cfh11 | # 1331 | 2011-06-30, 22:39 | Report

were it a bug, the proper place to go would be bugs.meego.com. however, if you dont actually have the device in your hands i dont think it is appropriate to file a bug. keep in mind that the software is still in beta at this point as well.

marxian | # 1332 | 2011-06-30, 23:19 | Report

I believe this was Eflops preferred choice:

dansus | # 1333 | 2011-06-30, 23:39 | Report

Thats good to hear, i will be picking mine up soon.

FranzDages | # 1334 | 2011-06-30, 23:40 | Report

I'd be fine with this. Then, when I kill myself after listening to everyone complain about the later lack of support, I'd have something to be buried in

dansus | # 1335 | 2011-07-01, 00:02 | Report

Great presentation, just put the open box in a glass case in CPW or whatever big store is in your country, and people will be drooling over it.

On a side note, ive just realised theres a drop down menu, didnt see that before.
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danramos | # 1336 | 2011-07-01, 07:03 | Report

That might be because the fruit of that loom tends to support their products better--pre-purchase, purchase and post-purchase as well as their ecosystem, their maintenance (even if it's a rip-off, at least they WILL fix/replace your stuff instantly), their point-of-presence, etc. Nokia hasn't made a fractional attempt to do ANY of what Apple does--and I don't even like Apple but I can admire what they HAVE done right.

I would be surprised if they even recognized that Nokia made an N9.

Don't worry; don't buy it.

Let me pretend I'm someone from Nokia speaking to you, the American consumer:

No. Go away.

The iPhone itself isn't remarkable. Emulating it, competing with its hardware isn't actually all that hard anymore. The problem with Nokia emulating the hardware is that they failed to be BETTER in most regards, and failed in EVERY regards to the iPhone business itself--applications, support and point of presence with stores are all COMPLETELY botched at Nokia. It's not enough to just build a piece of plastic junk that makes phone calls and lacks the horsepower of most of its competitors AND lacks the FEATURES of most of its competitors. Insult to injury is how Nokia treats its customers and vendors, and how they lack the ability or will to do the rights things to keep their brand name looking good in the eyes of their consumers.

Rugoz | # 1337 | 2011-07-01, 08:42 | Report

The hardware tops that of the iphone, imo. Which does not seem to be that easy to do, because other manufacturers fail to do so. The OS and UI is a step up from iOS, what's missing though is functionality and apps. If the price is right, its going to be a good alternative. Pricing is key here.

jalyst | # 1338 | 2011-07-01, 10:03 | Report

Why is that? They dismantle plenty of brands other than Apple:
http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute
Just because sites like Engadget only ever link to iFixit's latest teardown of the iPod, doesn't mean they're rabid Apple only fanboys.

I wasn't referring to exactly "emulating" the hardware, or even software...
I was referring to offering a unique "overall feel/experience", a far less tangible thing than hardware/software, & something that Apple consistently does well.
Harmatten seems to on-balance offer excellent usability & "built-in" functionality, the latter of which -until recently- has been a sore point, even for iOS.

But since you're referring specifically to the hardware....
Yes it's true it should've been much stronger, as even though overall it looks slightly better than the iP4, the iP5 is almost certainly likely to surpass it.
And with the release of iOS5+iP5 possibly around the same time, it's going to be extremely hard to compete for mind-share, even if it's priced better.*
Not to mention the fact that it "seems" Nokia has no real plans for the platform, from an end-user perspective anyway!

It's too soon to write-off QT applications, you need to wait until final elements are rolled out in that regard, & people actually start buying more & more QT phones.
The framework's there to leverage everything that's dev'd in Meego/Symbian/S40/OSS user-land, or to easily port from other platforms etc.
A critical element would be if alien dalvik was available to N9 or Symbian phones,** but prior news was that Myriad has no intention to make it available for end-users

I don't see how point of presence w/stores is critical, it's more of a consolidation thing when you already have a strong hold on the market.
It doesn't make sense when your hold is minuscule or contracting...
Even if their marketshare were strong, a case can still be made for them not going down the "bricks & mortar" route ala Apple.

C'mon now, you know it's not reasonable to characterise it as that.
Most of it's actual hardware components are mediocre, but the way it's all put together is arguably 2nd-to-none right now.
Even some of the components are right up there:

(1) 1GB RAM:
Plenty of much higher specced phones have this, but not too many equally specced ones.
And harmatten by virtue of it's overall architecture is far better placed than any android device to make maximum use of it, whilst not compromising on UI/usability.
(2) Camera:
No phone in this form-factor comes close.
(3) Display:
It's actually as good (if not better) than some of it's higher-specced brethren, by virtue of augmentations Nokia's done to it.
Res. at it's current dimensions is already quite respectable...
Yes it could be larger & have an accompanying res. bump, but I personally don't want anything bigger than 4", so the only bump I'd want is res.

To name some...
Then there's there's the trump card, the whole OS/UX, which seemingly won't be given much of a chance by Nokia

Bit vague, not sure what you mean exactly here...
How have they treated customers/vendors?
How have they lacked ability/will to do the "right things" to keep their brand looking good?

I feel that they've been shocking in delivery time-after-time for the past 2+ years.
But personally I'm ready to give them a chance with the N9.
If they really are able to transfer all the best qualities of it to the WP7, then I'll be prepared to give them a shot there to.
But only of the end-game is to head back to their own "relatively open" software platform in the LT.
I'm not interest in a Nokia that's a glorified Windows OEM...

*Android devices already surpass it hw-wise in many ways, but android itself (barring the myriad of apps) seems notably inferior overall IMO.
So it's not so straight forward yet which is the most compelling buy IMO: top-end android with latest android OS, or N9 + harmatten goodness.
**I don't think it'd be possible for it to work on S40 phones, but I could be wrong.

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dtergens | # 1339 | 2011-07-01, 12:56 | Report

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...STRK:MESELX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-U...#ht_935wt_1141

Ministeri | # 1340 | 2011-07-01, 13:07 | Report

Please notice:

"This is a worldwide offer and I will guarantee free delivery of this phone anywhere in the world by the 19th of September or your money back!"

It's just probably either a scam or a way to "loan" money with 0% interest.