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Thanks kojacker! Your post came just in time.

I have today a day off and had proudly released last night my third, and perhaps last, submission to this coding competition. Have now to polish my applications the next weekends... I have a big list with Ideas. But not enought time...

I will use the day now to install my SDK('s) again. I have currently a very messy system with the Nokia Qt SDK 1.0, a Qt SDK for Desktop applications and now MeeGo SDK 1.2. All with a seperate installed Qt Creator. I Hope I could get it working again soon the way I would like it. I want to play a bit with my Ideas for the MeeGo Tablet edition...

By the way, if somebody knows how to get a AnyCom Bluetooth stick working with MeeGo Tablet 1.2 Alpha Preview please let me know! I had a, in my opinion, good Idea for a very useful Tablet Application for my girlfriend. But sadly my Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t has no Bluetooth Module build in... So hint's are welcome. Sadly I have at the moment anyway not enought time and no clue how to write apllication to comunicate over bluetooth... but I will try to keep learning!
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Originally Posted by helex View Post
Thanks kojacker! Your post came just in time.
lol you're welcome!

I will use the day now to install my SDK('s) again. I have currently a very messy system with the Nokia Qt SDK 1.0, a Qt SDK for Desktop applications and now MeeGo SDK 1.2. All with a seperate installed Qt Creator. I Hope I could get it working again soon the way I would like it. I want to play a bit with my Ideas for the MeeGo Tablet edition...
Riiiight it does start getting messy. That's one of the reasons I asked in the last post about how devs targetting both Maemo and MeeGo have their dev machines setup. Mine is a bit of a mess just from installing various versions of the Maemo Qt SDK.

By the way, if somebody knows how to get a AnyCom Bluetooth stick working with MeeGo Tablet 1.2 Alpha Preview please let me know! I had a, in my opinion, good Idea for a very useful Tablet Application for my girlfriend. But sadly my Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t has no Bluetooth Module build in... So hint's are welcome. Sadly I have at the moment anyway not enought time and no clue how to write apllication to comunicate over bluetooth... but I will try to keep learning!
D'oh.. sounds like a driver issue, but can't help I'm afraid. Hopefully somebody will know. Forgot the IdeaPad S10-3t didnt come with Bluetooth, a bit of a strange ommission. It was a strange notebook in many ways, I couldn't get used to the trackpad and especially the right mouse button. When i installed Qt Creator onto it the windows were sized too big for the screen and i couldnt see any buttons at the bottom of dialogs to do anything Then it went to notebook heaven, much too soon. Still it was my first taste of MeeGo (1.0 back then) and i was grateful for it

Any more clues about your Bluetooth app idea? The Bluetooth dev Ive done with the N900 is to connect a BlueSmirf arduino module, and I read/write directly to a rfcomm socket which is first bound to the module. For application to application, I think Qt Mobility 1.2 has the Bluetooth API and atilla77 uploaded the final to Extras Dev this week - so take a look at that if you haven't already.
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Riiiight it does start getting messy. That's one of the reasons I asked in the last post about how devs targetting both Maemo and MeeGo have their dev machines setup. Mine is a bit of a mess just from installing various versions of the Maemo Qt SDK.
Yes, and sorry that I haven't answered your questions. I'm currently still searching myself for a answer and the best way this could work...
Ideally I would like to install only the Nokia Qt SDK 1.1 (including Maemo and the Desktop targets) and add to this installation only the MeeGo relevant parts...
I wonder why there isn't something like that. I thought I have seen something like that (a plugin) somewhere at meego.com several months ago...

Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
D'oh.. sounds like a driver issue, but can't help I'm afraid. Hopefully somebody will know. Forgot the IdeaPad S10-3t didnt come with Bluetooth, a bit of a strange ommission. It was a strange notebook in many ways, I couldn't get used to the trackpad and especially the right mouse button. When i installed Qt Creator onto it the windows were sized too big for the screen and i couldnt see any buttons at the bottom of dialogs to do anything Then it went to notebook heaven, much too soon. Still it was my first taste of MeeGo (1.0 back then) and i was grateful for it
Sad to hear that your IdeaPad is broken.
I still trying to getting in love with this device. I just ordered 2GB RAM at amazon this Wednesday. (only 21€ - just wow!) But yes, the screen resulution is sometimes a big problem.
A slot for a Bluetooth module is there inside the Lenovo. But it's empty... and my Anycom stick was not recognized at the first try. But I already don't know if there are the Bluetooth stack finished at the Tablet edition. So I thought I will try it again as soon as I'm ready to begin with this project.

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Any more clues about your Bluetooth app idea?
Hmm... yes, of course. Perhaps I have luck and someone will grab the idea and save me a lot of time.

The IdeaPad and all the MeeGo stuff has already totally messed up my schedule regarding the MeeGo Coding Competition. (Thanks again, zehjotkah )

I'm thinking about a gimp Plugin to bring the Toolpanel from gimp and several other tools and properties from the desktop to the MeeGo Tablet. So you have your Desktop PC for the Gimp Main Window, your Mouse to work on your Images and a MeeGo Tablet near your Keyboard or near your Monitor to tap and select the tools fast with your finger.



It's quite simple using a VNC client to bring the second Desktopmonitor to the touchscreen from the Lenovo IdeaPad (okay, currently only at Windows7 ) but this is anyway not a ideal solution. It's very slow and all buttons and sliders are not really touchscreenfriendly. I'm thinking about a adapted and fingerfriendly, fast UI created using Qt and send the commands and selections over Bluetooth to the Host Plugin at Gimp.
In my opinion this could really improve the workflow and how to work with gimp...

A bluetooth dashboard for gimp.

But currently only a Idea. One of severals...

Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
The Bluetooth dev Ive done with the N900 is to connect a BlueSmirf arduino module, and I read/write directly to a rfcomm socket which is first bound to the module. For application to application, I think Qt Mobility 1.2 has the Bluetooth API and atilla77 uploaded the final to Extras Dev this week - so take a look at that if you haven't already.
I had burned my fingers using Qt Mobility within PyQt last year. I failed at a early stage. Perhaps I should take a deep breath and give it a second try as soon as my thoughts are settled...

I'm currently anyway with other stuff very busy. Currently with repartitioning the IdeaPad... the next total mess.
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Hi everyone,

sorry in advance for potential delays in MeeGo Coding Competition Updates..
I'm currently in San Francisco at the MeeGo Conference and there is not always WiFi. The one from the Hotel is not even free^^

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Hmm... perhaps everyone is currently watching to San Francisco if not already there...

Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Riiiight it does start getting messy. That's one of the reasons I asked in the last post about how devs targetting both Maemo and MeeGo have their dev machines setup. Mine is a bit of a mess just from installing various versions of the Maemo Qt SDK.
Small update from me, kojacker. I had not that much time last weekend as I have expected. And because my Desktop is not as fast as my new, small Lenovo IdeaPad (yes, thats really sad), I got after several hours of waiting a more worse system as before. I'm currently only able to target Desktop, Maemo and the Simulator. Not MeeGo and the Debugger is not working at not a target. I'm only able to build the releases. I guess I have broken something while deinstalling, reinstalling. Perhaps I have overwritten somewhere something or he keept a old setting.

It needs several hours to reinstall all that stuff on my old desktop. So, if someone would like to help me (and kojacker) a little bit, please point me to a good step by step manual to put the MeeGo SDK on a system together with the Maemo and Desktop Targets (Windows and Linux) - no need for Symbian if it matters.

And a way to get the Qt Creater / Qt Designer only once on my system would be great!
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kojacker proposed that I should talk with Bob Duffy about the problems you have with the SDK, but I fail to see exactly how he can help.
There is the problem, that there are three different SDKs, right? Nokia, Intel and meego.com. Do you mean that?
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kojacker proposed that I should talk with Bob Duffy about the problems you have with the SDK, but I fail to see exactly how he can help.
There is the problem, that there are three different SDKs, right? Nokia, Intel and meego.com. Do you mean that?
Thanks for checking out my tweet Well im not exactly sure if Bob Duffy is the right man (apologies if he's the wrong person) but I mention 'and others' too He seems to be involved a lot with the App Labs, so I assume he has come across similar situations with developers from before. I think helex has explained quite well the same problems I was complaining about from the Meego Conf last year b0unc3 has also mentioned some issues with Qt Creator and rpms. Really it can be a pain in the butt to have a nice clean install of the Qt tools that will target Maemo, MeeGo, and other platforms like desktop.

Now I understand that Bob and his team are mainly dealing with developers who have just received a MeeGo device and a fresh install of the tools. But think about the old guys. The problem sometimes come when you try to install new components over old ones. Surely somebody has thought about a guide or a process that Maemo developers can follow so their machine is set up correctly, cleanly, and efficiently to target both Maemo and MeeGo devices? Ive had a quick look on the MeeGo developer subsite and cant find such a guide, but Im sure one of the guys at the App labs can point you to the right place.

It may be that the process is so simple that nobody has thought it necessary, but it would still be nice to have it. As you can see, there is some need A guide in simple steps for the current Maemo developer to integrate MeeGo target components painlessly into his current development machine setup. What Im asking if you can do for us, as you'll be in the App labs and hack space, is to take a few minutes to chat to the MeeGo SDK and Maemo developers you see there and ask how they set their development machines up.
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If I am writing a hangman helper (it helps you solve hangman puzzles), what category would it go under? System & Utilities, or Games?

Also, what exactly constitutes a beginner? This is my second real program for a mobile device that I have written, and I am definitely still learning how to do stuff. Should I submit it to the beginner category?
 
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If I am writing a hangman helper (it helps you solve hangman puzzles), what category would it go under? System & Utilities, or Games?

Also, what exactly constitutes a beginner? This is my second real program for a mobile device that I have written, and I am definitely still learning how to do stuff. Should I submit it to the beginner category?
Beginner: everyone developing for maemo or MeeGo the first time. No matter how many apps developed for other platforms before.

kojacker: thanks for clarification. Will talk with him.
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kojacker: thanks for clarification. Will talk with him.
Kojacker has said already everything. I would like to only add: Qt SDK 1.1 and 1.1.1 was a big win. Desktop and mobile targets together with Qt Creator in a single package.

I would love to see a small installer that adds only the MeeGo stuff and the targets to a fresh Qt SDK 1.1.1 installation without messing with the installation and putting a second Qt Creator / Designer installation on my Disk. Or the MeeGo SDK 1.2 should include the maemo stuff.

It feels very messy the current way. And because they hope the current maemo community will help to build up their new platform they should also include a as easy as possible way to migrate from the past to the future.
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