Hello everybody,

I am new to this forum, so I would to says hello to everybody.

I am very attracted by the magnificient screen characteristics of the
Nokia 770. I bought one month ago a Dell x51v for its hardware
characteristics, even if a 3.7 inch size is not as I required.
My disappointment come from its screen in landscape mode.
As you can see from images of my x51v posted in a italian forum

(http://www.x50v.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=985&start=15)

you can understand my opinion.
My question is, does anybody can post photos of the 770 in
different angles so I can compare the screen of the 770 with
the one of the x51v? I think is a good reference since often
internet reviews from most popular magazines on the Internet
hides imperfections which are so evidents ...

Thank you.

Y.

Here at ITT, look at the section called 'Gallery'.

Search Google 'Images' for the words 'Nokia 770' then you will find over 3,000 pictures.

The Nokia 770 display is the best you'll find.

Well, no, actually, that's not the case....

I have both the 770 and the Zaurus SL-C3000, and the C3000 has a *much* clearer and consistently lit display.

Just look the user photos in the gallery - in most of them, you can see the substantial dimming and stage-light effect on the right hand side of the 770's display, as has been discussed here, and on other sites. Not to mention the moire and "sparkle" effect from the touch screen overlay.

The 770 is nicer than most PDA displays out there, but it's still substantially inferior to the CG displays used on the later model Zauruses. Enough that the difference is really, really noticable. It's really a shame - if Nokia had used a display with a better backlighting system, it would have been almost perfect.

- Rich

I think these details are being exagerated - either that, or there is a wider-than-usual quality gradient between 770 units, and I chanced upon a good one... The Nokia's screen definitely has a smaller viewing angle than those on the Sharp Zaurii (of which I also have one, a 760): if you look at the 770 sideways you will see the mentioned artefacts. But if you look at it straight on (as intended, probably) it is simply gorgeous (with crisp text, bright colours and deep black). For me, any such difference with the CG displays (the real record-setter being that on the non-clamshell Z6000) is more than offset by the size and resolution.
YMMV, of course.

There is apparently a wide variation in quality control in the 770's - I've already had to return one because of the horrible stage-lighting. My newest one is better, but still very noticable. I had to go through a bunch of boxes with the clerk until I found one that was reasonably acceptable.

You can't use the Z 760 as a comparison - as I said, the later model Zauruses have much better screens, so that would include the C1K,C3Ks, and the 6K. The screens on the 760's and 860's are nowhere near the same class.

But, to the original poster - just check out the user gallery. And pay particular notice to the right-hand side of many of the displays, to see if you can tolerate the dimming and stage-lights. You generally can't see the moire patterns and sparkle effects in the photos, but again, they're still noticable enough that many people have commented on them.

- Rich

I have seen nothing but praise everywhere I look for the Nokia display. My own experience is limited to the past weekend but I just don't see the point of using a product that costs more than double and is available only as an import to justify a view that the Nokia's display is not second-to-none - I think it is and this is the near-unanimous view according to everything I've read.

You may not see the point, but the devices are used by entirely separate markets - the clamshell Zauruses, are, for all intents and purposes, mini-laptops, while the 770 is more of something to keep next to the couch for impromptu browsing. Those are separate audiences, and each does well within it's target market.

I suspect that if you're seeing near-unanimous views that the 770 screen is second to none, it's because the people who are posting them simply don't know any better, because they haven't shelled out the bucks for a device with a truly good display. Seriously - can you honestly look at the user pics in the gallery, with their demonstrably uneven display and stage-lightning, and still assert that the 770 has the best screen? Even with multiple photographic examples from a wide variety of sources staring you in the face?

The 770 is just *so* close to being as good, particularly in regards to it's superior resolution, when a better backlight diffuser and better choice for the touchscreen layer would have put it over the top, that it's kind of sad Nokia didn't make the extra effort to do so.

Make no mistake - I like my 770 a lot, and it does fine as a couch-side browser. But I would have happily have paid $50 more for better display engineering.


- Rich

I have to concur with Remote User on this one. The display is great in terms of the cost to quality ratio, and that goes for the entire device features in my opinion. I was going to get a x51v late last year, but decided to hold off and see what new devices came out in 2006. I'm glad I did, the 770 is the first device I've seen that does more than I expected it to. It is true that there will possibly be some great new mobile devices that will vie for the current possition that the 770 is at in the months to come, but I think there will be few if any that will get it right.

My hope is that Nokia built the 770 at this particular price point and with the current design choices simply to test the waters, and see if the market for an internet tablet is truly there. If it does reasonably well, then perhaps they'll come out with a new model that includes, among other things:

1) More RAM. 64MB under Maemo is really, really cutting memory to the bone, especially if they do end up coming out with IM and VOIP clients, as promised - and especially when you consider that the IM client, at least, will normally be used by people with it always running in the background, and thus consuming resources. As it is now, we can see many complaints about people having the browser crash with just a couple of windows open, etc. RAM is cheap, cheap, cheap, and you can never have enough of it.

2) Redesigned case: There's just too little space between left side of the rocker pad and the case, when the case is on. A flip cover that rotated completely flat against the back would be ideal - it could also serve as a built-in stand, with an appropriate ratchet
mechanism.

3) A stylus silo that doesn't require me to jockey the case around just to get the stylus in and out.

4) Software: The ~ 4 days of standby time is just ridiculous. Nokia really needs to utilize a more effective standby system, especially for something that is explicity designed not to be tethered to a desk. It's kind of pointless to have something that I can leave next to my couch, when I need to carry it back to the charger so frequently.

5) An IMAP client that can't handle folders? Who thought THAT was a good idea?


The biggest problem I see is that the 770 gets really good reviews in the "geek press" - but the "mainstream" publications that Joe Consumer usually reads - PC Magazine, etc - are not as positive. And, realistically, Joe Consumer needs to be the one buying these things in droves, if there's any hope of there being more substantial follow-on products.


- Rich

Ah, yes. Very true on all points richm. I guess "hardcore geeks" such as ourselves may be the key to opening up the possibilities of the hardware through software, but the hardware maker has to present us with hardware that is suitable to the programing and testing environment that we are more accustomed to.

It would seem to me that we are spending more time complaining about how much memory the device doesn't have and less time working on ways to maximize the precious memory we do have. All of these ports of readily accessible Debian apps and games don't help us solve these problems, but merely postpone them for a while. Hopefully, it will allow enough time for Nokia and the Open Source development community to produce the neccessary optimised as well as original apps to satisfy the "mainstream" media and consumers.

We just need to start, that's all.