Anyway, I understand many of the folks here are open source junkies and tinkerers, but I think WP7 gets too much unnecessary flak. It seems quite promising imo. Misses some key features, but not enough for me to call it junk and all the other disparaging things people say here.
Android is a great OS, but a bugfest as I've come to notice with seemingly ALL google software, I've passed through quite a few, and they've all been troublesome. I currently use a Nexus S.
you may have a valid points about wp7 but I guess most of us getting pissed because they say this is the only os they will use on smartphones. I mean let people decide what to use dont they should not feed us what we shall use. Dont go same as pc market where you must buy Microsoft licens even if the first yo do is go formatting the disc and install Linux or some other OS.
just take android now Microsoft makes profit obn every sold android too...
you may have a valid points about wp7 but I guess most of us getting pissed because they say this is the only os they will use on smartphones. I mean let people decide what to use dont they should not feed us what we shall use. Dont go same as pc market where you must buy Microsoft licens even if the first yo do is go formatting the disc and install Linux or some other OS.
just take android now Microsoft makes profit obn every sold android too...
Yeah, I'm a bit upset about the ONLY OS thing. I will never understand why they can't keep pumping Meego as it is software, and build the hardware in parallel with WP7. It's silly and annoying. Somebody needs to ask Elop that questions. They would have Intel's monster money to push them too. Silly silly.
Carriers ARE in control, they forced NOKIA out of the US market in 2004 and NOKIA's absolutely disastrous figures for last quarter are because Elop has caused NOKIA to lose carrier support everywhere.
No, what Elop have done is exasperate the whiplashing that enthusiasts got from the Symbian/maemo/meego/GTK/Qt switcheroo by adding WP7 into the mix and refilling their servings of FUD. If USA had a sane market, the carriers would not be able to bully Nokia around.
Everything this guy says is the truth. Nokia ***ed up years before Elop even dreamed of being Nokia's CEO. We can only wait and see now if Elop drives the nail in the coffin with WP7 decision or does some kind of necromancy on the Nokia smartphones' corpses.
On the positive side. Microsoft NEEDS to make WP7 be good, they have banked a lot on its eventual success. That is good for customers.
In fact, I bet that it will drop their core share to something half of what it is today in just 1 year - that's called speculation, not fact. Mainly because Zune Marketplace isn't even in most of those places, so that means content isn't there. Now that ecosystem is starting to lack some bite - Microsoft's that is. They're finally testing in Australia now for WP7.
Yeay, if you have to rely on an 'ecosystem' but the handcuffs, err, ecosystem is not available in your country, you're fooked big time. (It's a bit the same with being forced to buy software in € than in $ based on your IP address - $49.95 is way better than 49.95€... hello Agnitum!)
I have a WP7 phone. Right now. Let me tell you this... it ain't ready for primetime. I've also played with build 7661 of Mango. Allow me to say that it brings some nice things to the table; still not ready for primetime.
Support Mango ringtone changes in any way? I could not believe that they * omitted such a feature that we are used to since, i dunno 2000? until i had the "honor" trying to 'fix' this on an HTC Mozart yesterday. After 4hrs i gave up trying to root it for installing custom ringtone changer. Not mentioning having to depend on crappy Zune sw too...
Stop this nonsense, please. Nokias smartphones today are Symbian. Except from the N8 and the rather niche-ish E6, Nokia is not competitive against Android or iPhone. That is the truth, and it has nothing to do with Elop.
Symbian was the best selling smart phone OS in every single quarter ever right up until Elop announced he was killing it, then it plummets off the scale and you think that's coincidence. Oh yes, that sounds entirely feasible.
As for competing with the iPhone, apart from the N8 NOKIA's Symbian phones are not designed to compete with the iPhone (or Samsung Galaxy or HTC Desire), my unlocked 5800 XM cost < 40% of my O2 locked iPhone, (in fact the 5800 offers more functionality than the iPhone but that's another debate). Due to the minimum hardware requirements of WP7 this is a sector NOKIA will not be able to compete in anymore. Symbian is great for the mid-tier where NOKIA could compete with the likes of the single-tasking bada on functionality or Android toting Chinese mobiles on hardware quality.
It's the N9 that would have been competing in the high value market and many reviewers who tried one stated it was the most exciting device NOKIA had produced in years, but Elop's going to kill that too. The media buzz around the N9 was killed off within 48 hours when Elop deliberately leaked a video of himself demonstrating the N9 hardware but running WP7. Who cares? Samsung already makes one of those and nobody gives a 8ugg3r.
Symbian was the best selling smart phone OS in every single quarter ever right up until Elop announced he was killing it, then it plummets off the scale and you think that's coincidence. Oh yes, that sounds entirely feasible.
As for competing with the iPhone, apart from the N8 NOKIA's Symbian phones are not designed to compete with the iPhone (or Samsung Galaxy or HTC Desire), my unlocked 5800 XM cost < 40% of my O2 locked iPhone, (in fact the 5800 offers more functionality than the iPhone but that's another debate). Due to the minimum hardware requirements of WP7 this is a sector NOKIA will not be able to compete in anymore. Symbian is great for the mid-tier where NOKIA could compete with the likes of the single-tasking bada on functionality or Android toting Chinese mobiles on hardware quality.
It's the N9 that would have been competing in the high value market and many reviewers who tried one stated it was the most exciting device NOKIA had produced in years, but Elop's going to kill that too. The media buzz around the N9 was killed off within 48 hours when Elop deliberately leaked a video of himself demonstrating the N9 hardware but running WP7. Who cares? Samsung already makes one of those and nobody gives a 8ugg3r.
I'm getting tired of refuting all idiots here (seriously I am), but anyway. The numbers are very clear: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...s-smartpho.php
What you see is the number of phones sent out by Nokia. A negative effect regarding sales from stores and operators will take 6-8 weeks. The top is at Q4 2010, this means that with the 6-8 weeks of lag, the real top was September-October 2010. That is when it started going down hill. Nokia knew this of course, they observe every thing going on in the market. From that time on, they "only" sold N8. Right now it seems that sales are going fast down-hill, but it is actually flattened according to Nokia. The worst loss is over. Meanwhile Android is still growing, so in relative terms (market share) Nokia will lose more. What the N9 and WP will do ramains to be seen.
