But did you compare apples for apples, I meant the Sailfish port on the N5 Vs UT on N5. Or are you talking about Sailfish on your Jolla Vs UT on N5? Right, but that doesn't answer my Qn & it wasn't directed at you anyway. Was asking someone who's used both, what they're experience was/is like. Since when were you a programmer, where's some of your work?