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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by Silvarum
i expected that the disinterested wouldnt open the thread and that those interested would. i didnt expect that the disinterested would open it, feel personally insulted and then reply to something they dont care about.
2. What did you expect in thread like this? Especially when it belongs in Off Topic, not in General.
heinious to post in general and not off topic though!
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by birdy
And I would expect that someone who has not been subjected to these threads before to react in this way.
i expected that the disinterested wouldnt open the thread and that those interested would. i didnt expect that the disinterested would open it, feel personally insulted and then reply to something they dont care about.
heinious to post in general and not off topic though!
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by misterc
And that's generally how we like it around here, "Just give us our hardware and leave us alone." I didn't come here for the "ecosystem"; I mostly came here for the free exchange of software ideas after Nokia supplied us with good hardware and a good OS. But as many like to point out, that doesn't seem good enough to run a company on. Quite frankly, I look at my n900 every day, and I still can't believe it exists.
didn't you forget something?
Flop said that MeeGo is a dead avenue, partly also by lack of third party software.
i don't think he cares about Maemo / MeeGo anymore.
or ever did, for that matter
but your commitment may help NOKIA's return to it, indeed
PS: how is it going w/ the N950?
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by daperl
got a 2nd one, just to be sure ¦-)
And that's generally how we like it around here, "Just give us our hardware and leave us alone." I didn't come here for the "ecosystem"; I mostly came here for the free exchange of software ideas after Nokia supplied us with good hardware and a good OS. But as many like to point out, that doesn't seem good enough to run a company on. Quite frankly, I look at my n900 every day, and I still can't believe it exists.
Originally Posted by daperl
started to ponder using one as a test device for a couple developments for Fremantle, but a tad too busy with other things right now to download the dev environment & start w/ that...
I am committed, but sadly I'm just another mercenary FOSS guy; it takes a village.
Originally Posted by daperl
zehjotkah already gotten his, but he is in Germany, indeed...
As far as I know, no one in the U.S. has received theirs yet, me included. But they've been trickling in elsewhere.
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by misterc
Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.
got a 2nd one, just to be sure ¦-)
started to ponder using one as a test device for a couple developments for Fremantle, but a tad too busy with other things right now to download the dev environment & start w/ that...
And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan...
zehjotkah already gotten his, but he is in Germany, indeed...
Originally Posted by fcrochik
I sent an email to DDP yesterday and just got a reply saying that they would ship "by tomorrow".... BTW, I am is US and have ordered on the 8th.
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by daperl
This is fantastic! Now that there is an elite few who actually possess an N950, they can spend their time porting and hacking software onto it without having to worry about it being run by pesky ignorant users!
Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.
Click on the link in my signature, and like the force, the SDK will be with you. Always. And I still do plenty of prototyping in Python. Except for some very minor Hildon issues, the Qt Python bindings are better than the Gtk ones, IMO.
And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan...
And that's his 2nd one, I think. But here's a promising quote:
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by vi_
See, dreams can come true. I think I'll open a bottle of champagne tonight.
This is fantastic! Now that there is an elite few who actually possess an N950, they can spend their time porting and hacking software onto it without having to worry about it being run by pesky ignorant users!
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by ysss
Or if the geek cherishes the precious geek smugness of understanding a complex device that simple Joe Public cannot/will not, above all else.
Moreover, a geek would (and should!) also take into account how much tweaking and maintenance would the phone need to satisfy the user.
This has direct impact on how much work the geek will have to do for the user, the user's dependency on the geek, and the overall satisfaction of said end user.
Unless the geek has ulterior motives (ahem), or is somewhat ignorant (ahum), I think most geeks will think twice before recommending the n900 to an unsuspecting Joe Public.
I've read numerous accounts where experienced users here have recommended other types of smartphones to their 'follower' due to the reasons stated above.
It's always laughable when people imply that something cannot be simple in order to be satisfactory to geeks, or has to be mutually exclusive from a phone that is easy to use and intuitive for Joe Public. I don't see why geeks would not want something that is both easy to use for as many people as possible, while also allowing them to do their geek things as they see fit, aside from maintaining geek street cred.
Of course options that accomplish both seem few and far between, so I get that. Seems like the N9 was going in the right direction but for all the usability excitement, I've seen the geek criticisms of what it lacks for them.
Not aimed at anyone in particular in this thread, but holding high the "it's too complex for you to understand, noob" achievement is a concept that continues to amuse me, and probably self-defeating in the long run if we're talking about consumers of any kind.
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by daperl
when you do gather your courage, le'me know; btdt
Two is better than one, and I'm in desperate need of a new screen digitizer, but I'm not sure I have the balls to take it apart until the n950 arrives.
in case you can't get the part any more, i have a spare one
Originally Posted by daperl
being a KDE fan boy of old (still running KDE 3.5.10 / Trinity port on openSUSE 11.3) i'd rather compile Qt stuff from source then use Gtk stuff
Click on the link in my signature, and like the force, the SDK will be with you. Always. And I still do plenty of prototyping in Python. Except for some very minor Hildon issues, the Qt Python bindings are better than the Gtk ones, IMO.
Originally Posted by daperl
already had MAD Developer installed once, but left if out when i did a "clean" install a few weeks ago; guess i'll give it another try on the 2nd device & see how some Qt source code compiles
And if you haven't tried a recent version of Qt Creator, you should. After installing MAD Developer on the device, one click, and BOOM, your application is packaged, loaded and running on your n900. Since I've switched from Gtk to Qt, I'm using scratchbox less and less, but I have the PR 1.3 SDK in an n900 chroot, so I can still rsync the source and continue developing. And packaging! I sure hope qole and Stskeeps can help make that happen for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan...
anyway, it not like elop really cares about nokia, he just wants his wp7 phone devices out to be carried by nokia brand.
all other brands COMBINED sales were just 1.6m Q1 sales for wp7.
even after sharing monumental 500m marketing with the xbox and kinect.