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2007-12-23
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Hedgecore: Sorry, but I find that argument to be complete rot!
What kind of business plan limits your product's appeal to a much smaller market? If Nokia provided a good PIM suite, there would be people all over the world gleefully tossing out their old PDAs and buying Nokia tablets. I can see their approach as an oversight or a mistake, but not a cunning plan!!
Possibly their thought was that everybody has a cell phone with PIMs built-in, so no demand for apps on the tablet. If so, it's wrong! And the tablets can't be on-line all the time; there are planty of areas without wifi and cell phone data plans are quite expensive. PIM apps are desperately needed on these tablets to expand their market appeal.
What kind of business plan limits your product's appeal to a much smaller market? If Nokia provided a good PIM suite, there would be people all over the world gleefully tossing out their old PDAs and buying Nokia tablets. I can see their approach as an oversight or a mistake, but not a cunning plan!!
Possibly their thought was that everybody has a cell phone with PIMs built-in, so no demand for apps on the tablet. If so, it's wrong! And the tablets can't be on-line all the time; there are planty of areas without wifi and cell phone data plans are quite expensive. PIM apps are desperately needed on these tablets to expand their market appeal.
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2007-12-23
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I totally agree with you ArgentSilver. I don't know where Nokia's R&D had their head's when they didn't include a simple PIM. Don't get me wrong, I love my N810, but business's are in it for the Money. How many people want to carry 2 devices these days, cell phone and PDA? I think Nokia missed the boat on this one!!
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2007-12-23
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The real probability of why there isn't a built in PIM suite is the Nokia didn't want to pay to develop one. Probably a money/cost thing. They assumed that since it was easy to develop for the tablets (since they aren't locked down software wise) that others would jump in and fill this--let's all notice how crappy the email client that's built in is--basically they put out the minimal configuration they could.
The basic problem is no one has really jumped in and made programs that are very robust. Again, probably an economic thing since you won't really make money off of the programs easily. So unless we all scrape together some cash and get a programmer to build it we'll just have to wait until the ones that do exist slowly get better.
The basic problem is no one has really jumped in and made programs that are very robust. Again, probably an economic thing since you won't really make money off of the programs easily. So unless we all scrape together some cash and get a programmer to build it we'll just have to wait until the ones that do exist slowly get better.
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2007-12-23
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Originally Posted by sling
I complete agree. In terms of hardware, the n810 has everything I want and need, but I don't own one yet because it lacks both word processing and PIM software. I'm waiting both to see what alternative large-screen pocket-sized gadgets will be released in CES and to see what the various new OS 2008 apps will be before I make a final decision.
I totally agree with you ArgentSilver. I don't know where Nokia's R&D had their head's when they didn't include a simple PIM.
I'm still both shocked and deeply annoyed that Nokia would release a device with this (lovely) form factor and excellent hardware capabilities w/o either a good PIM suite or any sort of word processor.
At this point, my biggest hope for the n810 is that there will be a new Garnet VM that uses the full screen, so that I can rely upon the excellent Palm OS for most of my needs and would only have to rely on the (IMHO at least) exceptionally limited maemo OS for the web-browser and media player.
The problem with relying on a phone for the PIM suite is that a normal phone keyboard deeply sucks for data entry and management, and I have no desire to have to carry around both a phone with a qwerty keyboard & a NIT with a qwerty keyboard.
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2007-12-23
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Harknell, I can see your point of view, but Nokia has a large R&D group, so it wouldn't have been that difficult. Just look at all the phones they have the market world wide!! Sometimes I wonder why Nokia chose this path, 770, 800 and the N810. The sales aren't that great and it's a niche market.
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2007-12-23
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Originally Posted by harknell
You may be right about the money/cost thing. But if that was the reason, it's a very mistaken area in which to save, because it gives the tablets a major negative when people look to buy.
The real probability of why there isn't a built in PIM suite is the Nokia didn't want to pay to develop one. Probably a money/cost thing. They assumed that since it was easy to develop for the tablets (since they aren't locked down software wise) that others would jump in and fill this--let's all notice how crappy the email client that's built in is--basically they put out the minimal configuration they could.
The basic problem is no one has really jumped in and made programs that are very robust. Again, probably an economic thing since you won't really make money off of the programs easily. So unless we all scrape together some cash and get a programmer to build it we'll just have to wait until the ones that do exist slowly get better.
And unfortunately the community of developers for maemo seems to be too small to get it done on a voluntary basis (that's not a knock; developers got to earn a living!)
Right now it seems the best hope is the Garnet VM. If they chased out a couple of bugs I'd pay for that! But I don't know how actively they are working on it.
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2007-12-23
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my problems with garnet vm is that as far as for contacts , i dont want to have to click on garnet then click on contacts , i want it right on my desktop so one click and its open.... also , there are several palm apps that id love to use , as i still have an old sony clie around somewhere , but i dont want to have the whole palm interface up there with the little writing area and all.
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2007-12-23
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munky: You can leave the Garnet VM running all the time and just use the hardware home button to get back to the device desktop. Then you just click on the icon on the taskbar to get back in. However, I agree that a good native set of PIM apps would be better!
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2007-12-23
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Originally Posted by munky261
/usr/bin/gvm/gvm -a addr
my problems with garnet vm is that as far as for contacts , i dont want to have to click on garnet then click on contacts , i want it right on my desktop so one click and its open.... also , there are several palm apps that id love to use , as i still have an old sony clie around somewhere , but i dont want to have the whole palm interface up there with the little writing area and all.
I think you'll have to collapse the graffiti area yourself. There are options there but they don't seem to do anything yet.
Ultimately, you want this command line:
/usr/bin/gvm/gvm -a addr -O -f -q
For fullscreen, rotated, and QVGA scaling. You can make a .desktop file if you want (I did), but I found it to be a little crashy right now - at least with Datebk5.
I don't agree with the end result but I agree with their approach. They needed to carve a new niche and ensure there weren't any blurred lines or it'd be doomed. If it was too close to a PDA, PDAs would smite it. Too close to a phone, phones would smite it.
The N810 is the third step of five, I think once we get to step five we might see inherent PIM functionality as the product will have matured itself enough and "internet tablet" will have entered our collective psyche.
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