SD69 | # 91 | 2012-05-25, 07:14 | Report

I'm not. Either way is fine. I just don't want the maemo.org forum used as the application mechanism is all. My reasoning is that we've always used the wiki for such programs. And these two programs are not limited to maemo.org members.

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qwazix | # 92 | 2012-05-25, 07:18 | Report

That is perfectly fine by me. I just feel moving the program outside maemo.org is not to our benefit. The wiki is a very good solution imho.

qgil | # 93 | 2012-05-25, 08:02 | Report

Isn't someone registered at maemo.org (and developing applications for Harmattan with Qt 4 or Qt 5) a “community member”? If not, what else is needed?

SD69, in your second answers you say it's a preference of wiki vs forum, but your first answers seem to point somewhere else, unclear to me. I can please you better if I understand what is the problem you really are concerned about.

For instance, if the problem you see is having me (a Nokia representative and not a pure communty member, as you have put it previously) then fine, I have no problem delegating this task to someone else. Really, I have many other tasks in my ToDo and I'd welcome help. If the problem is another please let me know.

Anyway, I will wait for decisions and instructions from the council.

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SD69 | # 94 | 2012-05-25, 08:34 | Report

Anyone registered at maemo.org is a community member.

These devices are not reserved exclusively for "us" maemo.org members under these two programs, one of which explicitly says "other communities" may participate as well, as was said previously in the thread. (i'm not criticizing the programs at all you understand, just pointing this out.)

I am concerned about both.

niqt | # 95 | 2012-05-25, 09:19 | Report

I am interested in contributing to QT5 of n9/n950 (already int QT5 RI program), have i to write my data/info here?
Thanks

Estel | # 96 | 2012-05-25, 16:59 | Report

Hey, hey, wait a second. Qgil, please, do not move QT5 and Nokia Store program out of maemo.org. Things presented here by SD69, are his personal opinions - just like You're writing as Community member, not Nokia representative, most of the time - and not necessary view of whole Council.

We have internal meeting today, and we will straight this out, but, one thing is known for sure - maemo.org isn't (anymore?) related only to Fremantle devices.

For now, Council's point of view is that submitting applications for *any* category should be done via mailing list or other way, but *not* via a TMO thread. This *doesn't* mean, that there can't be thread announcing start and details of each category, here, on TMO.

If You want more details, wait up to 3 hours, but I can assure You, that no one want those 2 categories excluded from maemo.org. It would be absurd.

/Estel

qgil | # 97 | 2012-05-25, 18:23 | Report

No worries, I'll wait.

fwiw submissions for Nokia Store & Qt 5 candidates via mailing list sounds like the worst combination? Extra hassle for people to register and extra hassle for all subscribers receiving all the candidates + potential discussions.

That model might work though for the Community Awards since it makes sense that a community champion is subscribed to the maemo-community list and since it's the Council processing and deciding there isn't necessarily too much to discuss.

Submitting projects via wiki page is the best way to have all the information at sight. Complemented with a forum thread that can be followed discretely by whoever cares about the specific activity and can be fully ignored by all the rest.

I hope this proposal finds a balance between all the concerns.

vi_ | # 98 | 2012-05-25, 18:43 | Report

So, um...how do I get my N950 for being such an epic community contibutor?

Estel | # 99 | 2012-05-25, 19:14 | Report

qgil, it sounds fine. As a Council's chair, I've been granted right to speak here Council's behalf, and we already have common answer:

1. All four categories are welcome in maemo.org.

2. Coding Competition is organized already, by appropriate body.

3. QT5 and Nokia Store is organized by You (qgil), so it's up to You to decide best way (which, it seems, You've already did). If You use TMO, mailing list, Wiki or whatever, it's OK for Council.
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Honestly, I thing that it's mutually profitable for every party interested, to make QT5 and Nokia Store projects feel like home here. Additionally, Your approach by using wiki for submissions and thread on TMO for announcing/discussion/whatever is logical. I would also suggest announcing it officially on Community mailinglist - but it's up to You and You've probably thought about it already.
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As for Community Awards, it have been decided, that:

1. Receiving submissions will start at Monday, 28 May, 00:00 UTC. It will last for 3 weeks.

2. Self-submissions allowed, *only*, via community mailing list *only*. Submissions may contain rationale/"my life story with Maemo/whatever, but it's not required.

3. Submission must contain info, if someone is interested *only* in N950 or N9 (so, in case of not enough devices of preferred type, no prize), or will be satisfied by any type of prize.

4. Community Awards are granted for past deeds, so no future projects/promises, etc are took into account by Council.

5. People that received N950's in any form before (dev programs, etc) can't submit for / receive another one , but they *can* submit for N9.

6. Council will choose winners in it's discretion, in no more than a week time (so winners will be announced no more than 4 weeks after starting receiving submissions) - could be less.
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Soon, I'll post announcement, that will show itself in News, Planet Maemo, and as a Thread on TMO. It will be also announced via community mailing list, and IRC channel.

/Estel

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qgil | # 100 | 2012-05-25, 19:51 | Report

Great! Big Thank You Council.