Oh, Palm. File them under "further running". I'd never got around liking the Treo 650. I'd never got around to being comfortable with Graffitti too. Maybe an US specific thing.
Btw the N7650 could install before the Treo.
You DO realize I pointed out the HANDSPRING TREO (LONG before there was a Palm Treo 650) there WAS a Handspring Treo 180--which pretty much came out about the same time as the Nokia N7650. That's without bringing up the Handspring Visor's wireless data cartridge modem back in 2000.. effectively making it more like today's smartphones (minus the voice) since most people seem to forget that their phones can ALSO make calls.
This is great news that WP is gaining traction. Stock will hit 10 in 2 years. buy it now
Nokia with Symbian had what? 90% or something of the smartphone market in China. Now that is reduced to zero as WP gets 10%. Better than nothing for sure, but hardly something that will increase stock prices many times over.
... most people seem to forget that their phones can ALSO make calls.
This. I keep seeing references to purchasing a phone, doing stuff with it that renders it no longer an usable phone - such at NITDroid - and then call it a day.
There is no way for any non-Android smartphone to snatch 7% of the market in two months in China for new sales. For the totality of the market, 7% is even ludicrous to consider (with estimated 300M+ smartphone owners 7% would make at least 21M, which is more than the amount of WP devices sold by all manufacturers world-wide since its inception). I cannot find Q112 stats for China atm. but even if we go with the data from Q411, you can see how large of a number is 7%.
In Q411 there were 32M smartphones sold in China (Canalys), 7% of that would be 2.24M. Further, the expected growth for the Chinese market for Q112 was 13% (Chinese New Year n all that) according to IDC, so one can estimate at least 36M smartphones sold in China in Q112, of which 7% would be 2.52M, which is almost the amount of WP phones sold world-wide by all manufacturers in Q112 according to Gartner. If you take into account that the world largest mobile carrier, China Mobile (~67% of Chinese subscribers), is not selling any WP devices atm. 7% for the WP would be crazy to even consider possible.
The claim that the WP is trumping over the iPhone on the Chinese market is also wishful thinking there are more than 15M iPhone users on China Mobile (which doesnt offer the iPhone, btw.) alone who are forced to use 2G and happily do it, still thats way more than 7% conjured by whoever gave that nonsensical estimate. Even with new sales taken into account only, there just is no way for that number to hold its own.
What might, and just might be possible is 7% of China Telecom (selling a couple of WPs including the Lumia 800c) new sales to be WP that would land it somewhere in the 300k-400k range which at least sounds achievable, unlike the original claim in all its grotesqueness.
Oh well, I guess the WP fans could use some 'good news', even if it bores little relation to reality - it works for religion just fine, and I swear to your favorite deity, the WP fans sometimes remind me more of an occult sect than of technophiles, under the assumption they are not being paid to spread the gospel of Metro and the second return of Microsoft, of course...
You DO realize I pointed out the HANDSPRING TREO (LONG before there was a Palm Treo 650) there WAS a Handspring Treo 180--which pretty much came out about the same time as the Nokia N7650. That's without bringing up the Handspring Visor's wireless data cartridge modem back in 2000.. effectively making it more like today's smartphones (minus the voice) since most people seem to forget that their phones can ALSO make calls.
You DO realize that Nokia had a device with installable apps, voice calls and even a 'full' web browser (quite limited for today's standards, but it still rendered HTML pages of the time) in 1998 - the famous Nokia 9110 - right? Further, in 2000 Nokia released the Nokia 9210 - the first Symbian Nokia phone starting the s80 line, I think, with a color screen, vastly improved web browsing, and all sorts of enhancements - I remember drooling over it when it appeared, but had to settle with the 7650 later on as the 9210 was a too damn expensive for my financial situation back then.
Nokia was quite ahead of the pack in pretty much every area, and they were restless, scared-to-petrification of Microsoft entering the mobile arena and rendering mobile manufacturers into cheap OEMs, or having the giants suffer the IBM fate, enough to push half of their earnings into Symbian development and forge deals with their arch enemies just to keep Microsoft out of the game. Oh, what an ironic fate awaited them just ten years in the future... From a company whose employees almost unanimously shared a deep hatred for Microsoft - of which even the most outlandish Linux zealots could be envious and which I have never seen in any other company/group/whatever - to proper, obedient and well trained Microsoft biaches...
So how do you conduct business that requires voice calls?
SIP or Jingle most of the time. If I'm somewhere where those are unavailable chances are I'm not able to talk anyway, in which case asynchronous communications rule ;-)
You DO realize that Nokia had a device with installable apps, voice calls and even a 'full' web browser (quite limited for today's standards, but it still rendered HTML pages of the time) in 1998 - the famous Nokia 9110 - right?
I did not realize that. Well said--and it makes it that much more of a shameful and tragic turn of events that Nokia would end up where they are today, then. Well played, Microsoft. Nokia's executives should be spit upon in public and ridiculed in shame for the obvious and overt bad decisions they've made to bring things to this point. The worst of which was to bring Elop onboard and then let Microsoft in the doors as their new masters.
Seriously