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dougr2024 2007-09-22 00:19

Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
I just got my N800 a few weeks ago and it really annoys me that that cool little pop-out webcam won't work with Skype or apparently any other N800-to-PC video chat software.

A couple of days ago, I contacted Nokia Technical Support, insisted on being escalated to a level 2 technician, then once I was there, insisted on talking to a supervisor or manager. I pressed hard that I'm certain I'm not the only one that wants VIDEO CHAT--usable, practical, actual, freakin' VIDEO CHAT--and not just between me and someone else who just happens to also own a Nokia N800.

...Of course, I got the runaround, even from this escalated level 2 supervisor. Basically, her stance was that it was up to the other companies (Skype, ICQ, etc.) to make their software work with the N800. Yeah, that makes sense--but it does not make sense that Nokia would just release this wonderful piece of hardware with a webcam that can't be used with anything other than other N800 users. I tried to suggest that a workaround might be for Nokia to create their own stripped down PC-compatible video chat software that would non-N800 users could download and at least then be able to do a video chat with n800 users. There must be tons of far-away relatives who would greatly appreciate that, even if they can't simply use their existing ICQ or Yahoo Messenger.

Bottom line from Nokia: she wouldn't release any info on whether or not Nokia has a plan for this, nor would she divulge any more information or help, other than to just repeat that it's up to other companies to develop software mods to work with the N800... That, and she came close to chastising me for not understanding that I was "asking for the hardware to do something that it wasn't designed for"... Now really, how much sense does that make? Basically, it's just a circular argument that is designed to frustrate me to the point I hang up in disgust--which is what I did.

Next I contacted Skype themselves, with the following request:

Quote:

When will Skype add Video to Skype for Nokia N800? I have an N800 and I have Skype on it--and I love it. But that web camera is there and I know there's enough CPU power in the N800 to do both audio and video (since the Google Talk on my N800 will do both, I'm sure Skype can pull it off to).

Please don't just give me a canned response to this. I really would like to know when Skype add video to the Skype version for the Nokia N800. Any estimated date? Do you need beta testers?
and here is their response:

Quote:

Hello Doug,

Thank you for contacting Skype Support.

The video calling feature is not available for Skype for Mobile at this time. This is primarily due to the high processing power needed for video encoding that current Mobile devices not possess.

We are aware that some devices already allow you to make video calls, e.g. via UMTS. However the requirements for video in Skype are higher due to the fact it has to work well also when making a video call to Skype for Windows or Mac

Best regards,
Skype Support
...Sheesh... will we never get this? It really irritates me that they haven't even done so much as develop even stuttering, postage-stamp size video. Heck, I would even accept something that looks like a fast sideshow presentation. After all, the video chat tool that comes with the N800 does work, if the other person has an N800.

Let's all really press Nokia and Skype to develop some software app that would allow the N800 to video chat to the PC (and Mac) worlds.

If anyone is interested, here is how I contacted Nokia: 1-888-NOKIA-2U (1-888-665-4228), ask to be connected to a level two support person

and here is how I contacted Skype: support@skype.net

Maybe if they get enough feedback from us, they will do something... or maybe some rogue programmer out there will develop a third-party, video-only applet that will work side-by-side Skype but will run completely outside of Skype. So fire up your Skype, get connected, then fire up the little video-only app so at least you can see something as you continue talking in Skype, like I said--even if it's just a little postage-sized video window.

dougr2024 2007-09-22 01:41

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Nokia also offered this really helpful advice: if I wanted to write a letter to ask them the same question I could asked over the phone, (!), I could send it to:

Nokia Mobile phone
4630 Woodland Corporate Blvd.
Suite 100
Tampa, FL 33614

But what's the point of that, since I got no where with the supervisor in 2nd level support?

unique311 2007-09-22 01:52

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dougr2024 (Post 77003)
I just got my N800 a few weeks ago and it really annoys me that that cool little pop-out webcam won't work with Skype or apparently any other N800-to-PC video chat software.

A couple of days ago, I contacted Nokia Technical Support, insisted on being escalated to a level 2 technician, then once I was there, insisted on talking to a supervisor or manager. I pressed hard that I'm certain I'm not the only one that wants VIDEO CHAT--usable, practical, actual, freakin' VIDEO CHAT--and not just between me and someone else who just happens to also own a Nokia N800.

...Of course, I got the runaround, even from this escalated level 2 supervisor. Basically, her stance was that it was up to the other companies (Skype, ICQ, etc.) to make their software work with the N800. Yeah, that makes sense--but it does not make sense that Nokia would just release this wonderful piece of hardware with a webcam that can't be used with anything other than other N800 users. I tried to suggest that a workaround might be for Nokia to create their own stripped down PC-compatible video chat software that would non-N800 users could download and at least then be able to do a video chat with n800 users. There must be tons of far-away relatives who would greatly appreciate that, even if they can't simply use their existing ICQ or Yahoo Messenger.

Bottom line from Nokia: she wouldn't release any info on whether or not Nokia has a plan for this, nor would she divulge any more information or help, other than to just repeat that it's up to other companies to develop software mods to work with the N800... That, and she came close to chastising me for not understanding that I was "asking for the hardware to do something that it wasn't designed for"... Now really, how much sense does that make? Basically, it's just a circular argument that is designed to frustrate me to the point I hang up in disgust--which is what I did.

Next I contacted Skype themselves, with the following request:



and here is their response:



...Sheesh... will we never get this? It really irritates me that they haven't even done so much as develop even stuttering, postage-stamp size video. Heck, I would even accept something that looks like a fast sideshow presentation. After all, the video chat tool that comes with the N800 does work, if the other person has an N800.

Let's all really press Nokia and Skype to develop some software app that would allow the N800 to video chat to the PC (and Mac) worlds.

If anyone is interested, here is how I contacted Nokia: 1-888-NOKIA-2U (1-888-665-4228), ask to be connected to a level two support person

and here is how I contacted Skype: support@skype.net

Maybe if they get enough feedback from us, they will do something... or maybe some rogue programmer out there will develop a third-party, video-only applet that will work side-by-side Skype but will run completely outside of Skype. So fire up your Skype, get connected, then fire up the little video-only app so at least you can see something as you continue talking in Skype, like I said--even if it's just a little postage-sized video window.



really sucks, that I purchase the danm thing because I thought chatting with individuals on the PC would be possible. Just to find out this will never happen.

At least we know gizmo is working on a this feature for the next release of gizmo for the N800...hopefully the next release.

azdarkirish 2007-09-22 04:33

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Hey Doug,
Thanks for the heads up regarding the webcam incomptibility issue with Skype! Have you tried Google Talk? Does it work with anyone using Google Talk only, or will it work with Yahoo Messenger or MSN friends too? Am thinking of getting the N800 on ebay or Amazon - used - as I can't justify the cost of full price. Overall, is it worth buying at reduced cost, or is it another flawed gizmo? Sounds like Nokia is weak on service! :mad: Thanks much! Peter

Jerome 2007-09-22 07:21

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Skype video is not supported on any mobile device either (Windows Mobile or symbian). A quick check shows that skype uses the on2 video codec, which is also used by macromedia flash. That codec is also supported on the N800, and we know the poor results when playing flash videos.

If Skype video was supported on the N800, the processor would not only have to decode video (which we already know it can barely do) but also to encode video (for the correspondent to watch). Encoding is much more processor intensive than decoding.

So: YES, the N800 does not have the processor power to do the job. Sorry.



As to N800 to PC video support on google talk (jabber), this is only dependent on someone porting the N800 codec for the PC. Obviously this codec is far simpler than the skype one, because the processor or DSP can run it both ways. I have not be able to find what this codec is, unfortunately. Nokia obviously have a working PC implementation, so they are in the best position to do that. Why they don't, I don't know.

zerojay 2007-09-22 12:00

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
They are working on a retooled version of the original PC software.

dougr2024 2007-09-22 15:58

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 77059)
They are working on a retooled version of the original PC software.

"They" who? Skype?

dougr2024 2007-09-23 06:52

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
A day or so, I sent the following to Skype:

Quote:

Could you just tell me this: is Skype working on adding that in, for the
N800? Or is it not possible to have video with Skype on the N800, due
to technical constraints?

I'd like to know you guys are working on it, but I'd also like to know
one way or another if it's possible or not possible.

So... does Skype have any plans on still trying to make video happen on
the N800?
..and their response, which I just got:

Quote:

Unfortunately, since our product isn't just made to work with your specific device, but needs to work with many different devices with different hardware configuration, then we can't optimize it to work with your device only to use your device's specific hardware acceleration to be able to use CPU power more efficiently to encode/decode video and audio simultaneously. That's the reason why video calling isn't supported with Skype for Mobile at the moment.
..So it doesn't look too promising, folks...

maxilogan 2007-09-23 16:50

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dougr2024 (Post 77083)
"They" who? Skype?

Nokia, they (TM) had an original N8002PC chat sw that worked so an so, and it appears they are working on improving /making it functional

richie 2007-09-23 17:54

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
I raised a feature request, though only 27 votes so far,

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1833

dougr2024 2007-09-23 20:30

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by azdarkirish (Post 77038)
Hey Doug,
Thanks for the heads up regarding the webcam incomptibility issue with Skype! Have you tried Google Talk? Does it work with anyone using Google Talk only, or will it work with Yahoo Messenger or MSN friends too? Am thinking of getting the N800 on ebay or Amazon - used - as I can't justify the cost of full price. Overall, is it worth buying at reduced cost, or is it another flawed gizmo? Sounds like Nokia is weak on service! :mad: Thanks much! Peter

Hi Peter:

I wouldn't turn anyone away from the N800 just because of the webcam issue. I definetly am glad I bought it! Even though it won't do video chat with anything on the PC, which includes Yahoo, MSN, or anything else that I've found.

Still though, you can still use it to "chat" via text or of course, Skype audio--and that's great, phenomenal, in fact, that this little device can do so much. Yeah, I love mine--but--if they put a webcam on it, then it annoys me that I can't do video too!

By the way, I believe there is some chat software (I think it's called GAIM or Pidgin) that is supposed to allow you to connect to almost any other chat software out there. I could be wrong about this, but check around, perhaps on maemo, org, for it and I think you'll like it. Again, no video, but almost universal text-chat.

Doug

ichmoimeyo 2007-09-27 03:49

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Gizmo: video now working between Internet Tablet & Desktops

cbarnett 2007-09-27 10:48

Re: Nokia / Skype VIDEO CHAT
 
Isn't the question really 'why doesn't the Google Talk PC client have video?'

I did a quick scan for Jabber video chat, but no joy.

Either way, that would seem to be the solution. Easier to get a Jabber plug-in done, than a CPU upgrade on the N800.

Note that Skype is soooo good because of their proprietary compression techniques. This requires CPU horsepower, and that's why we don't have it on the N800. To tell you the truth, I'd settle for a crap Skype video client.


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