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ericsson | # 571 | 2011-07-22, 02:21 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

I'd still say the lesson hasn't been learned quite yet:

That's not saying that the N9 is the Nokia savior, it's not. But to take a potentially selling phone and limit its distribution and continue to push WP7 - I'd love to see real world numbers for interest in Nokia's WP7 future offerings - isn't a lesson learned.

I'd say a lesson learned would be to introduce a Mango phone sooner than later and see how well it sells. And start with a Plan B just in case - this "all-in" strategy has never worked for Nokia.

First Apple horror show and now Nokia horror show. Well, from a corporate point of view Elop (and the rest of Nokia administration) is a genius, or at least it is first class business handywork. They are in deep ****, far above their heads, still they manage to make money. Now, if they only were half as good making/renewing Symbian some 2-3 years ago, none of this would have happened, but that's another matter.

This means that the cooperation with MS isn't all that important as we might believe regarding Nokias survival. It means that the N9 will live on. It means S40 is the future. Nokia must have known where this was heading at least a year ago, and what we are seeing now is a masterpiece of cutting losses and simultaneously they are building the new future fighting off uncertainties along the way. But again, if they only were half as good fixing symbian some 2-3 years ago.

That is one way of looking at this, the positive way, the correct way. Looking forward to mid August (tablet), then September (N9) and Bada 2.0, October (S40+WP).

gerbick | # 572 | 2011-07-22, 02:25 | Report

I... think that you're actually being serious. Wow.

jo21 | # 573 | 2011-07-22, 02:58 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

I... think that you're actually being serious. Wow.

i think it was rauha that told me to stop arguing with him.

the guy its either too fanboy and stupid, or getting paid/works to spread crap.

gerbick | # 574 | 2011-07-22, 03:19 | Report

Originally Posted by jo21 View Post

i think it was rauha that told me to stop arguing with him.

the guy its either too fanboy and stupid, or getting paid/works to spread crap.

I'm not arguing with him at all. No need.

But it's rather rare that I turn 180 degrees and agree with a term I previously never believed in. Astroturfing works, even Ars Technica agrees...

Oh well.

Cue | # 575 | 2011-07-22, 03:59 | Report

Originally Posted by jo21 View Post

pfff let me name some microsoft partnerships.

SENDO
MOTOROLA
HTC
LG.

some microsoft failures, zune, windows mobile from pocket pc 2000 to windows mobile 6.5

nokia needs a miracle.

Don't forget Sony-Ericsson,

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fdd8908c-d...#axzz1SnqRxmNM

then they hit reality and saw that sales were not good and decided not to release any more Windows (insert new marketing name) phones.

ysss | # 576 | 2011-07-22, 04:06 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

I'm not arguing with him at all. No need.

But it's rather rare that I turn 180 degrees and agree with a term I previously never believed in. Astroturfing works, even Ars Technica agrees...

Oh well.

I read about that too, but it talks about 'pro' level astroturfing though... when it's done with some some marketing work (website, pamphlets, etc) masquerading as legitimate nonprofits and whatnot.

gerbick | # 577 | 2011-07-22, 04:17 | Report

Originally Posted by ysss View Post

I read about that too, but it talks about 'pro' level astroturfing though... when it's done with some some marketing work (website, pamphlets, etc) masquerading as legitimate nonprofits and whatnot.

That person's level of commitment is pretty damn "pro level" to me man.

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ysss | # 578 | 2011-07-22, 04:19 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

That person's level of commitment is pretty damn "pro level" to me man.

rofl!

i meant with pro-level marketing spending then the generated image would lend more credibility to the message.

he doesn't have much of that.

pe: moreover, what worked (against me) were those astroturfers with ambiguous names (Donated by people like you, Friends of xxx, and so forth)

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gerbick | # 579 | 2011-07-22, 04:25 | Report

Yeah... I was merely joshing. But I totally get what you meant the first time. I just have to state that it's rather entertaining now.

I read his posts in the voice of Brian Blessed trying to whisper.

abill_uk | # 580 | 2011-07-22, 05:15 | Report

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post

First Apple horror show and now Nokia horror show. Well, from a corporate point of view Elop (and the rest of Nokia administration) is a genius, or at least it is first class business handywork. They are in deep ****, far above their heads, still they manage to make money. Now, if they only were half as good making/renewing Symbian some 2-3 years ago, none of this would have happened, but that's another matter.

This means that the cooperation with MS isn't all that important as we might believe regarding Nokias survival. It means that the N9 will live on. It means S40 is the future. Nokia must have known where this was heading at least a year ago, and what we are seeing now is a masterpiece of cutting losses and simultaneously they are building the new future fighting off uncertainties along the way. But again, if they only were half as good fixing symbian some 2-3 years ago.

That is one way of looking at this, the positive way, the correct way. Looking forward to mid August (tablet), then September (N9) and Bada 2.0, October (S40+WP).

HEHEHEHE go for it my son go for it

PISS them ALL off with the truth

Last edited by abill_uk; 2011-07-22 at 05:19.