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SAABoy | # 4911 | 2011-06-12, 18:26 | Report

* a few moments of silence*

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*picks up pitchfork again*

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"off with his heeaadddd!!!!"

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viic | # 4912 | 2011-06-12, 18:48 | Report

Originally Posted by SAABoy View Post

* a few moments of silence*

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*picks up pitchfork again*

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"off with his heeaadddd!!!!"

we want his head...or maybe we want only this damn device

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Dave999 | # 4913 | 2011-06-12, 18:49 | Report

You are wrong. Mr Elop is badguy in the game so far.

First...

nokia has three legs(OSs) at the moment but none is really supported.

At them moment has nokia stock value reached very low limits.

At the moment has several thousand nokia employees left the company.

I whould say MR Elop is the bad guy today...

But might be a hero later on...I dont think anyone like him at the moment, except ballmer.

Stakeholders, users, employees...

mikecomputing | # 4914 | 2011-06-12, 18:51 | Report

Originally Posted by N9Us View Post

I don't really think Mr. Elop is the badguy in this game.

Look, N9 with hwkb was "canceled" because the software was not ready. If it were the way "old" NOKIA want, they would release N9 with hwkb beta software and zero support, so it would have the same luck as n900 if not worser because of shitty software.

Mr. Elop decided not to push n9 with hwkb and wait until the software is ready. It means he really cares about this device and want to make it not geekonly ****.

The Time is running, so they needed a new hardware, and as i said, they wanted it to be counsumerfriendly, nohwkb is a trend today and if it has this all new technologies we were talking about its not a big lost; so i think its not a bad decision not to have hwkb.

Why push WP7? As Elop said, they wanted a strong platform with strong partner in background. The main reason was, to create a new ecosystem (yes i know you cant hear this word anymore, but its a KEYword) to beat apple and android. They had a choice to use android as established platform, but then they would be just another sheep in the crowd. And google would tell them what to do. Not to forget android is a ****. Same as symbian, they could not go far with this os as primary platform.

So they looked for potential and "fast" opportunity to create a modern phone with awesome system and ecosystem (support, maps, store etc.). Alone they juts have not enough power and money to beat monsters like apple and google. Microsoft is a really good partner for this purpose because they have the same goal

Why not maemo 6 as primary plattform? 1. we have already WP7 released, maemo 6 is only to come, so no one knows how it will be and how the consumer will find it.
2. today it is stubit to put all you hopes and money in one device, no one knows how it be.

regardless to all **** you already said about WP7 its by far not a bad os, it just needs to be polished what MS already did with new update and more to come.

As i understood maemo 6 should be developed, tested, brought to consumer, updated, supported and made better along with WP7. And i think at the time, when they see maemo is way better then WP7 they will drop MS or will make the consumer to choose what os for they phone they would like to have.

Maemo is not going to die! NOKIA just need something today or they will die tomorrow!

Changes are always hard to make and to understand, but i think what Elop did was a right decision.

Sorry for my bad english.

Yes I have also read the article about "Maemo was not ready" and I did infact agree a bit. But after some days thinking I am not sure again. Its more like Elop try too hurt it all the way. Dont forget he is a fd. Microsoft and I have NEVER heard he talking good about opensource!

Fact is I do not trust him. I cant! there has been to many dissapointment lately in the new so called "strategy" now focus seems to be even more WP7 everywhere and that talk about "help improve WP even for other companys that using WP" that make me wanna puke!

I begining to think after 2011. MikroNokia will try to kill investments in Qt too.

I will buy the device but not because I trust that idiot. But because I think its good like in the N900 case.

And btw. N900 still is killing alot of crapy Andoid phones today IMHO.

And btw dont come say Wp7 is ready its just same garbage as always when Microsoft release something. Only thing they are good at is RIPOFF other OS and implement bugs and marketing to people who doesnt think and buy stuff cause it is cool and "my friend has the same then it must be good".

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N9Us | # 4915 | 2011-06-12, 19:01 | Report

Originally Posted by

nokia has three legs(OSs) at the moment but none is really supported.

At them moment has nokia stock value reached very low limits.

Stocks are just reaction to latest rumors and changes, no wonder they fell. It doesn't mean anything.

3 Os? What do you mean:
1. symbian? With no future because of outdated structure. And its should be suported till 2016.
2. Maemo? That maemo was not supported is not Elops fault, btw. HE started to develop maemo 6.
3. MeeGo? Forget about this, it was from beginning a shitty idea for nokia to drop maemo and start meego (by the way not Elops decision). Meego is the reason why maemo was dropped and not developed.

At the end of the day they stood there with no OS.

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mikecomputing | # 4916 | 2011-06-12, 19:14 | Report

Originally Posted by N9Us View Post

Stocks are just reaction to latest rumors and changes, no wonder they fell. It doesn't mean anything.

Latest rumors!??

its has gone down down and down since february. And you say it doesn't mean anything!?

Originally Posted by N9Us View Post

3 Os? What do you mean:
1. symbian? With no future because of outdated structure. And its should be suported till 2016.
2. Maemo? That maemo was not supported is not Elops fault, btw. HE started to develop maemo 6.
3. MeeGo? Forget about this, it was from beginning a shitty idea for nokia to drop maemo and start meego (by the way not Elops decision). Meego is the reason why maemo was dropped and not developed.

At the end of the day they stood there with no OS.

It maybe was a "shitty idea" go Meego.

But since when was Maemo6 dropped!? The plan was to release Maemo6 and make it "Meego compatible" then go forward wih next handset to be fully Meego compliant.

Then MrFlop came in and totally killed Meego and ofcourse Linux foundation and Intel got pissed and now Nokia is not even allow it to call Harmattan, Meego Compatible.

So dont come say MrFlop actually started Maemo6 development it was fully active 2010.

N9Us | # 4917 | 2011-06-12, 19:14 | Report

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post

Yes I have also read the article about "Maemo was not ready" and I did infact agree a bit. But after some days thinking I am not sure again.

I have seen meego 1.2 its by far not ready, it just sucks i was disapointed as i saw "how far" they come. i think they didn't do much for smartphones, again NOT Elops fault. The way it goes, maybe meeg 2.0 will be nearly usable.
Again, the idea to merge maemo and moblin was a fail and was not Elops decision.

Originally Posted by

Fact is I do not trust him.

Originally Posted by

I begining to think after 2011.

Yeah! you don't like him and you hate MS, ok but it doesn't mean he is bad and its a bad decision

And yeah, he try to push WP7 because he wants to make this ecosystem successful.

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mikecomputing | # 4918 | 2011-06-12, 19:24 | Report

Originally Posted by N9Us View Post

I have seen meego 1.2 its by far not ready, it just sucks i was disapointed as i saw "how far" they come. i think they didn't do much for smartphones, again NOT Elops fault. The way it goes, maybe meeg 2.0 will be nearly usable.
Again, the idea to merge maemo and moblin was a fail and was not Elops decision.

Oh cmon!? Since when was Meego 1.2 reference design from meego.org something companys like Nokia is using internally in Harmattan?

I guess you are those people who thinks the UI make the OS!? Its not, most of the backendstuff is in place especially in Harmattan and was planned to be merged back to Meego.org until MrFlop came in killed the plans.

But yes I agree some decisoons done in Meego was stupid.

But Meego.org is NOT something you just can take as referencehere and say "its not ready".

Cause no company working on Meego will use the reference UI anyway.

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qwazix | # 4919 | 2011-06-12, 19:26 | Report

He had an ecosystem already! And he killed it. He was selling more smartphones than anybody else, he had the most app downloads after apple, he had the best (and free) mapping solution, he had an advertising agency, and NFC to push digital money.

And even if it was the right decision to go WP, he should have announced it when he had a phone ready, not kill all symbian sales for a year.

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mikecomputing | # 4920 | 2011-06-12, 19:27 | Report

Originally Posted by N9Us View Post

I have seen meego 1.2 its by far not ready, it just sucks i was disapointed as i saw "how far" they come. i think they didn't do much for smartphones, again NOT Elops fault. The way it goes, maybe meeg 2.0 will be nearly usable.
Again, the idea to merge maemo and moblin was a fail and was not Elops decision.

Yeah! you don't like him and you hate MS, ok but it doesn't mean he is bad and its a bad decision

And yeah, he try to push WP7 because he wants to make this ecosystem successful.

What "ecosystem"!? They are in same shape as before== not ready. What is the diference go Wp7 and continute development using Qt on Symbian and MaemoHarmattan(and merge back to Meego)!?

Dont come say Wp7 "ecossystem" is readey cause it is NOT!

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