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2011-12-05
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users like candies, they don't care about carrieriq, when carrieriq fails miserably, someone else will be there already, ie. google
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2011-12-05
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Originally Posted by longcat
very true, but with google you know you're giving away your privacy, and they don't sue you when you try to tell other people
users like candies, they don't care about carrieriq, when carrieriq fails miserably, someone else will be there already, ie. google
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2011-12-05
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Originally Posted by MINKIN2
There is also another aspect of CarrierIQ software on the phones:
Well it looks like things are about to heat up with a lawsuit and FTC Probe...
Link taken from a similar topic on Pre|Central
we do not know the source files of this spyware.
As software has errors we also do not know, which other threats (backdoors?) are opened by bugs of the CarrierIQ software which even CarrierIQ does not know!
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2011-12-05
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@ Barcelona
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Originally Posted by erendorn
The N9 contains lots of proprietary firmware and undocumented devices (such as the baseband), and those have access not only to the main memory, but also to the GPS, the microphone and a handful other "features" that would put your average government tracking device to shame.
Get the N9, install nemo. 100% no carrierIQ
If one suddenly has the urge to be paranoid, I suggest you buy a OpenMoko or do a la Stallman.
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2011-12-05
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Originally Posted by PMaff
I could not agree more, there is still a lot we don't know.
There is also another aspect of CarrierIQ software on the phones:
we do not know the source files of this spyware.
As software has errors we also do not know, which other threats (backdoors?) are opened by bugs of the CarrierIQ software which even CarrierIQ does not know!
Not sure how relevant this is mind... But I have come across a white paper which goes into the hypothetical uses and deployment of rootkits and data retrieval .pdf
The part I found especially interesting was the use of triggers from the "attacker" or in case of this topic the "carrier" where they use a telephone number dialled to the device to enable the rootkit. This got me thinking of the welcome text messages that carriers send you when you insert a new SIM into your phone... What if they act as the triggers instead?
It is certainly a good read though even if it is not related.
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2011-12-06
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This might be noteworthy.
Mark Pesce (An engineer who invented VRML) writes an article about CarrierIQ and how N9 is the most trustworthy and secure phone out right now.
Quote from the artice:
[Source](http://www.abc.net.au/technology/art...06/3384952.htm)
Mark Pesce (An engineer who invented VRML) writes an article about CarrierIQ and how N9 is the most trustworthy and secure phone out right now.
Quote from the artice:
Were I running a secure organization - like ASIO or the ADF - I would insist that my staff used the N9 for secure mobile communications. Were I in a profession that depended on my ability to keep secrets - the law, or medicine - I would insist my peers used N9s. The same holds true for businesses which need to keep commercial confidences. Only when things are open can they be secured. Open source is the only protection against prying eyes.
I'm holding onto my N9. Not only is a great mobile, it's the only mobile I've ever owned that I know I can trust. That means a lot now, and it will come to mean more, as we learn what kinds of mischief can be made with the secrets we fail to secure.
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2011-12-06
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Noteworthy indeed: think of the application of Kerckhoff's principle (or Shannon's, whatever) in a broader framework...
...Which again, is merely yet another way of saying that the use of 'black-box' (closed) systems, whether HW, SW, etcetera in the use of information storage/transfer/processing -- while not ensuring it *is* compromised -- absolutely DOES ensure one can never be positive it is NOT compromised.
It was said more eloquently in that article, so I'll just leave it at that.
~JMB
...Which again, is merely yet another way of saying that the use of 'black-box' (closed) systems, whether HW, SW, etcetera in the use of information storage/transfer/processing -- while not ensuring it *is* compromised -- absolutely DOES ensure one can never be positive it is NOT compromised.
It was said more eloquently in that article, so I'll just leave it at that.
~JMB
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2011-12-06
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Cool stuff, even though i trust Nokia a bit more then other evil corporations the N9 has lots of closed bits of software whose source code is as much private as Apple's or HTC's so his argument about transparancy is weak.
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2011-12-06
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Originally Posted by Daneel
Considering the technology exists to have virtually everything necessary to log/process/transmit every and anything one could possibly do on a phone/smart device at will on a single ASIC -- well, at the point we have to subject our phones to sophisticated scanning devices to ensure they were not pre-compromised/pre-rooted -- why, that would mean we no longer have anything more than the *illusion* of privacy -- and surely you *can't* be asserting that!
Cool stuff, even though i trust Nokia a bit more then other evil corporations the N9 has lots of closed bits of software whose source code is as much private as Apple's or HTC's so his argument about transparancy is weak.
<snnrrkkk>
Seriously, though: good points on either side, and I'm putting my foil hat back on, already...
~JMB
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2011-12-07
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We need a "CarrierIQ checker" app like Android 
I'm still afraid to buy this phone on contract from a carrier.
I'm still afraid to buy this phone on contract from a carrier.