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#601
Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
yesterday i talked to the developer who made the competition.meetmeego.org site and he came up with the idea to host our own voting system (based on the same software as the maemo.org voting system).
i said that he should do it, if we won't get an answer from the council until today.
just wrote him an email. he said he could use the system for another project as well, so if the maemo.org system runs in the meantime it is no problem to use it and not the meetmeego.org one.
Thanks. I'm afraid that we have to go this way... could you ask dave again if he could do the last step for us if we provide all 9 instructions.txt, the sql files and the users.csv?

If we follow your plan B - all users intent to vote has to register first at meetmeego.org?

How to ensure that only members with a maemo or meego account before the competition started are voting?
How to prevent cheating?
 

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Thanks. I'm afraid that we have to go this way... could you ask dave again if he could do the last step for us if we provide all 9 instructions.txt, the sql files and the users.csv?
I'm sure he won't do it (give a cat fish or teach how to fish.)

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If we follow your plan B - all users intent to vote has to register first at meetmeego.org?
no

Originally Posted by Helmuth View Post
How to ensure that only members with a maemo or meego account before the competition started are voting?
How to prevent cheating?
It would be the same voting system as on the maemo.org servers, but only hosted on the meetmeego.org servers. No difference for the voter except the text in the URL bar.
Every member entitled to vote would get the email, too.
The system would just be hosted on our servers so we have access and our dev could set up the whole process.

Just got an email from Nokia:
They'd like to offer Nokia N9 devices but they want to connect it with some requirements.
The developers have to be registered at the Ovi Store as publishers and they have to submit their app to the Ovi Store.
I've just asked if the winners already have to be registered there and have submitted the app (not an option for us) or if they have to register and submit if they win and got the N9 for developing and testing.
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(give a cat fish or teach how to fish.)
If the cat died before it learned how to fish - who had won, the fish, the sailor?

"Get access to the server" - "here, the N900 was my first linux device, want to send every maemo.org member 9 eMails, need access to the server, will try to do it myself even without experience or background knowledge"

Which responsible Admin will gain such a user access? - I'm sure I don't need to ask myself Niels or somebody else if I could get access or not. I would need a lot of aluminium foil for a helmet and a expensive therapy if the answer yould be positive. I'm already very scared that you get the users.csv without much discussion!

Your plan B sounds good - perhaps we have no other choice. In my opinion there should have been more interest to keep this community alive - but perhaps I finally become only a nerd with strange thoughts in my old age.
 

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Sorry for my last post, perhaps I left this morning my bed with the wrong feet first... I'm today easily irritable...

Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
Just got an email from Nokia:
They'd like to offer Nokia N9 devices but they want to connect it with some requirements.
The developers have to be registered at the Ovi Store as publishers and they have to submit their app to the Ovi Store.
I've just asked if the winners already have to be registered there and have submitted the app (not an option for us) or if they have to register and submit if they win and got the N9 for developing and testing.
Not every member got a N950 - perhaps some developers need a little bit of time to promote it to the Ovi Store or to redevelop their N900 application for the N9. And since the membership is not free not everyone is registered to publish at the Ovi Store.
But I'm sure every developer is willing to do it if they get in return a Nokia N9 (64GB).
 

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Sorry for my last post, perhaps I left this morning my bed with the wrong feet first... I'm today easily irritable...
Don't worry. I feel similar. I simply don't understand the lack of support for the MeeGo Coding Competition. I just want that it ends soon, everyone is happy and a potential next coding competition is still a year away.

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Not every member got a N950 - perhaps some developers need a little bit of time to promote it to the Ovi Store or to redevelop their N900 application for the N9. And since the membership is not free not everyone is registered to publish at the Ovi Store.
But I'm sure every developer is willing to do it if they get in return a Nokia N9 (64GB).


Exactly my argument. We haven't talked about the memory size yet, though...
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Not every member got a N950 - perhaps some developers need a little bit of time to promote it to the Ovi Store or to redevelop their N900 application for the N9. And since the membership is not free not everyone is registered to publish at the Ovi Store.
But I'm sure every developer is willing to do it if they get in return a Nokia N9 (64GB).
It only cost me 1 Euro to register as a publisher. As it happens, I'm fairly close to being able to submit the Meego-Harmattan version of cuteTube to the Ovi Store.

I would like to take back anything bad that I said about the N9.

Hopefully, those without an N950 can receive the N9 before beginning work on submitting a Meego-Harmattan version to the Ovi Store. It will be difficult without a device, as QEMU is incredibly slow and frustrating to use for testing.
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Okay, the clear answer from Nokia (translated from German):

Everyone who could win a N9 MUST be registered as a publisher. And the app SHOULD have been submitted already. In some cases we can talk about if a N9 is absolutely necessary for porting.


So I'd suggest to submit all your apps. They haven't said that it HAVE to pass Ovi Q&A.
I'm not that satisfied with that answer, but I can't change anything and I'm happy that we at least have a 1st prize for each category. (Didn't looked very good some days ago because of Nokias WP7 strategy... How to tell your boss that you want money to support an OS which won't be sold in your country?)
I'll write an email to all who have submitted an app containing all the new info later today.
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Could you also post the untranslated, german answer?

Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
I'm not that satisfied with that answer, but I can't change anything and I'm happy that we at least have a 1st prize for each category.
I'm not sure if we could stick to this for the first prize?!

Not all participating applications work without any issues at a N9.
At example my Conky Layout Switcher won't work and because of this I can't submit it to the ovi store.

I have currently a developer account because of the N950. But I haven't released anything at ovi yet and thought until now I should use the community OBS system instead for open source projects.
I could publish at ovi without any problems, too. But I have currently nothing ready to publish.
I'm currently working on a N9 version for ClipMan but I still have some unsolved issues and because of some private changes not as much time as I want. I hope this will change again, soon. But I have currently only a N900 and a MeeGo Tablet version working. For the N9 I need the change the qml user interface to fit the design guidlines.

What if some N900 only related project got the first price, everyone says Congratulations! and in the end and after several weeks of email conversations Nokia says: "No, not our favoured project, we are sorry." - The first place would get nothing and the second a brand new Nokia N900.

Sorry Zehjotkah, I see a lot of trouble in the promise from Nokia. It could be a great additional possibillity to the MeeGo conference assured by Intel. Are there no alternatives from Intel IF the conference wouldn't happen?
If Intel only delay it until the end of 2012 everything would be fine, too. But who knows what happens within the next 12 monts...
Have you wrote qgil? He was very satisfied with last years competition.

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I'll write an email to all who have submitted an app containing all the new info later today.
Thanks for all your hard work. You will get a hug as soon as I meet you the first time!
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Could you also post the untranslated, german answer?
Alle die ein N9 bekommen, MÜSSEN als Publisher registriert sein. Und alle SOLLTEN Ihre App bereits eingestellt haben.
In Einzelfällen können wir darüber reden, wenn ein N9 fürs Porting unbedingt notwendig ist.

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Sorry zehjotkah, I see a lot of trouble in the promise from Nokia. It could be a great additional possibillity to the MeeGo conference assured by Intel.
There is no MeeGo conference assured by Intel. I doubt that there will be another MeeGo Conference organized by Intel.

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Have you wrote qgil? He was very satisfied with last years competition.
Quim asked me to do all the communication with Nokia Germany.

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This is the only offer Nokia will make. It's a "take it, or leave us alone" situation...
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When the winner has to be registered as OVI publisher? Does it have to be before voting, or can he/she register after knowing what the result is?
I think making this kind of requirement at this point of the contest is very bad, but I also realize that it is Nokia who is making the decision of who to give their N9s...
But what if someone who wins would refuse to port to N9? Would he/she get no prize at all?
 
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