Could this indicate that Nokia is actually going down? Being split up? Nokian will invest in some part of the old Nokia. Or some dude at Nordea has seen Nokian stock going up and at the next line Nokia stock going down, and thought go for Nokian ?

Will be very intressting to see what happens when nokia announce and release its first series of win mobiles. I don't expect that is enough to give nocka value an extra push. The really must present good figures to hit a race. I don't see how the can can do in less than a year. until then the stock value will keep falling.

Any of those except the one about Nokia investing into old parts of Nokia.

Nordea analyst seeing NT as a good alternative to NOK is most likely just a funny coincidence. That's why I posted about it.


And here is why its a good alternative.

Nokian Renkaat(Nokia Tyres) has had nothing to do with Nokia for long time.
Like Rauha already posted above Nokia Tyres has been one of the best performing companies in OMXH for the past 10 months. They have been going aggressively for new markets and their cash situation is very good.

Yes, soon they can afford to buy Nokia. Then they will ship the Nokia House HQ back to the town of Nokia and start making tyres that will autopilot cars with Ovi Maps. Elop will be relegated into new role as managing Windows Servers and making tutorial courses for Office 2010.

Here is an article about blogger influence on Nokia share price and Eldar's not so positive opinion about Nokia's WP7 phone.



Bloggers increasingly influence Nokia's share price

Nokia’s share price is increasingly affected by bloggers writing about the company’s new products. The company has been particularly exasperated by one well-known Russian blogger, whose criticisms have spread around the world. Nokia has now requested that the Russian authorities investigate the man. YLE met him in Moscow.

The internationally renowned Russian telecommunications analyst and blogger Eldar Murtazin has often published information about Nokia products and services ahead of their official launch. Nokia has made its displeasure clear.

”The company’s representatives have officially notified me that I am now enemy number one,” Murtazin told YLE.

Murtaz claims that leaks of confidential information have only increased.

”Nokia’s new leadership is trying to change the company’s former corporate culture, and make it more American. This has provoked opposition. The employees’ former loyalty to the company has disappeared since Stephen Elop became CEO. The leaks stem from that. People no longer believe in what they are doing, and they do not want to do what they are told.”

'Betting on a dead horse'

Murtazin is familiar with Nokia’s Windows Phone handset prototypes, which he says don’t look to be different to Windows Phone 7 models on offer from competitors.

”It’s the same inside, it’s the same speed, the display is the same. There aren’t any differences. In practice we are getting exactly the same device.”

He is surprised that Nokia is now relying solely on Microsoft.

”It is limiting. Nokia discontinued the Symbian and Meego operating systems and is clinging to an outside system with a smaller market share. It is betting on a dead horse.”

Nokia: ‘rumours and speculation’

According to Murtazin, Nokia did not get any special treatment from Microsoft despite rumours of the partnership spreading since last February.

”We already know that in practice Nokia didn’t get anything at all. There is no chance of changing the display, they cannot add their own unique services. In practice Nokia’s Windows 7 phone is just Nokia’s own design. And that’s it.”

Murtaz believes Stephen Elop is leading Nokia towards a clear goal.

”He will create the conditions under which Nokia will no longer have any other option but to sell a part of the company to Microsoft.”

Nokia did not want to comment on Murtazin’s statements on Monday, claiming the comments are simply speculation and rumours. According to Nokia, Murtazin has a vivid imagination. Nokia also says that Murtazin is said to work as a consultant for competing mobile manufacturers, so cannot be said to be an independent, impartial analyst.


http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/...e_2731668.html - Translation source
http://areena.yle.fi/video/1311011822104 - Interview video in Finnish and Russian.

what is microsoft waiting for?

negotiations with EU?

nokia sold 88,5 million phones Q2(16,7 smartphones). That is great for all other vendors. Just not for nokia.

Apple paid nokia about 430 million Euro which was pretty much the same amount as nokia lost during Q2...492 million euro

Microsoft saved Apple's butt once with a 150 million USD cash injection. Apple saved Nokia butt this time with a 430 million Euro cash payment.

Funny how the people that seemingly the fans hate the most end up being the ones that help them out - be patents or just to keep the competition around. They saved Nokia's bottom line this quarter. Don't expect it in the next.

I love that the market don't really care about 500 million Euro loss stock value went up a notch.