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A couple of days ago a talk show host here in Seattle was asserting that now that there is a Democrat in the White House we are less safe. He went on to say, I can't believe he said this, that Europeans want us to be less safe.
The hypocracy that often seems to be there as I see it , is that if right wingers really cared about our safety, wouldn't they be willing to get behind some reforms of the gun control laws? How about health care? How about homelessness or joblessness? How about an economy that is crumbling in around us?
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!
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Yet we operate this device for the most part perfectly safely. We take instruction in its use very seriously, and rightly so. We punish misuse severely, require registration of our use, and register each individual car to an owner who is responsible for it - in a national database. Each transaction, transfer of ownership, and modification to core functionality is tracked and regulated.
This is all a good thing, and allows for a huge percentage of a population in densely packed environments to cooperatively make use of their (mostly) individually owned vehicles.
So why does every gun-nut get their knickers in a twist if even 1% of these kind of rules are supposed to be applied for their favorite toy?
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All true.
(My emphasis)
That's not beyond dispute; some of us, myself included, find much of that both objectionable government interference and an insane waste of public resources...
In brief, the same reason the second amendment made it into the bill of rights, and one concerning horses, wagons, or carriages didn't. Two closely related reasons: Because oppressive governments are far more concerned with seizing instruments of violence than of transportation, and because they are more crucial to a successful revolution.
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Of course Dorey Mondsons job is to p*ss people off so the station can pay it's bills I suppose. I,personally, have been in a great mood feeling that we just may have a President now who actually cares about us instead of corporations ( especially oil corporations)
The hypocracy that often seems to be there as I see it , is that if right wingers really cared about our safety, wouldn't they be willing to get behind some reforms of the gun control laws? How about health care? How about homelessness or joblessness? How about an economy that is crumbling in around us?
So, the right wants to frame safety as meaning, what?, that since Obama has pledged to get us out of Iraq, when we do leave Iraq we will then be less safe? Or, Obama wants to actually talk to our enemies about our issues, so we are then less safe?
How about we frame the safety debate to include all the things that threaten our families? Gee, like the fact that gangs are starting to totally control some neighborhoods with the help of guns? Like the fact that my health insurance now costs our family about 10 percent of our total income. And I'm lucky if the insurance company keeps me for very long if they actually have to pay my bills for too long. How about polution? I guess we sort of brush that one under the rug, but it indirectly threatens our safety through our lungs and our water.
Can we just admit one thing? We are being manipulated by powerful money interests on all these things. They use their intelegence not to help us, but to line their own pockets. We were in Iraq because the oil companies thought they needed US power there. Gun companies want to protect their markets by saying that people, not guns kill people. The health care industry fears that nationalized health care would take away the cash cow they have, so they cynically bring out Hariet to say she would hate the single payer system because she would have to wait in line.
The right will say, oh we want small unregulated government so business and the economy can grow. Let some of the profits trickle down. They hate government until they need it to bail them out, right? Right now the auto companies are asking us for a bail out. But when we asked them, as a government to build smaller more fuel efficient or electric cars that was too much regulation.
Anyway, these things, I suppose are obvious to you all. ( or most) I just needed to say it to someone, thanks for reading it.
Neil
Last edited by sungrove; 2008-11-07 at 18:46. Reason: spelling fixes