extract map tiles only from free NokiaMaps and use by maemo mapper
not today but mayby next week ?.

What you see on a screen under symbian, debian, xp windows or another os
is still image file, map tile/s.

I don't ask you to extract map tiles from free NokiaMaps intended for symbian os, but what is a chance for Nokia to do that job for sad and unhappy users of Nokia 770 and Nokia 800 tabletts ?

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

One more reason I believe the next logical step for Maemo is to emulate S60 in some way. Nokia is treading softly around the interoperability of it's Nseries devices these days. If the N800 was truly an Nseries device, it would at least play video recorded on other Nseries devices right?

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Why don't we just request Nokia Maps port if we want it so badly. That would be a real killer app, atleast for them who have bluetooth gps receiver ;-). Yeah i know we have already Navicore but it's too expensive.

See this post: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/09/2...and-elephanta/

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

jmk, thanks to the link to my blog. ;)

However, note that the linked post refers to improvements in the "SDK and development platform". Nokia Maps is a bit off topic in this context.

I'd rather point to http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html (see "Proposing new features"). As recommended previously here in ITT, if you want maemo/Nokia do something, a good start is to go to maemo/Nokia and tell us. :)

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Nokia Maps and most other SatNav applications do not use map tiles, they use maps that are in a compressed format for easy route planning, and involve no images. This process is normally unique for each program to protect the copyright of the map owners to prevent map sharing.

To create such a program for any OS / Hardware takes a lot of time and money (plus paying the map owner a lot of money to license the maps) - to do this for free is very very rare. Nokia can only provide Nokia Maps for free as they hope a large number of users will buy the voice navigation on top. The alternative, and more conventional pricing model is to charge a set amount to each user - and this is what Navicore has done for the 770 / N800.

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Ok. You are right.
But routing has nothing to do with free NokiaMaps.
They are offered free at both for no-route and on-route options.
What they charge is a routing fee.
So it makes really no sense to assume Nokia hopes Nokia 770/ 800 users
won't buy the voice navigation or at a percenrtage much loower than owners of a family of Nokia phone products, NokiaMaps are already offered for free.

Are you aware of any market research study done in support of your assumptions ?
In contrary, I am sure, more Nokia 770/800 would be interested to pay for route service and use free NokiaMaps , gtting much more popular as a SatNav product than a product offered by Navicore.

So what makes Nokia to assume Nokia 770/800 users show interest in highquality satnav to a lesser extend than users of other Nokia products, free NokiaMaps are offered ?

Nokia 770/800 has a larger screen than gps phones and in my opinion
satvan with Nokia 770/800 should be a flag product offered by Nokia.

Ok.
And again.
So why Navicore is not ported to symbian and offered at fee to users of a family of gps/gsm phones , generating more profit than free NokiaMaps ?

Ok.
And finally.
I can buy another product by Nokia - gsm gps phone for use with free NokiaMaps and paid routing but I would prefer Nokia 770/800 for use
as a viewer to maps and navigation.

Is it possible (in near future) to have Nokia 770/800 to login into gsm gps enabled Nokia phone and act as a diplay to a remote gsm gps Nokia phone ?
I am aware of porting issues but would like to use free NokiaMaps and pay routing fee.

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ? Because Nokia maps business model is to sell routing information and turn by turn instructions downloaded from the cellular network while you are in your car. And the N800 does not have wifi access while you are in your car...


There's no such think as a free lunch (or map, in that case...).

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Navicore is available for Symbian...

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

sorry,
should read

why not to port Navicore to Debian/ N770/800

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Are you speaking in the name of Nokia ?

Nokia says exactly:
NokiaMaps are free, routing information is for fee.
Is Nokia 770/ 800 intended for work with bluetooth phone ?
Exactly. I can even see phone icon to make such connection.
So why not to port Navicore from Symbian to Debian to Nokia 770/800
and have free NokiaMaps for use on Nokia 770/800
and have still paid routing service as an option, already offered for a family of Nokia gsm phones ?

I don't ask for a free routing at Nokia 770/800.

Or in the case, free NokiaMaps don't come from Navicore,
prt NokiaMaps from Symbian Nokia to Debian Nokia 770/800 anyway and finally.

Not today, but mayby in near future.

If still a problem.
To have Nokia 780/800 to act as a virtual terminal to any Nokia phone running free NokiaMaps.
Not today, but in near future.

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Navicore is available for the 770 / N800...

Nokia Maps is not available, but that's Nokia's decision, not mine. The nearest equivalent of Nokia Maps is Maemo Mapper, which has more functionality, and is also free.

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Sorry for typo.
Meant porting Navicore from Symbian to Debian.
Or porting free NokiaMaps from Symbian to Debian.
Nokia 800/ 770 is still a powerful satnav device
and Nokia can still charge users routing fee as does for a family of Nokia phones.

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

It would be pretty nice I guess but as someone else said just use Maemomapper if you want a free map application. A smart2go port linux port might be a good idea still.
BTW you can pre-load maps from a PC using the Maploader tool with smart2go so its not tied to GPRS/Edge/3g downloads.

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Exactly.
I can pre-load maps from a PC using the Maploader tool with smart2go.
But it does work with some Symbian Nokia made phones only,
but not with Nokia 770/800 (Debian).
So finally,
please tell me how to watch (smart2go) on Nokia 770/800, acting as a virtual terminal connected to Nokia (Symbian) phone running free NokiaMaps ?
Can you port Nokia gsm phone screen to maemo mapper maps window ?

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

There is nothing available today to allow remote access / virtual terminal to a Symbian phone, so it can't be done.

I'm not sure what are you trying to achieve - maybe if you tell us what you want, we can suggest the best way of achieving it...

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

I am trying to achieve nothing.
Kindly asking only, why free NokiaMaps are not avaliable for Nokia 770/800.
Frankly speaking a one second lasting Google query for "virtual terminal" in Symbian gives a number of webpages

"
Linux : Screen Command

Description:
-Screen is a utility that allows you to run a shell application in a virtual terminal, giving you the ability to log out and return and still have terminal access to the application. When you log back into the shell, you can enter a command and the application will return. This is a great utility for running game servers remotely.
"
from
http://www.supershareware.com/softwa...-terminal.html
TSMobiles (Terminal Service for Mobiles) is excellent for remote accessing to the computer from Java powered phones and Symbian mobiles TSMobiles
TSMobiles (Terminal Service for Mobiles) is excellent for remote accessing to the computer from Java powered phones and Symbian mobiles. TSMobiles (Terminal Service for Mobiles) is excellent for remote accessing to the computer from Java powered...

Exactly what I mean.


But what I mean is remote virtual terminal, to port terminal from Symbian to Debian (from Nokia phone to Nokia 770/800)
It is possible/imposible/ now / in near future ?

symbian remote virtual terminal
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...al&btnG=Search

Can you develop any such application porting Symbian to Debian ?

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Because Nokia hasn't produced it - no one knows why (except Nokia), but it's simply not available.
Linux screen does nothing close to what you are asking for, and the rest are examples of client running on the Symbian platform, not servers allowing hosts on a Nokia Tablet to access the phone itself.

Yes, it might be possible, but no one has produced what you are asking for.

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

Ok. Thanks again.
But what about
Mobile Web Server by Nokia for Symbian phones ?
http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/mobile-web-server/
About

The software includes:

* A Symbian port of the Apache httpd web server
* A connectivity solution that enables HTTP traffic to a mobile device from the Internet.

Are we now one step closer to my intended solution
on how to test free NokiaMaps on Nokia 770/800 ?

Darius

Re: Why no free NokiaMaps for Nokia 800 ?
 

No, I am not speaking in the name of Nokia. I am just trying to point out that porting Nokia maps to maemo does not appear to make sense, businesswise. I don't think that many users are likely to use the N800 AND a phone in a car to get routing.

You are welcome to be of a different opinion, of course.