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Dave999 2017-08-07 15:12

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by mscion (Post 1532203)
Maybe your space is too small...

Yeah, or the hands are possibly too small for big screen phones. :D

DrYak 2017-08-07 16:05

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by JohnHughes (Post 1532199)
But then how would you type Ć?

It happens that "Ć" neither exists in French nor in German, so the swiss keyboard doesn't officially have it (nor does the french azerty, by the way). That's why dead ' + C = Ç.

I suspect that in the language that use it (latin-alphabet slavic languages ?), that should be the reverse :
dead ' gives you that one and no dead key to type a cedilla.

(But I assumed the guy asking for a capital Ç was a french speaking guy, with a french keyboard and thus one of the various french language supporting layouts : swiss, french, etc.)

Hence also the whole concept of compose keys or alt+code point combo :
describe characters (using numbers or ASCII) that don't exist on your current keyboard.

Kabouik 2017-08-07 20:52

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by DrYak (Post 1532211)
(But I assumed the guy asking for a capital Ç was a french speaking guy, with a french keyboard and thus one of the various french language supporting layouts : swiss, french, etc.)

No, that was me but I did not ask for the Ç nor use French azerty, I'm using qwerty with an international layout just like you I think. :D

My point was, I'll go for a qwerty layout on Chen's phone because I'm already used to it, but I initially wanted to know if it will be possible in Sailfish to use dead keys and to customize them just like it is possible on desktop Linux and Windows (the keyboard will probably have less keys than a full-size keyboard so I will probably have to use workarounds for ` for instance). I don't know if Sailfish offers the same possibilities, but I'd like to use my native characters on a qwerty keyboard easily and without onscreen menu just like I do with my desktop OSes.

If it's possible, then qwerty may be suitable to more people as long as they don't care too much about what is written on the keys, and even a blank keyboard would work (but will require some practice). Of course that would still be a minority of those whose native layout may never happen as it was the case for the Moto Mod, but still a good news and some hope.

TheKit 2017-08-07 20:59

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1532222)
I don't know if Sailfish offers the same possibilities, but I'd like to use my native characters on a qwerty keyboard easily and without onscreen menu just like I do with my desktop OSes.

QtWayland has support for XKB layouts, which is used by SailfishOS. So the capabilities should be on par with X11 desktop, minus nice UI to configure this (manual layout file editing is probably neeeded if you want something non-standard).

Kabouik 2017-08-07 23:23

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by TheKit (Post 1532223)
QtWayland has support for XKB layouts, which is used by SailfishOS. So the capabilities should be on par with X11 desktop, minus nice UI to configure this (manual layout file editing is probably neeeded if you want something non-standard).

That'll be fine, I had to edit the configuration file on my Linux laptop too for some custom changes. I had no idea it was the same on Sailfish, but it's probably because so far there is no need for that since the bottleneck is the onscreen virtual keyboard. It is likely harder to customize that than the layout for an hardware keyboard. To be honest I did not investigate this when I got my tohkbd because I was still using azerty at the time, and the tohkbd was produced with that layout as well, so I had no need for a custom layout configuration.

fridlmue 2017-08-08 05:37

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
I would love to see the new device qith qi-carging. I still think this is the future of bringing power to a device :D

nh1402 2017-08-08 06:04

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by fridlmue (Post 1532233)
I would love to see the new device qith qi-carging. I still think this is the future of bringing power to a device :D

If it has a metal backplate then wireless charging is a no-go.

Dave999 2017-08-08 06:36

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
Wireless charging. Why? What does that bring to the table? Unless you can walkaround all over our planet earth with it while charging it gives no benefits at all. Or is it somehow more energy consumption effective?

I say wireless charging is scam...

Feathers McGraw 2017-08-08 07:01

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1532237)
Wireless charging. Why? What does that bring to the table?

Charging...!

Dave999 2017-08-08 08:25

Re: The new QWERTY device project
 
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1532240)
Charging...!

Well, do we have a standard or do I need 9 different chargers to different brands... ;)


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