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#21
Ok lets make this discussion more helpful.

I use the n800 and mplayer for videos.

I can watch divx, xvid, flv, avi files without encoding via mplayer.

Then compared to the browser in the n800 i havent seen any browser half as good as that. flash, ajax etc. Do you know of one mobile browser at 200$ which can do any of these??

Then the third party support which is absolutely free. unlke the winmobile apps.
Voip. show me one portable device which can do gtalk, yahoo, skype and even gizmo for video?

Okay show me any portable device with a 4.13 inch screen which fits in the palm of your hand for 200$.

And then 2 memory cards with a combined memory upto 32gb!!

The speakers are one of the best in a portable device and then there is fm radio and internet radio which by itself is worth more than anything.

Please for god's sake name any device which can do half of these things at that price point!!

We understand that the n800 has some issues like less memory and crashing apps for that price it is the best device i have ever had. It definitely is lot more worth than the 200$ it is selling for right now.
 
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#22
I use the n800 and mplayer for videos.
You could use a PDA and use Core Player for videos.

I can watch divx, xvid, flv, avi files without encoding via mplayer.
You could do the same with Core Player. Also, you still have to convert most files even with mPlayer. Since none of my iPod formatted videos, nor my Heroes Episodes (640 X 480) worked natively on my N800.

Then compared to the browser in the n800 i havent seen any browser half as good as that. flash, ajax etc. Do you know of one mobile browser at 200$ which can do any of these??
I don't need any of those things. But if you really want an answer, the Eee can do all of that as well.

Then the third party support which is absolutely free. unlke the winmobile apps.
Voip. show me one portable device which can do gtalk, yahoo, skype and even gizmo for video?
Windows Mobile has been able to do all of those for a while now... Windows Mobile has a larger homebrew community then Maemo does.

Okay show me any portable device with a 4.13 inch screen which fits in the palm of your hand for 200$.
PSP. Which actually has a 4.2in Screen. The hx4700 can be bought at 200$ as well, and its 4in.

And then 2 memory cards with a combined memory upto 32gb!!
Almost any modern PDA has a SD Card Slot AND a Compact Flash Slot. A Compact Flash Slot has 32GB memory sticks by itself...

The speakers are one of the best in a portable device and then there is fm radio and internet radio which by itself is worth more than anything.
PDA's have FM Radio, Internet Radio, AND Sirus. Which the N800 doesn't have. LOL @ Speakers are best in portable device.

Please for god's sake name any device which can do half of these things at that price point!!

We understand that the n800 has some issues like less memory and crashing apps for that price it is the best device i have ever had. It definitely is lot more worth than the 200$ it is selling for right now.
- PSP
- Asus Eee
- Any Modern PDA
- Sony Sylo
- Any Modern Smartphone

Now you answer my questions.

Can the Nokia N800 play any video without conversion?
Does the N800 have native AD2P and AVCRP support
Does the N800 have good, free PIM software?
Can the N800 be a phone?
Does the N800 have Compact Flash Slot?
Does the N800 have thousands of applications on it?
Does the N800 have a 620mhz Processor with GPU that can play Quake 3 and Call of Duty 2?
Does the N800 have an active community that have done the following
- Turn PDA into iPhone
- HTC Touch Software
- Full Speed Emulators (SNES, NES, Master System)
- Hundreds of free games
Does the N800 have a SDIO Slot can allows the following
- GPS
- Fingerprint Dector
- 4 Megapixel Camera
- iR Scanner
- Barcode Scanner
 
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#23
Yes the formats i mentioned there are directly playable without conversion and many more. The problem is that you already converted your media to .mp4 and .mp4 is not an industry standard. That is your mistake. You cant expect everyone to use .mp4 just because you converted them. generally when you download videos from the web they are mostly either xvid, avi, flv, divx etc. .mp4 may be given as an option but not the only one.

I used a2dp with avcrp with kaju on my n800. Now you tell me sub 200$ devices with a2dp and avcrp either natively or modded. I dont see any.

The n800 was never released as a mobile phone replacement. If you think so then it is definitely your fault. it is supposed to go along with your phone which nokia expects to have the pim functionality because that is where all the phone numbers will ultimately be used.

No it will never be a phone. Neither does the dell axim. how do you expect something to have a functionality which it was never intended to be??

32 gb is more than enough for a mobile device like the n800. then again please show me a sub 200$ with compact flash with support for more than 32 gb. I am actually ignorant here.

You may have thousands of apps but ultimately you would use only a few hundred which are useful to you. yeah those apps did not come overnight it took literally decades to port them. The n800 is just year now. Even winmo had very less apps initally. This happens with all platforms

Yeah it has a slow processor and ram but for a sub 200$ it is sufficient. Be practicalhere.

Yes it has an active community and you are right in it now. everything need time and patience.

Gps can be done with bluetooth far more practical than slots. it will have its on power and can be used when necesary like in a car.

You mentioned many devices below 200$ but the n800 is a device with all those devices combine with a price tag of 200$.

Now we can go on figting about these two. but please think practically for 200$ did any one else give such a package??

THe eepc is not a portable device please dont compare that to a n800.
 
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Yes the formats i mentioned there are directly playable without conversion and many more. The problem is that you already converted your media to .mp4 and .mp4 is not an industry standard. That is your mistake. You cant expect everyone to use .mp4 just because you converted them. generally when you download videos from the web they are mostly either xvid, avi, flv, divx etc. .mp4 may be given as an option but not the only one.
.mp4 is just a file extension. The codec is MPEG-4. Not to mention that it doesn't play my MPEG-2's nor DivX's. Also, MPEG-4 is standard. So thats hardly an excuse.

I used a2dp with avcrp with kaju on my n800. Now you tell me sub 200$ devices with a2dp and avcrp either natively or modded. I dont see any.
Liar, the n800 doesn't have AVCRP drivers, not to mention that Kagu media player doesn't even support AVCRP since I tried it.. only supports Kagu, thats only if you go to OS2007 (I don't like downgrading) and do alot of extra stuff. Again, most PDA's nowadays are sub 200 and they have A2DP and AVCRP. Heck, any PDA with Bluetooth supports both of those. The Haier MP3 plaer does as well. The Samsung YP Bluetooth does too.

The n800 was never released as a mobile phone replacement. If you think so then it is definitely your fault. it is supposed to go along with your phone which nokia expects to have the pim functionality because that is where all the phone numbers will ultimately be used.
I thought it was "open source". And the "community" would handle it? Even not taking in account for the native PIM software on all Windows Mobile devices, there are more then plenty Third Party offers. PDA's aren't mobile phones either by the way.

32 gb is more than enough for a mobile device like the n800. then again please show me a sub 200$ with compact flash with support for more than 32 gb. I am actually ignorant here.
The PDA I'm buying is only 150$... has Compact Flash Support for Class II, which maxium is FAT32 Maxium , so 32GB. In addition to a SDHC/SD/SDIO slot. Again, 150$.

You may have thousands of apps but ultimately you would use only a few hundred which are useful to you. yeah those apps did not come overnight it took literally decades to port them. The n800 is just year now. Even winmo had very less apps initally. This happens with all platforms
The N800 is a year old, but the N770 is 2 years old. Even if you take account for Windows Mobile 5 and 6 Apps, still way more apps in the same period of time. Just face it, more people have those, so there will be more apps. Heck, even the iPhone is getting more useful stuff.

LOl @ decades

Yeah it has a slow processor and ram but for a sub 200$ it is sufficient. Be practicalhere.
My 150$ PDA (Soon to be anyway) is 624mhz with 64mb of ram..... Compared to 330mhz and 32mb of ram with no usable GPU?

Gps can be done with bluetooth far more practical than slots. it will have its on power and can be used when necesary like in a car.
Uhm, a slot is more practical... just take it out or disable it when you aren't using it. It doesn't have to be on all of the time. Also, seperate power is just a waste of battery money.

Now we can go on figting about these two. but please think practically for 200$ did any one else give such a package??
150$ PDA w/ more stuff...? Besides, I'm not aruging about if the Axim 51v is better. I KNOW its better. I just need some info from people who have already it, or a direct comparasion to the N800.

THe eepc is not a portable device please dont compare that to a n800.
Its portable... not handheld, but its portable.
 
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#25
i played divx with mplayer. use the latest mplaye x22 or 23. why would u lie???
i could control my playlist with the controls of my bluettoth headset like seeking next track etc with the controls on my headset. i thought that was avcrp. if that was avcrp. please correct me if i am wrong. and as far as i know ur dell x51 also doesnt have A2dp.
yeah the samsung or haier may have a2dp but do they have such a gorgeous screen and web 2.0 web browser.
The idea is to show me a device which has most of the things i mentioned along with the A2dp.

And most of the prices for the dell are about 400 to 500 if not more. if you find a link for a brand new one please let me know. hell i will just buy one to see how it is better than the n800 and then give it to you free if it does things better than the n800.

well for you the eepc may be portable but for me portable means being able to fit one in my pocket.

okay i am going off to bed. so please dont wait for my reply to whatever you post.
 
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Good thread guys.

The Nokia N800 rules over the Dell Axim Pocket PCs. I owned many Dell PPCs and I know first hand where there weak points and strong points are. The N800 has more strong points than the X51V. The weaknesses in the Dells pointed out by others earlier in this thread are correct.

The way the WiFi connectivity is done on the Dells ( Windows mobile OS ) is simply horrible. I was always fooling around trying to connect in hotspots with the Dells, particularly where WEP was involved. The Nokia seemlessly connects to any WiFi cloud with ease.

The 624mhz Dell does have bluetooth also, but with Skype (using a bluletooth headset) there is too much number crunching going on for even the 624mhz cpu to keep up....all that encryption stuff and two radios (802.11 and BT) running just overwhelm the Intel CPU in the Dell. If you are going to use the Dell with Skype you will being doing so with a wired headset.

CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.

Music playback is excellent on both machines.

WiFi streaming Satellite Radio? I used to listen to XM Radio on the Dell via a third party website. It worked but was a sort of a kludge. On the N800 I listen to Sky.FM streams. If listening to sat. radio over the internet on your pocket device tops your list of needs, then the N800 isn't the machine for you today. If 'any' streaming music will do then Sky.FM or equiv. is there.

There was a quick button press on the Dell for voice memo, it was ergonomically superior to the N800, but with Meamo recorder, voice memos can be made on the Nokia device also. It isn't as instantaneous as on the Dell because you have to launch the app. via the touch screen on the N800, but it works. Also, you have to do a one time install of Maemo recorder (the Dell had it native). I don't see this a s a big deal. In fact, there are many things the Dell comes with standard that you need to add to the N800 after you buy it. That is part of the fun...picking and choosing what you want your N800 to have installed on it. The Windows Mobile is a huge trash barrel of apps. many of which I don't like or don't want to waste my storage with.

Used X51Vs typically sell on eBay for over $300. My N800 was brand new from Buy.com for $229 (less than that now) and the N800 is not a discontinued device like the Dell PPCs.

The N800 has some quirks..... the Dell Axim line had many many more quirks and bugs, some serious ones which caused battery draining unless you performed some clunky work around. Spend any significant time in the AximSite.com forums and you will learn.

Battery life of the N800 far exceeds that of the Dell even if you throttle down the Dell cpu to 400mhz (which was easy to do with the unit thru the OS). If you leave the Intel CPU running at 624mhz ( as I often chose to do ) you need to have multiple batteries to get thru the day, or stay tethered to a charger a large percent of the day.

The N800 is the better machine in most regards, and it will only get better in the months ahead. The Dell peaked a couple years ago, was buggy then and now, it will not improve at all. The Dells are very much on the downslope.

You should not disregard the matter of the two SD slots in the N800. The Dell storage capability cannot compare.

The N800 is the better choice today if one were to have to choose between the X51V and the Nokia in my opinion.

Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

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All tablets have 128MB of ram compared to the 32MB you claimed. Therefore your boast about 64MB of ram is nothing. Also bear in mind you can add 128MB as a swap partition giving you a total of 256MB of temp memory.
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There are NO 32GB compact flash cards on the market. The biggest is currently 16GB, same as full sized SD cards. Both support FAT32 @ 32GB, but it just isn't out yet. Even 16GB cards for both are pretty expensive.
 
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Originally Posted by xxM5xx View Post
CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.
Hm. Doesn't TCPMP address the Dell's full resolution? Sure, the N800 has a wider screen, but with video at a practical limit of 400x240, it's only slightly better than my 320x240 Archos PMA430 (it does make a substantial difference for widescreen videos).

I agree with your other points though.


Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

M5
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The Nokia N800 rules over the Dell Axim Pocket PCs. I owned many Dell PPCs and I know first hand where there weak points and strong points are. The N800 has more strong points than the X51V. The weaknesses in the Dells pointed out by others earlier in this thread are correct.
Such as?

The way the WiFi connectivity is done on the Dells ( Windows mobile OS ) is simply horrible. I was always fooling around trying to connect in hotspots with the Dells, particularly where WEP was involved. The Nokia seemlessly connects to any WiFi cloud with ease.
Yes, using the default drivers. If you install the Broadcom drivers, its as good as the N800.

The 624mhz Dell does have bluetooth also, but with Skype (using a bluletooth headset) there is too much number crunching going on for even the 624mhz cpu to keep up....all that encryption stuff and two radios (802.11 and BT) running just overwhelm the Intel CPU in the Dell. If you are going to use the Dell with Skype you will being doing so with a wired headset.
Unfair comparasion. Since you can't use a Bluetooth Headset on the N800 *at all*.

CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.
When has the N800 been capable of full 800 vs. 480, heck, even 640 X 480?

There was a quick button press on the Dell for voice memo, it was ergonomically superior to the N800, but with Meamo recorder, voice memos can be made on the Nokia device also. It isn't as instantaneous as on the Dell because you have to launch the app. via the touch screen on the N800, but it works. Also, you have to do a one time install of Maemo recorder (the Dell had it native). I don't see this a s a big deal. In fact, there are many things the Dell comes with standard that you need to add to the N800 after you buy it. That is part of the fun...picking and choosing what you want your N800 to have installed on it. The Windows Mobile is a huge trash barrel of apps. many of which I don't like or don't want to waste my storage with.
Maemo also has alot of pointless apps as well. Its the same with any OS. You possibly cannot like every application available on a OS. You can also "pick" a choose out of a BIGGER collection on the Windows Mobile PPC.

Used X51Vs typically sell on eBay for over $300. My N800 was brand new from Buy.com for $229 (less than that now) and the N800 is not a discontinued device like the Dell PPCs.
Mine is refurbished for 150$.

Battery life of the N800 far exceeds that of the Dell even if you throttle down the Dell cpu to 400mhz (which was easy to do with the unit thru the OS). If you leave the Intel CPU running at 624mhz ( as I often chose to do ) you need to have multiple batteries to get thru the day, or stay tethered to a charger a large percent of the day.
No, The Axim lasts 4 hours on a full charge with the default battery with WiFi on. The N800 only lasts about 3 and a half hours with full brightness as well. Windows Mobile 5 has better power saving tools. So this is incorrect. Battery life is better on Windows Mobile. Not to mention that there are more accesories and you can get a 3800mAh battery, which would TRIPLE the battery life for about 20$. Can't do that on N800. So your battery issue is irrelevant.

All tablets have 128MB of ram compared to the 32MB you claimed. Therefore your boast about 64MB of ram is nothing. Also bear in mind you can add 128MB as a swap partition giving you a total of 256MB of temp memory.
128 of ram and it still runs that slow? Wow... unefficient coding? You can have a 1GB swap (possibly more) on Windows Mobiles. So I guess 1.1GB of ram vs. 256?

There are NO 32GB compact flash cards on the market. The biggest is currently 16GB, same as full sized SD cards. Both support FAT32 @ 32GB, but it just isn't out yet. Even 16GB cards for both are pretty expensive.
Compact Flash > SD anyways. N800 doesn't support SDIO.

The N800 is the better machine in most regards, and it will only get better in the months ahead. The Dell peaked a couple years ago, was buggy then and now, it will not improve at all. The Dells are very much on the downslope.
How is it a better machine actually? From what I have seen, the Axim is very good, and still have unofficial support. Not to mention that Dell will support them until 08. The N800 have virtually nonexistent virtual support. How many official apps do you see? Compare to WM and you see.

The N800 is the better choice today if one were to have to choose between the X51V and the Nokia in my opinion.

Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

M5
Well of course. If you want to compare to a 2007/08 PDA. The modern PDA's would completely overkill the n800. Some have 256MB of ram, 800 x480 (Videos work perfectly), 700mhz, Bluetooth 2.0, gps, fingerprint detection, WM6. Wouldn't even be fair to compare. Besides, I want a x51v anyways.

I'll come back when the N900 is out and hopefully its better. There is a reason that WM Smartphones sells more then Nokia "Smartphones"
 
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