ZogG | # 121 | 2012-06-17, 20:18 | Report

i sent ID and info, would like approval if it was received and not yet added or was lost on it's way (maybe sent to wrong email)

qgil | # 122 | 2012-06-17, 20:26 | Report

I got it, at 1:57am on a Sunday. And it's a sunny Summer Sunday today. You'll see the confirmation in the wiki page today or tomorrow.

ZogG | # 123 | 2012-06-17, 20:32 | Report

thanks, sorry for rush, i just wasn't sure if i sent it to right place and if i sent right data, as it took time to find id and than i was told i shouldn't send thru forum form and was given email, so i just wanted to be usre you got it, and you may add it whenever you would have time =)
thanks again, btw it's hot summer day here, i would say too hot =P

bibek | # 124 | 2012-06-18, 07:39 | Report

Some people are reporting that courier asked them to clear custom duties before they could receive the shipment.
Is it necessary for us? No free shipping as said?

DavyP | # 125 | 2012-06-18, 08:58 | Report

Regarding my accepted submission phoneME for Maemo - the open source JavaME virtual machine originally developed by Sun (now Oracle) which I ported to various problems including Maemo and MeeGo - I have some concerns with me being able to comply with the Nokia Terms and Conditions for publishing the app in the Nokia Store.

There are a bunch of technical requirements in the Nokia's T&C that are difficult to comply with as phoneME is not an end-user application but rather an enabling technology to run other applications (i.e. midlets). For example, I cannot guarantee that all passwords will be safely stored or that phoneME will not adversely affect the operation of a Target Device if the midlet running on top of phoneME is not properly designed and developed with security in mind. The T&C also seem to be incompatible with phoneME's original license, i.e. GPLv2.

I have send a request for clarification for these and other issues to Nokia Support last week, but have not yet received a reply. As the original code is owned by Oracle, I also got in touch with two (technical) people within Oracle who were involved in the phoneME project and who are familiar with my ports.

http://terrencebarr.wordpress.com/20...me-on-android/
https://blogs.oracle.com/hinkmond/en...me_advanced_to

Their feedback is that if I would go through Oracle legal to ask for permission to upload the port, that it would take a long time and in the end they will say no anyhow as the Nokia T&C is specifically not the GPLv2. They suggested asking Nokia for an exemption and provide a pointer to my website rather than publishing the actual build. They are OK with my putting all my builds and sources on my website, as I comply with the GPLv2 license.

I don't want anybody to end up in a bunch of legal discussions. My only motivation to apply for a N9 is to be able to reproduce issues reported by the community on a real device. So, I see three ways ahead now:
* Either Nokia is OK with the GPLv2 or with a pointer to my website (breaks the point of the Summer 2012 Device Program)
* Or I make my own simple front end application that downloads phoneME from my website (dirty hack)
* Or I retract my submission altogether.

Any feedback on how to proceed from here is much appreciated.

Best regards,
Davy

BluesLee | # 126 | 2012-06-18, 09:07 | Report

@qgil: I dropped you an email with my contact information (address etc). I was told that the user id is something like AID-xxxxxx and can be seen clicking on 'Developer account' on the right side when you login. Unfortunately, i am missing 'Developer account' there, my list ends with 'Discussion boards references'. I hope its okay as you have my username.

ajalkane | # 127 | 2012-06-18, 09:33 | Report

There is lots of GPL software on Nokia Store. Your application won't get rejected from Store for being GPL.

www.rzr.online.fr | # 128 | 2012-06-18, 09:48 | Report

I confirm redak is GPL-3 and no problem w/ that ...

dispite they dont provide the source if user ask for it ...

qwazix | # 129 | 2012-06-18, 09:53 | Report

My opinion is to submit it and see how it goes

My N950 is here. Let the hacking begin

DavyP | # 130 | 2012-06-18, 11:49 | Report

Thanks for the feedback.

It is more than just the GPLv2 license. There are some technical issues as well that are a bit more problematic for phoneME due to the nature of the application.

https://publish.ovi.com/account/terms_and_conditions

Section 5.2: While phoneME may not cause any problems by itself, some midlets running on top of it may behave stupid, and I do not want to be held accountable for it.

Section 5.4: Making a separate downloader application for phoneME from my website would violate this term

Section 6: I am OK with that as long as Nokia sticks to the terms of the GPLv2 license (which I doubt they will comply with)

Section 7.1: phoneME is a fairly complex piece of software with a large portion of the code owned and released under GPLv2 by Sun/Oracle, not by me. This is why I asked the Oracle guys about their opinion

Section 8: Nokia can modify whatever they want, but will they release the sources of the changes?

Section 16: phoneME is released without the classpath exception, so if somebody decides to package phoneME with his/her closed source midlet, they have to open source their app too.

Section 17.5: IANAL, but these terms seem to be in violation with the GPLv2 license

Section 17.6.5: phoneME is an enabling technology to run other applications which can impair the operation of your device.

Section 4.9: So, you all promise to respond to customers within five business days? I am already getting a lot of mails why some midlets do not work (basically because I do not support all JSRs, or bugs in the midlets themselves). I for sure cannot guarantee I will always respond to issues within this time period.

I don't want to sound paranoid, but I presume these T&C are there for a reason. Just submit and see what happens is not something that I would feel comfortable with. Also, the fact that there are many GPL applications in the store is not a solid reason.

Cheers,
Davy