gregoranderson | # 181 | 2012-06-28, 16:14 | Report

PAGGER!

This is like bairns fighting over Panini stickers. Grow up the lot of you. Nobody ever gets the silver-foiled Kevin Keegan sticker.

Infact ... a crumpled Willie Miller at best, found at the bottom of your satchel.

rcolistete | # 182 | 2012-06-28, 16:23 | Report

Do you really need an answer ?

Ok, I'll do it. MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan is an OS and needs to run on a hardware (Nokia N9 or N950). If the device (N9/N950) has the option of multibooting Android 2.3/4.0, this feature will :
- attract more users who sometimes really needs some Android softwares not available on Harmattan (Netflix, etc), so buying a N9 becomes a viable option;
- avoid Harmattan users to buy an Android smartphone to experiment Android OS, Android softwares, Android programming (there is Qt and Python for Android). So the Harmattan users have more money to buy/maintain Harmattan devices;
- afterall increase the N9/N950 user base.

Sorry but I see the "Community Awards" as part of Nokia "Summer'12 Device Program", which has some goals, including motivate the Maemo/MeeGo community and help reducing the list of missing softwares. Therefore more Harmattan activities : more sofwares, more community using Harmattan (including the 4 council members), etc.

Please don't cite Nokia Lumia here as possible prizes, it is nothing related to Maemo/MeeGo/Linux/Qt/decent mobile OS. I refused to participate on Nokia Lumia Device Program some months ago.

rcolistete | # 183 | 2012-06-28, 16:28 | Report

I don't want to fight or be inflammatory.

Dave999 | # 184 | 2012-06-28, 16:30 | Report

compare contributions is just ridicules! it can never be fair! Most thanks, most, downloads, most lines of code, most hours spent and no judges. That is the only way eliminate the conflict of interested and make it fair up to a standard.

woody14619 | # 185 | 2012-06-28, 16:57 | Report

Sorry, but even as blunt and transparent as I am, this is not true, for two reasons:

• Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true. Lots of people believe in everything from invisible pink unicorns to flying spagetti monsters. That doesn't make any of them true.
• The other is that just because something is true doesn't mean it's meant to be known publicly. In fact some things can be true until they are known publicly, at which point it's no longer true. (See below.)

I'll use this as an example. Suppose someone at Samsung told Council something in confidence, say about a future takeover of Nokia and revival of the Maemo line. (Not, this is not fact, it's fantasy...) That would be awesome for the community to know in advance, but something they probably would not at liberty to actually disclose publicly until it happened. Posting that information publicly could damage that deal or kill it. At a minimum, it would destroy any future chances at getting advanced information, even though it's "the truth".

There are times when discretion and privacy are important.

We've had people being very upset that they were casually referred to in a Council meeting in an off-hand (and probably off-color) joke. Imagine if the per-Council vote, on who voted for whom, were made public. Imagine if every person in the CA had their merits disclosed, and reasoning for which person was better for a CA award in the opinion of each Council member. Do you think that wouldn't result in a firestorm? Yet doing just that was needed in order to make sure our decisions were based on true information, and for us to share knowledge from different parts of the community (because none of us is an expert in all areas of the Community.).

Something on this topic but not said earlier on the closed thread, because I was away for the weekend:

Reality TV is not the real world. Citing "Dancing with the Stars" as a real-life voting system is like saying Matlock is how most court cases are handled. Simon Cowell can be a complete àss because he doesn't have to later interact with the people he's bad-mouthing. Nor is he trying to build and maintain a community that cooperates and gets things done. In one-off, one-shot, total time-wasting, BS shows, you can vote publicly and harshly, because you don't need to care if that vote or it's reasoning is damaging to the individual or the community.

In communities where everyone will continue to live and work together after a political schism, voting must be private. The only exception is if the community is small, open, and tolerant enough to accept differences and self-criticism without forming grudges, cliques, or inter-group discrimination. This community, like most around the globe, does not have that quality.

woody14619 | # 186 | 2012-06-28, 17:40 | Report

Nice that you cite your reasons, but frankly, if someone is buying an N9 to run Android on it they're not generally going to care about or use Harmattan. If someone buys an N900 to work on Nemo, how does that help Fremantle, or CSSU, or... It may help sales of the device; but it generally doesn't help the Fremantle community. I think even the Harmattan community wouldn't agree on this point in unison.

Yet on that very page it states that the Community Awards is "unlike [the] other programs". One way it's unlike the others is that coding is not the focus, instead the focus is on "testers, helpers, hardware modders, contributing participants of brainstorms and so [on]". Tell me, how does a helper or hardware modder help reduce "missing apps"? They generally don't. They help other parts of the process, and build community, but they don't create missing apps.

The CA program has several differences from the other competitions, from not being app focused, to being for past work vs future promises, to Council voting vs a public vote or Nokia rep voting. The continued insistence that it has to have the same goals and requirements of the other program parts, given explicit statements to the contrary by those hosting it, is really depressing.

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dumpystig | # 187 | 2012-06-28, 18:56 | Report

F*ck me, this sh*t is still goin' on?????

Some of you guys are now embarrassing yourselves, it really is time to throw in the towel.

woody14619 | # 188 | 2012-06-28, 19:06 | Report

I think to some degree the screaming has stopped and there's actually some constructive discussion going on. Perhaps you should read a post or two. Sometimes threads change, once in a rare while even for the better.

e-yes | # 189 | 2012-06-28, 19:11 | Report

Let me remind you rules, quote from wiki:

Every time I visit TMO, I usually see NITDroid in the list of active topics. So, yeah... "It's not contribution".
You're funny in your attempts to shield dishonesty.

don_falcone | # 190 | 2012-06-28, 19:14 | Report

Tell this to Davie.